(10-19-2018 12:55 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  Anyone else have a condescending remark to share?

What is this hang up with our success being recent? How is that even a factor in our displeasure? It has nothing to do with the vision the fans were sold by this athletic program. What they did sell has not been supplied. And when they've been questioned regarding the lack of product we've been told we're not real fans of the program. As Chiefsfan stated, these are not the casual fans who are speaking up. This is a real issue that affects the very core of the program's support.

(10-19-2018 01:19 PM)ChiefGSU275 Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 12:55 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  Anyone else have a condescending remark to share?

See, he gets it. +2 for you sir.

(10-19-2018 01:20 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 01:19 PM)ChiefGSU275 Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 12:55 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  Anyone else have a condescending remark to share?

See, he gets it. +2 for you sir.

Lol

(10-19-2018 01:14 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 01:07 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 12:55 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  Anyone else have a condescending remark to share?

How do you think people here would react if they knew how many of us are regular (and some pretty high level) donors to the Athletic Department?

If Arkfreakingstfan starts not going to games and running off on rants against the coaching staff, we have a major problem in Jonesboro. Guess what? We have a major problem in Jonesboro. And there may not be any way for Blake Anderson to salvage any of it.

Throughout the history of your program, has sustained success occurred? If not, it goes to show why your fan base is so finicky about the appearance of regression. App had a 4-8 season playing a full FCS schedule in their first transition year. Georgia Southern was terrible the past two seasons. Each of them bounced back because the support, while wavering, never left. The foundation for success was built and recruits see that history and understand it.

Even if Blake isn't the guy to take your program to the NY6 Bowl (i'm assuming that was what the fans expectations were based on your discontent with losing to two teams with top defenses in G5), at least he is laying the foundation of success that recruits can look to, see, and feel. Unlike a place like ULM or ULL where success has not been sustained, they often regress back to the mean. Selling out on the staff that is building that confidence isn't the way to go.

The only person around our athletic program who listed an access bowl as a potential goal is the head football coach.

You guys pretend that Anderson built some foundation for success here, but you fail to realize that he inherited a team that had won 3 straight conference titles. It's not as if he built the program

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(10-19-2018 01:16 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  In all honesty, I feel like we all give too much stock in message board posters representing even a fraction of the overall fan base.

The stands for the Tuesday and then Thursday game were a decent indication. Still feel like Saturday games on ESPN U or CBSS or something like that would be preferable to week night games. Teams like App, Georgia Southern, Troy, and Louisiana hold some intrigue on a national level.

(10-19-2018 01:20 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  What is this hang up with our success being recent? How is that even a factor in our displeasure? It has nothing to do with the vision the fans were sold by this athletic program. What they did sell has not been supplied. And when they've been questioned regarding the lack of product we've been told we're not real fans of the program. As Chiefsfan stated, these are not the casual fans who are speaking up. This is a real issue that affects the very core of the program's support.

And you don't have a foundation of success to stand on which is what Anderson is building. Program building takes time, especially for a program with no history of sustained success.

Arkansas State was receiving preseason top 25 votes and was picked to win the Sun Belt. This is supposedly the pinnacle of Blake Anderson football, and it's the fourth or so best team in the conference.

"BUT ARKY STATE IS NORMALLY REAL BAD YOU SHOULD BE THANKFUL FOR YOUR SUSTAINED MEDIOCRITY!" That's great, but there's a huge difference in investment and expectations for 2018 Arkansas State football compared to the 2000s or 90s. There's a lot more investment now than there was even in 2011 and 2012.

(10-19-2018 12:55 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  Anyone else have a condescending remark to share?

Nope, I'm done. But thanks.

(10-19-2018 01:20 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  What is this hang up with our success being recent? How is that even a factor in our displeasure? It has nothing to do with the vision the fans were sold by this athletic program. What they did sell has not been supplied. And when they've been questioned regarding the lack of product we've been told we're not real fans of the program. As Chiefsfan stated, these are not the casual fans who are speaking up. This is a real issue that affects the very core of the program's support.

Because the simple fact that your success is only recent shows that it's just a phase. No one outside of Jonesboro considers A state and elite program. Rather just on top of their game. Now if app or Georgia southern has a 9 or 10 win season, that would be considered normal. But your fans act like you guys have a program that always wins and now your not. But nothing could be farther from the truth. Even this season your team is performing better than they have 90% of the time through 7 games. You should be proud. Not so angry

(10-19-2018 02:05 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 01:20 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  What is this hang up with our success being recent? How is that even a factor in our displeasure? It has nothing to do with the vision the fans were sold by this athletic program. What they did sell has not been supplied. And when they've been questioned regarding the lack of product we've been told we're not real fans of the program. As Chiefsfan stated, these are not the casual fans who are speaking up. This is a real issue that affects the very core of the program's support.

Because the simple fact that your success is only recent shows that it's just a phase. No one outside of Jonesboro considers A state and elite program. Rather just on top of their game. Now if app or Georgia southern has a 9 or 10 win season, that would be considered normal. But your fans act like you guys have a program that always wins and now your not. But nothing could be farther from the truth. Even this season your team is performing better than they have 90% of the time through 7 games. You should be proud. Not so angry

So what you're really saying is that we've not earned the right to be unprepossessing asses like App and GS fans? OK, you got me there. You win.

