(10-19-2018 04:28 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  Allow me to remind the App and Georgia Southern fans that your history is bascially the world of FCS football. And while you were enjoying your time in the FCS sandbox, State and Louisana was fighting for their lives in the world of big time football known then as Division 1, later Division 1A and even later the FBS. At State, you will hear little if any discussion of our own D2/D1AA/FCS years. Your teams nor its fans had to endure the world of independent football which was our only path on the road to Division one football. We faced the worst schedules, best teams, most away games, the terrible travel schedules, conferences in far flung time zones, changing NCAA rules meant to exclude D1 newcomers, and much more. You have no idea the struggles, the endless issues of money, coaching, facilities, etc., etc., because you were handed your FBS status on a silver platter made possible in part by teams like State and ULL. While you want to crow about your FCS history, State and Louisana has a unique history of its own and it includes the trials and tribulations of small schools fighting to gain a toe hold in big time football. Those years have left their marks on the fanbase as well. We have fought hard to overcome every challenge placed before our schools and teams and why we refuse to accept anything less going forward.

Preach it brotha!

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(10-19-2018 12:41 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

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(10-18-2018 09:56 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  5
This thread is beyond weird now.

Welcome to AState Football 2018. Half of us weren't watching tonight. A small portion probably secretly hoped we'd lose, another small portion have the game on as background noise, and the last portion are at the game, likely because they have nothing else to do...

Second home game I've missed this year. I've gone decades without missing two home games total. I flipped channels for a bit and came back and volleyball was on, didn't even realize the game was that close to being over.

Don't enjoy watching this team at all.

No personal disrespect, but collectively Arkansas State has the worst fan base I've ever seen. I'm not going to pretend to understand the behavior. But in your history your team doesn't have a .500 record. Only 3 double digit win seasons and only 3 bowl wins. Its very silly that you guys are so apathetic when you are 4-3. This isn't based off reality, it's based off a false sense of level of at your fan base has talked itself into. If ark state wins out this regular season then this will be a top 5-6 in the history of your program. If you act this way now, I would hate to have seen you 94 of the last 100 seasons of your existence.

You truly have no idea what you are talking about.

I have watched a lot of **** football. 1 win seasons, 2 win seasons, 3 win seasons. I watched Va Tech fair catching punts with no one within 15 yards simply to avoid having even shorter field position and risking running one back.

I know bad football.

Through all of that, I bought my four tickets. I made my required donation for my seats PLUS extra.

I watched guys start who shouldn't have been on scholarship at an FCS but they worked their out-matched ass off.

I have literally watched AState play from sea to shining sea, Atlantic coast to Pacific and to the purple mountain majesty etc etc.

Since 2016 I have seen a school record for penalties in a game, I have watched the team be a national leader in turnovers multiple times.

I have listened to the jackhole coaching this team repeatedly throw players under the bus. It wasn't until his 22nd loss he uttered the words that HE needed to change something.

I have listened to him whine about who is a true fan and who isn't.

I listened to him talk about he had a team that could make the access bowl and take them to 7-5 in regular season. Me personally? I though he had a best case scenario 9-3 team that year. BEST CASE. I wasn't the one out selling snake oil.

I picked AState 8-4 this year. I'm not Phil Steele who thought AState might go 11-1. I'm not the coaches in this league who picked AState to win the league, because I didn't think we'd win the league and would be a close call to even win the division.

I sat at a function where he opened up the floor to questions and an older guy (ie. at least 15 years older than I was, and I was 50 at the time) asks if he had ever considered running the wildcat using our then tight end who had been a pretty good high school QB and sat there stunned as Anderson ripped the guy going right up the edge of calling him ******* stupid. Everyone in the room was embarrassed to see a fan just utterly shredded for a silly but understandable question.

I watched him be hateful and nasty to a university vice-president who had to take over running his recruiting slide show because he failed to bring a laptop with presentation loaded and blamed the people in Little Rock for not having the stuff he needed and had left in Jonesboro.

I'd say I'm pretty damn realistic but even though I EXPECTED an 8-4 season, my disgust isn't the record. It is that ever since Walt Bell packed up for Maryland (now Florida State) as offensive coordinator and his OL coach left (and replacement quit after a week) after the 2015 season I have watched a disorganized and often disinterested offense on the field.

I'm sick of penalties, and turnovers, and red zone Chinese fire drills. I'm sick of kickoff returners fair catching at the 10 and bringing it out from a yard deep. I'm sick of punt returners letting the ball hit and instead of getting away from the ball going to the ball where one funny bounce can give you a turnover. I'm sick of scoring TD's and kicking off from the ******* 20 yard line. I'm sick of the offense having no identity as they randomly cast about calling plays with no seeming plan of what that's leading to.

