I still have my money on a compromised verdict.

(08-06-2018 07:26 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  A man who committed the exact crimes the man he's testifying against did so said stool pigeon can avoid the same 320 year sentence, yes he's 100% credible, Manafort knew? Sounds like hearsay to me.

Also, this report (CNN of course) falsely relates the accountants' testimony. She never said Manafort told her to falsify numbers. She said she suspected it was false. And as I recall, Gates told her to do that on Manafort's return.

Cnn is such fake crap

Here is the amazing part:

After jurors were dismissed Monday in the Paul Manafort trial Monday, the federal judge overseeing the case and prosecutors trying the former Trump campaign chairman got into an extended verbal debate -- lasting about 10 minutes -- over the merits of the prosecution, the length of the case and even the eye contact of prosecutor Greg Andres.

U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III specifically pushed Andres on why the prosecution was moving slowly with Rick Gates – the former Manafort business partner who testified on Monday – and specifically to describe the link between wealthy Ukrainian politicos and Manafort. Ellis argued that the connection was not the basis of the case.

“What matters are the allegations that he made money from them and didn’t report it,” Ellis said. “You don't need to throw mud at these people.”

The most heated moment of the debate, however, took place when Ellis got perturbed by Andres not looking up at him while speaking.

“Look at me! Don’t look down,” Ellis demanded.

Then, when Andres responded that he was looking at a relevant document, the exchange grew testier.

“You looked down as if to say ‘that’s B.S.!’” Ellis said. “I’m up here!”





http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/...-spat.html

Ellis reminds me of an attorney in a case I was on a jury on. Judge estimated it would take 3 days. It took 3 weeks. In large part because of a smug attorney who kept pushing an irrelevant point. I kept wanted to shout at him. I GAVE YOU THAT POINT ON THE FIRST DAY! AND ITS IRRELEVANT!!!

Juries are smarter than attorneys like him give them credit for. They read the instructions.

(08-06-2018 06:47 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-06-2018 06:34 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(08-06-2018 06:28 PM)shere khan Wrote:  A guy who embezzled moneynfrom manafort says he is guilty. What a clown show.

Gotta do better than that.

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Well usually those that cooperate are guilty of crimes also.

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People will lie to cut a deal

True but if its caught the original charges are brought back.

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I predict a hung jury.

(08-06-2018 11:22 PM)Claw Wrote:  I predict a hung jury.

Well that’ll be $30,000,000 well spent.....

(08-06-2018 10:56 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(08-06-2018 06:47 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-06-2018 06:34 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(08-06-2018 06:28 PM)shere khan Wrote:  A guy who embezzled moneynfrom manafort says he is guilty. What a clown show.

Gotta do better than that.

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Well usually those that cooperate are guilty of crimes also.

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People will lie to cut a deal

True but if its caught the original charges are brought back.

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Not when it's the prosecution that is cool with your lies.

If any Trumpers are on the jury similiar to this place it’s inevitable. Facts be damned they have a Presidency to protect and judges to appoint.

Ends justify the means. Amirite!!!

(08-06-2018 11:30 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  If any Trumpers are on the jury similiar to this place it’s inevitable. Facts be damned they have a Presidency to protect and judges to appoint.

Hard to imagine how any result in this trial will affect a presidency.

(08-06-2018 11:30 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  If any Trumpers are on the jury similiar to this place it’s inevitable. Facts be damned they have a Presidency to protect and judges to appoint.

CYA.....
Mach is right even when he’s wrong. In his world anyway.....

(08-06-2018 11:27 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-06-2018 11:22 PM)Claw Wrote:  I predict a hung jury.

Well that’ll be $30,000,000 well spent.....

hes just getting started. If your side 'got to' a juror, then we will just retry and continue with the big trial in September. Id be quite surprised with an acquittal. This is just the appetizer.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/201...nt-be.html

(08-06-2018 11:39 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-06-2018 11:27 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-06-2018 11:22 PM)Claw Wrote:  I predict a hung jury.

Well that’ll be $30,000,000 well spent.....

hes just getting started. If your side 'got to' a juror, then we will just retry and continue. Id be quite surprised with an acquittal.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/201...nt-be.html

Like an expectant child the morning of December 25th when the pony isn’t in the yard. You chance a great disappointment.

(08-06-2018 06:34 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-06-2018 06:28 PM)shere khan Wrote:  A guy who embezzled moneynfrom manafort says he is guilty. What a clown show.

Gotta do better than that.

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oh, they have.

may Manafort is going down.

And who cares?

Likely Manaforts wife and some kids (assuming he has any), But who else out here really cares?

I honestly don't care if the entire thing goes down in flames, so long as the welcome policies are on their way.

President Pence?

Welcome to your perch.

(08-06-2018 11:39 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-06-2018 11:27 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-06-2018 11:22 PM)Claw Wrote:  I predict a hung jury.

Well that’ll be $30,000,000 well spent.....

hes just getting started. If your side 'got to' a juror, then we will just retry and continue with the big trial in September. Id be quite surprised with an acquittal. This is just the appetizer.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/201...nt-be.html

Fairytale lol. Wishful thinking. Thr new yorker
Bwahahaha

(08-06-2018 08:49 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I still have my money on a compromised verdict.

So, what does that mean?
Honest question.

(08-07-2018 12:27 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-06-2018 08:49 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I still have my money on a compromised verdict.

So, what does that mean?
Honest question.

Compromise Verdict
A verdict that is reached after some jurors give up their views on certain issues to avoid a deadlock. Typically, one set of jurors sides with a second in exchange for the second group agreeing on something else with the first. The specific compromise may involve questions of liability or guilt, or such issues as the proper monetary award or criminal penalty.

I googled.

Here is Mueller with Viktor Yanukovych in 2013. Hmmmmm interesting

Go and read my NY Mag article about Russia grooming Trump as an asset sinc 1987. Helsinki wasn’t a meeting between two world leaders it was an asset meeting his handler. What is so incredibly sad about this. People in his cabinet warned him not to have a meeting with Putin. Remember Trump announcing a Putin state visit? That fell like a wet turd, but you guys have elections to win and without this could you?