(10-19-2018 02:05 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 01:20 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  What is this hang up with our success being recent? How is that even a factor in our displeasure? It has nothing to do with the vision the fans were sold by this athletic program. What they did sell has not been supplied. And when they've been questioned regarding the lack of product we've been told we're not real fans of the program. As Chiefsfan stated, these are not the casual fans who are speaking up. This is a real issue that affects the very core of the program's support.

Because the simple fact that your success is only recent shows that it's just a phase. No one outside of Jonesboro considers A state and elite program. Rather just on top of their game. Now if app or Georgia southern has a 9 or 10 win season, that would be considered normal. But your fans act like you guys have a program that always wins and now your not. But nothing could be farther from the truth. Even this season your team is performing better than they have 90% of the time through 7 games. You should be proud. Not so angry

Condescending pricks like you and eric are one of the reasons so many people hate App. I could give a flying f**k what you guys did before you were FBS. I care even less what football teams did before I was even born. That has no bearing whatsoever on the current state of a program. I would argue that the last 10 years of any program is all that should be used to measure a program and that is being generous. We have had 7 straight winning seasons, 7 straight bowl games, and 5 championships out of the last 7 years. How much does a season played in 1991 affect this team or the program? ZERO.

(10-19-2018 01:33 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 01:16 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  In all honesty, I feel like we all give too much stock in message board posters representing even a fraction of the overall fan base.

The stands for the Tuesday and then Thursday game were a decent indication. Still feel like Saturday games on ESPN U or CBSS or something like that would be preferable to week night games. Teams like App, Georgia Southern, Troy, and Louisiana hold some intrigue on a national level.

So I guess you'll be at the game tomorrow?

Coming back to this thread after last night.

They started it. (points to everyone else in the room)

(10-19-2018 02:38 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Coming back to this thread after last night.

It got App Southerned.

I think Blake Anderson definitely isn't in the top tier of coaches like Neal Brown and Scott Satterfield.

I also think some Ark State fans need to realize that in the past several years we've seen the resurgence of the most dominant SBC team of the '00s and have two fifth-year SBC teams that have the talent to go toe-to-toe with them (one of those teams has a once-in-a-generation head coach and is on a roll). 2011-2013 that wasn't the case.

If Ark State fired Anderson I wouldn't blame them, but IMO you've got to make sure you've got a safe hire waiting in the wings.

Allow me to remind the App and Georgia Southern fans that your history is bascially the world of FCS football. And while you were enjoying your time in the FCS sandbox, State and Louisana was fighting for their lives in the world of big time football known then as Division 1, later Division 1A and even later the FBS. At State, you will hear little if any discussion of our own D2/D1AA/FCS years. Your teams nor its fans had to endure the world of independent football which was our only path on the road to Division one football. We faced the worst schedules, best teams, most away games, the terrible travel schedules, conferences in far flung time zones, changing NCAA rules meant to exclude D1 newcomers, and much more. You have no idea the struggles, the endless issues of money, coaching, facilities, etc., etc., because you were handed your FBS status on a silver platter made possible in part by teams like State and ULL. While you want to crow about your FCS history, State and Louisana has a unique history of its own and it includes the trials and tribulations of small schools fighting to gain a toe hold in big time football. Those years have left their marks on the fanbase as well. We have fought hard to overcome every challenge placed before our schools and teams and why we refuse to accept anything less going forward.

Day-um.

(10-19-2018 04:28 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  Allow me to remind the App and Georgia Southern fans that your history is bascially the world of FCS football. And while you were enjoying your time in the FCS sandbox, State and Louisana was fighting for their lives in the world of big time football known then as Division 1, later Division 1A and even later the FBS. At State, you will hear little if any discussion of our own D2/D1AA/FCS years. Your teams nor its fans had to endure the world of independent football which was our only path on the road to Division one football. We faced the worst schedules, best teams, most away games, the terrible travel schedules, conferences in far flung time zones, changing NCAA rules meant to exclude D1 newcomers, and much more. You have no idea the struggles, the endless issues of money, coaching, facilities, etc., etc., because you were handed your FBS status on a silver platter made possible in part by teams like State and ULL. While you want to crow about your FCS history, State and Louisana has a unique history of its own and it includes the trials and tribulations of small schools fighting to gain a toe hold in big time football. Those years have left their marks on the fanbase as well. We have fought hard to overcome every challenge placed before our schools and teams and why we refuse to accept anything less going forward.

I agree with your premise. And some may not share my opinion, but I don't believe the sun belt is a big difference from fcs. I like being in the more, but as app, southern and Coastal have shown. The transition is easy. Many app folks disagree with me but I don't think this app team is a top 5 team in app history. I just think we are really good, but what you do in the sun belt isn't much different than fcs. North Dakota State, James madison and Montana may very well run through this conference like app state has (29-5 since joining). So I don't believe that is relevant to winning. When ark state was in fcs they did not have the pedigree of app and southern.