And screw your prick attitude with your booger eating snot licking comment that AState has only had six good seasons ever.

You don't know **** about me or my 48 years watching AState football. I had a string of 127 home games without missing one. I've by God earned my right to determine the way the program is being run is a disaster and choose to stay the hell home if I want.

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Jeez some of you APP posters are starting to remind me of Troy posters from a decade ago who thought their program was divinely entitled to greatness and somehow impervious to losing . . . lower level success doesn't mean jack **** at this level.

Sure does seem like it....thank God App came along and brought that eliteness to the lowly Sun Belt.

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And another thing . . . some of you APP guys pissing on A-State's historically "average" football program should know:

1. stAte won a College Division National Championship in 1970
2. stAte was undefeated 11-0 in its first year of D1 football - the highest level - in 1975.

Anyone else in this league ever have an undefeated season at the highest division of college football?

(10-19-2018 01:16 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  In all honesty, I feel like we all give too much stock in message board posters representing even a fraction of the overall fan base.

The row I am on is usually crowded. From the first game my grandsons have have had plenty of room to play. It's like that on a lot of rows. So I think that fraction you are talking about is pretty large.

(10-19-2018 07:20 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  And another thing . . . some of you APP guys pissing on A-State's historical "average" football program should know:

1. stAte won a College Division National Championship in 1970
2. stAte was undefeated 11-0 in its first year of D1 football - the highest level - in 1975.

Anyone else in this league ever had an undefeated season at the highest division of college football?

Little boy football...Lol. Some of you are never going to leave it are you.

(10-19-2018 05:39 PM)The Howling Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 04:28 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  Allow me to remind the App and Georgia Southern fans that your history is bascially the world of FCS football. And while you were enjoying your time in the FCS sandbox, State and Louisana was fighting for their lives in the world of big time football known then as Division 1, later Division 1A and even later the FBS. At State, you will hear little if any discussion of our own D2/D1AA/FCS years. Your teams nor its fans had to endure the world of independent football which was our only path on the road to Division one football. We faced the worst schedules, best teams, most away games, the terrible travel schedules, conferences in far flung time zones, changing NCAA rules meant to exclude D1 newcomers, and much more. You have no idea the struggles, the endless issues of money, coaching, facilities, etc., etc., because you were handed your FBS status on a silver platter made possible in part by teams like State and ULL. While you want to crow about your FCS history, State and Louisana has a unique history of its own and it includes the trials and tribulations of small schools fighting to gain a toe hold in big time football. Those years have left their marks on the fanbase as well. We have fought hard to overcome every challenge placed before our schools and teams and why we refuse to accept anything less going forward.

Preach it brotha!

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Lol...he is right you know.

How uncomfortable are we when you see stAte fans taking up the cause of the Cajuns? I like it better when we get to hate those guys.

Nah I'll never hate the Cajuns too much. They're too much like us. They piss me off sometimes but I get over it.

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(10-19-2018 04:28 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  Allow me to remind the App and Georgia Southern fans that your history is bascially the world of FCS football. And while you were enjoying your time in the FCS sandbox, State and Louisana was fighting for their lives in the world of big time football known then as Division 1, later Division 1A and even later the FBS. At State, you will hear little if any discussion of our own D2/D1AA/FCS years. Your teams nor its fans had to endure the world of independent football which was our only path on the road to Division one football. We faced the worst schedules, best teams, most away games, the terrible travel schedules, conferences in far flung time zones, changing NCAA rules meant to exclude D1 newcomers, and much more. You have no idea the struggles, the endless issues of money, coaching, facilities, etc., etc., because you were handed your FBS status on a silver platter made possible in part by teams like State and ULL. While you want to crow about your FCS history, State and Louisana has a unique history of its own and it includes the trials and tribulations of small schools fighting to gain a toe hold in big time football. Those years have left their marks on the fanbase as well. We have fought hard to overcome every challenge placed before our schools and teams and why we refuse to accept anything less going forward.

You guys might have left the developmental league (IAA) a decade or two too early...

I'm kidding (sort of).

. . lower level success doesn't mean jack **** at this level.

It doesn’t if you sucked at the lower level like you guys did.

(10-19-2018 09:23 PM)AppRolls Wrote:   . . lower level success doesn't mean jack **** at this level.

It doesn’t if you sucked at the lower level like you guys did.

Sure, everything that happened back then somehow affects now. That's why App and Eagles fans cant understand why a team like stAte cant just be happy being mediocre. We sucked in the past, so we should just be happy with Anderson ball now? Our fan base is delusional to expect more right? After all, no other Sun Belt team could ever hope to approach the heights and elite status App and the Eagles have achieved. Do you guys have a clue how you sound right now? Every single thread ends of with one of you two fan bases interjecting how great thou art.

