(03-17-2019 03:41 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(03-17-2019 10:19 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(03-16-2019 11:43 PM)debragga Wrote:  

(03-16-2019 09:01 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  Monroe, Louisiana. What a large media market.

#137 out of 210 to be exact https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...on_markets

And sharing that market with Louisiana Tech. This is the biggest stumbling block, in my opinion, to these C-USA and Sunbelt merger threads.

I keep saying its not the stumbling block, others make it out to be. If every other school was in agreement, this La tech/ ULM thing would not stop that train. they are an easy excuse, because la tech is openly verbal about it.

Since this is just a message board let's just go ahead and merge LaTech and ULM.

(03-18-2019 08:35 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(03-17-2019 03:41 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(03-17-2019 10:19 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(03-16-2019 11:43 PM)debragga Wrote:  

(03-16-2019 09:01 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  Monroe, Louisiana. What a large media market.

#137 out of 210 to be exact https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...on_markets

And sharing that market with Louisiana Tech. This is the biggest stumbling block, in my opinion, to these C-USA and Sunbelt merger threads.

I keep saying its not the stumbling block, others make it out to be. If every other school was in agreement, this La tech/ ULM thing would not stop that train. they are an easy excuse, because la tech is openly verbal about it.

Since this is just a message board let's just go ahead and merge LaTech and ULM.

Let’s not

(03-16-2019 03:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-16-2019 03:14 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  But a conference is not a brain leading the body (schools). The Schools are in charge of the conference and vote their say and they wouldn't just look at a few recent years of certain sports and change the entire path of the conference.

The question would be if McNeese State stayed 1A independent instead of dropping down? Which school would the SBC pick? McNeese State or La.-Monroe? McNeese State have gone to bowl games in the 1970s and early 1980s.

ULM has been to bowls way more recently than McNeese.

(03-17-2019 10:19 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(03-16-2019 11:43 PM)debragga Wrote:  

(03-16-2019 09:01 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  Monroe, Louisiana. What a large media market.

#137 out of 210 to be exact https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...on_markets

And sharing that market with Louisiana Tech. This is the biggest stumbling block, in my opinion, to these C-USA and Sunbelt merger threads.

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner here. That is why La.-Monroe would not get invited into the same conference with La. Tech. If both schools play at the same time on the same day and both on tv at the same time? It would steal viewers away from both teams. Just like Texas State would not get in with UTSA because of their close proximity. UTEP would have the same issues with New Mexico State. South Alabama and Troy do kinda share the same market as well.

Quote:South Alabama and Troy do kinda share the same market as well.

Their proximity has increased their rivalry. Troy/USA battle of the belt brings in a massive crowd (ticket sales) and that's what is more important than distance between schools (far or close)

(03-18-2019 03:31 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-17-2019 10:19 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(03-16-2019 11:43 PM)debragga Wrote:  

(03-16-2019 09:01 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  Monroe, Louisiana. What a large media market.

#137 out of 210 to be exact https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...on_markets

And sharing that market with Louisiana Tech. This is the biggest stumbling block, in my opinion, to these C-USA and Sunbelt merger threads.

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner here. That is why La.-Monroe would not get invited into the same conference with La. Tech. If both schools play at the same time on the same day and both on tv at the same time? It would steal viewers away from both teams. Just like Texas State would not get in with UTSA because of their close proximity. UTEP would have the same issues with New Mexico State. South Alabama and Troy do kinda share the same market as well.

Neither team plays on local TV stations so it doesn’t matter anyway, unless you’re talking about local population numbers but there’s not much overlap between people going to games at either school

According to this article many C-USA schools are against conference realignment. But ODU, Charlotte, Middle Tennessee, WKU and Marshall are all against playing the conference tournament in Texas. 4 of the top teams in C-USA have to travel over 1000 miles to the conference tournament and C-USA expects those fans to do the same.

C-USA is a joke and ODU, Charlotte, Middle Tennessee, WKU and Marshall need to break away and try to form something new.

(03-20-2019 07:46 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

According to this article many C-USA schools are against conference realignment. But ODU, Charlotte, Middle Tennessee, WKU and Marshall are all against playing the conference tournament in Texas. 4 of the top teams in C-USA have to travel over 1000 miles to the conference tournament and C-USA expects those fans to do the same.

C-USA is a joke and ODU, Charlotte, Middle Tennessee, WKU and Marshall need to break away and try to form something new.

Here's the thing. The conference tournament location always comes down to
1. How many dollars can it add to my bottom line?
2. How much does it cost me in time and money to go there?