By the way, Go Cajuns!

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(10-19-2018 07:20 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  And another thing . . . some of you APP guys pissing on A-State's historically "average" football program should know:

1. stAte won a College Division National Championship in 1970
2. stAte was undefeated 11-0 in its first year of D1 football - the highest level - in 1975.

Anyone else in this league ever have an undefeated season at the highest division of college football?

I respect what stAte has done in football and think APP still has the toughest portion of their schedule to work through before anyone crowns them Champs. With that being said in 1970 stAte won the AP College Division National Championship while Nebraska won the AP University Division National Championship so I don’t think it’s quite fair to call it the highest level when even then there was a perceived hierarchy of levels of play. Divisional realignment was still 3 years away and the formation of division 1-aa was still 8 years away when you went undefeated in 1970 but I don’t think teams you were playing really changed much in regards to quality of opponents. I’m not trying to take anything away from your accomplishments but instead add perspective and my own personal opinion that your Championship season and undefeated season are on par with current members national titles and undefeated seasons.

Since this is a college football fan board I am now going to toot my own horn and ask all of yous which team was the first team in modern football history (20th century - present) to go 15-0.

(10-19-2018 09:23 PM)AppRolls Wrote:   . . lower level success doesn't mean jack **** at this level.

It doesn’t if you sucked at the lower level like you guys did.

Thing is, AState stunk because we chose to move up when the NCAA decided to try and force teams to 1AA. We moved up despite the fact that many people did not want us to move up. We moved up despite the fact that the state legislature tried to keep us from moving up

We voluntarily chose to accept a bunch of 2 and 3 win seasons instead of competing for 1AA Championships, because we felt the door to the FBS level closing, and didn't know if we'd be able to get back if it slammed shut. Unfortunately, we did it at a time when it made zero financial sense for us to do so, and we suffered, but oh well. As a fan base, we'll never allow that to happen again, nor we'll we ever allow anyone to ever tell us we should be happy where we are. Because we're not ever going back to the way we were.

(10-20-2018 12:33 AM)StatesboroBluesman Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 07:20 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  And another thing . . . some of you APP guys pissing on A-State's historically "average" football program should know:

1. stAte won a College Division National Championship in 1970
2. stAte was undefeated 11-0 in its first year of D1 football - the highest level - in 1975.

Anyone else in this league ever have an undefeated season at the highest division of college football?

I respect what stAte has done in football and think APP still has the toughest portion of their schedule to work through before anyone crowns them Champs. With that being said in 1970 stAte won the AP College Division National Championship while Nebraska won the AP University Division National Championship so I don’t think it’s quite fair to call it the highest level when even then there was a perceived hierarchy of levels of play. Divisional realignment was still 3 years away and the formation of division 1-aa was still 8 years away when you went undefeated in 1970 but I don’t think teams you were playing really changed much in regards to quality of opponents. I’m not trying to take anything away from your accomplishments but instead add perspective and my own personal opinion that your Championship season and undefeated season are on par with current members national titles and undefeated seasons.

Since this is a college football fan board I am now going to toot my own horn and ask all of yous which team was the first team in modern football history (20th century - present) to go 15-0.

You should go back and carefully read what Winston posted because it seems that you may have missed a step. You talked about something he never said.

Be happy with what you have! You don't need to build new facilities. There is no reason you guys need a 12 million dollar athletic budget. You'll never get a good coach to come to ASU. Etc.
You guys sound exactly like the piglet fans and we have heard these same arguments for the last 50 years. Just look around and you'll notice that it didn't stop us. We are not done yet, even though we may be treading water with Anderson. We have a right to want change if we are unhappy with our product. We are paying for it.

And just for the record, if anybody else wants to call out Arkstatefan, please notify me.....I want to get some popcorn and watch.

(10-20-2018 02:40 AM)doberman1 Wrote:  And just for the record, if anybody else wants to call out Arkstatefan, please notify me.....I want to get some popcorn and watch.

Lol...it's really not fair is it?

Every athletics program took a little different route to FBS football and there's no question that playing as an Independent is a tough path. I'm also not one to question anyone's loyalty because they don't watch/attend a football game: there are other things in life and you can skip a game for whatever reason you want to.

However, to say that App was handed their FBS status on a silver platter is laughable. App spent decades building a winning program and the fan support that comes along with it on a shoestring budget. In the smallest of small markets at a time when conference realignment was very market focused, they needed every bit of that pedigree.

App had 63 scholarships just like their opponents. That success was earned, as was their opportunity to play at the FBS level and as the last few years have proven, they were prepared to take advantage of it.