If CUSA were considering two nearly identical bids, one from Texas and one from someplace in the eastern division, all things being equal, the eastern location is getting selected because the 7 eastern division teams and UAB and maybe USM are all going to vote for the eastern location.

Since the big expansion CUSA's tournament spent one year in El Paso, three in Birmingham and is contracted for four years in Frisco.

Now if CUSA East plus App State, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Coastal Carolina and UAB were doing their own thing, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be in Texas but as long as CUSA is in its current form, a city in Texas choosing to submit the best bid is always going to be out there as a possibility.

(03-20-2019 08:11 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 07:46 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

According to this article many C-USA schools are against conference realignment. But ODU, Charlotte, Middle Tennessee, WKU and Marshall are all against playing the conference tournament in Texas. 4 of the top teams in C-USA have to travel over 1000 miles to the conference tournament and C-USA expects those fans to do the same.

C-USA is a joke and ODU, Charlotte, Middle Tennessee, WKU and Marshall need to break away and try to form something new.

Here's the thing. The conference tournament location always comes down to
1. How many dollars can it add to my bottom line?
2. How much does it cost me in time and money to go there?

If CUSA were considering two nearly identical bids, one from Texas and one from someplace in the eastern division, all things being equal, the eastern location is getting selected because the 7 eastern division teams and UAB and maybe USM are all going to vote for the eastern location.

Since the big expansion CUSA's tournament spent one year in El Paso, three in Birmingham and is contracted for four years in Frisco.

Now if CUSA East plus App State, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Coastal Carolina and UAB were doing their own thing, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be in Texas but as long as CUSA is in its current form, a city in Texas choosing to submit the best bid is always going to be out there as a possibility.

I'm just wondering where the CFP distribution and NCAA Tourney credits are coming from for this new conference?

(03-20-2019 08:25 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 08:11 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 07:46 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

According to this article many C-USA schools are against conference realignment. But ODU, Charlotte, Middle Tennessee, WKU and Marshall are all against playing the conference tournament in Texas. 4 of the top teams in C-USA have to travel over 1000 miles to the conference tournament and C-USA expects those fans to do the same.

C-USA is a joke and ODU, Charlotte, Middle Tennessee, WKU and Marshall need to break away and try to form something new.

Here's the thing. The conference tournament location always comes down to
1. How many dollars can it add to my bottom line?
2. How much does it cost me in time and money to go there?

If CUSA were considering two nearly identical bids, one from Texas and one from someplace in the eastern division, all things being equal, the eastern location is getting selected because the 7 eastern division teams and UAB and maybe USM are all going to vote for the eastern location.

Since the big expansion CUSA's tournament spent one year in El Paso, three in Birmingham and is contracted for four years in Frisco.

Now if CUSA East plus App State, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Coastal Carolina and UAB were doing their own thing, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be in Texas but as long as CUSA is in its current form, a city in Texas choosing to submit the best bid is always going to be out there as a possibility.

I'm just wondering where the CFP distribution and NCAA Tourney credits are coming from for this new conference?

No where. That's why none of the "whole conference" realignment will actually happen.

(03-20-2019 08:25 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 08:11 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 07:46 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

According to this article many C-USA schools are against conference realignment. But ODU, Charlotte, Middle Tennessee, WKU and Marshall are all against playing the conference tournament in Texas. 4 of the top teams in C-USA have to travel over 1000 miles to the conference tournament and C-USA expects those fans to do the same.

C-USA is a joke and ODU, Charlotte, Middle Tennessee, WKU and Marshall need to break away and try to form something new.

Here's the thing. The conference tournament location always comes down to
1. How many dollars can it add to my bottom line?
2. How much does it cost me in time and money to go there?

If CUSA were considering two nearly identical bids, one from Texas and one from someplace in the eastern division, all things being equal, the eastern location is getting selected because the 7 eastern division teams and UAB and maybe USM are all going to vote for the eastern location.

Since the big expansion CUSA's tournament spent one year in El Paso, three in Birmingham and is contracted for four years in Frisco.

Now if CUSA East plus App State, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Coastal Carolina and UAB were doing their own thing, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be in Texas but as long as CUSA is in its current form, a city in Texas choosing to submit the best bid is always going to be out there as a possibility.

I'm just wondering where the CFP distribution and NCAA Tourney credits are coming from for this new conference?

They ain't unless you can get CUSA to take enough of the Sun Belt leagues to kill it and claim to actually be the Sun Belt for contract purposes.

Not really my problem. I'm not posting complaints about my school having to travel 1000 miles to go to the conference basketball tournament.

(03-20-2019 08:11 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 07:46 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

According to this article many C-USA schools are against conference realignment. But ODU, Charlotte, Middle Tennessee, WKU and Marshall are all against playing the conference tournament in Texas. 4 of the top teams in C-USA have to travel over 1000 miles to the conference tournament and C-USA expects those fans to do the same.

C-USA is a joke and ODU, Charlotte, Middle Tennessee, WKU and Marshall need to break away and try to form something new.

Here's the thing. The conference tournament location always comes down to
1. How many dollars can it add to my bottom line?
2. How much does it cost me in time and money to go there?

If CUSA were considering two nearly identical bids, one from Texas and one from someplace in the eastern division, all things being equal, the eastern location is getting selected because the 7 eastern division teams and UAB and maybe USM are all going to vote for the eastern location.

Since the big expansion CUSA's tournament spent one year in El Paso, three in Birmingham and is contracted for four years in Frisco.

Now if CUSA East plus App State, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Coastal Carolina and UAB were doing their own thing, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be in Texas but as long as CUSA is in its current form, a city in Texas choosing to submit the best bid is always going to be out there as a possibility.

The problem is CUSA for some reason requires two courts to host. That severely limits the cities able to bid. We've taken this obsession to the point where we've hung a curtain in an indoor football practice facility. It's bush league. If we produced a tournament that looks decent on TV, who knows maybe we'd get more media money to air it. ODU alone averages about as many fans as the 4 closest schools to Frisco combined. WKU and Marshall aren't far behind us. We could easily sell more tickets at a tournament in the east. I'm ready to mess with Texas.

(03-20-2019 08:51 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 08:11 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 07:46 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

According to this article many C-USA schools are against conference realignment. But ODU, Charlotte, Middle Tennessee, WKU and Marshall are all against playing the conference tournament in Texas. 4 of the top teams in C-USA have to travel over 1000 miles to the conference tournament and C-USA expects those fans to do the same.

C-USA is a joke and ODU, Charlotte, Middle Tennessee, WKU and Marshall need to break away and try to form something new.

Here's the thing. The conference tournament location always comes down to
1. How many dollars can it add to my bottom line?
2. How much does it cost me in time and money to go there?

If CUSA were considering two nearly identical bids, one from Texas and one from someplace in the eastern division, all things being equal, the eastern location is getting selected because the 7 eastern division teams and UAB and maybe USM are all going to vote for the eastern location.

Since the big expansion CUSA's tournament spent one year in El Paso, three in Birmingham and is contracted for four years in Frisco.

Now if CUSA East plus App State, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Coastal Carolina and UAB were doing their own thing, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be in Texas but as long as CUSA is in its current form, a city in Texas choosing to submit the best bid is always going to be out there as a possibility.

The problem is CUSA for some reason requires two courts to host. That severely limits the cities able to bid. We've taken this obsession to the point where we've hung a curtain in an indoor football practice facility. It's bush league. If we produced a tournament that looks decent on TV, who knows maybe we'd get more media money to air it. ODU alone averages about as many fans as the 4 closest schools to Frisco combined. WKU and Marshall aren't far behind us. We could easily sell more tickets at a tournament in the east. I'm ready to mess with Texas.

Title IX my friend! Embrace the equality!

Title IX isn't requiring the conference to host both Men's and Women's at the same location with a curtain in between.

(03-20-2019 09:06 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Title IX isn't requiring the conference to host both Men's and Women's at the same location with a curtain in between.

No, but I'm sure it plays a factor in the justification for doing so.

The Sun Belt has the men’s and women’s tournaments at the same place and we only need 1 gym, why does CUSA need 2?

(03-20-2019 09:13 AM)debragga Wrote:  The Sun Belt has the men’s and women’s tournaments at the same place and we only need 1 gym, why does CUSA need 2?

Because we're twice as important, obviously.

(03-20-2019 09:13 AM)debragga Wrote:  The Sun Belt has the men’s and women’s tournaments at the same place and we only need 1 gym, why does CUSA need 2?

Because game times could be seen as discriminatory against the wymen.

(03-20-2019 09:18 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 09:13 AM)debragga Wrote:  The Sun Belt has the men’s and women’s tournaments at the same place and we only need 1 gym, why does CUSA need 2?

Because we're twice as important, obviously.

Hence the curtain. Might as well role our volleyball tournament into it as well, plenty of floor space left. It could be a one stop winter sports championship destination.