(09-19-2018 10:25 PM)Rocco Wrote:  It takes toxic amounts of Kool-Aid to think Tomlin's coming back to W&M.

My hunch is that Jimmye’s successor will be a young, ambitious, winner from D-2 who is anxious for a HC spot. Imagine Wm and Mary can go to 300k. Someone will bite at that.

(09-21-2018 05:21 PM)SoCal Frank Wrote:  My hunch is that Jimmye’s successor will be a young, ambitious, winner from D-2 who is anxious for a HC spot. Imagine Wm and Mary can go to 300k. Someone will bite at that.

If the hire were from D-2 then we wouldn't need to go anywhere near $300K. Probably just $100K would be a nice raise for them.

(09-21-2018 06:18 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 05:21 PM)SoCal Frank Wrote:  My hunch is that Jimmye’s successor will be a young, ambitious, winner from D-2 who is anxious for a HC spot. Imagine Wm and Mary can go to 300k. Someone will bite at that.

If the hire were from D-2 then we wouldn't need to go anywhere near $300K. Probably just $100K would be a nice raise for them.

We aren’t going to have a football coach that makes $100,000. Please.

On a different note but same topic. I guess his retirement means that end of Nike and thusly the Colonial All Pro Football Camp? If so a bummer on multiple levels.

(09-21-2018 09:08 PM)Tribe3455 Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 06:18 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 05:21 PM)SoCal Frank Wrote:  My hunch is that Jimmye’s successor will be a young, ambitious, winner from D-2 who is anxious for a HC spot. Imagine Wm and Mary can go to 300k. Someone will bite at that.

If the hire were from D-2 then we wouldn't need to go anywhere near $300K. Probably just $100K would be a nice raise for them.

We aren’t going to have a football coach that makes $100,000. Please.

Exactly my point. Therefore, we won't be hiring our next coach from the D-2 level. No D-2 coach can command $300K.

(09-21-2018 09:39 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 09:08 PM)Tribe3455 Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 06:18 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 05:21 PM)SoCal Frank Wrote:  My hunch is that Jimmye’s successor will be a young, ambitious, winner from D-2 who is anxious for a HC spot. Imagine Wm and Mary can go to 300k. Someone will bite at that.

If the hire were from D-2 then we wouldn't need to go anywhere near $300K. Probably just $100K would be a nice raise for them.

We aren’t going to have a football coach that makes $100,000. Please.

Exactly my point. Therefore, we won't be hiring our next coach from the D-2 level. No D-2 coach can command $300K.

Curious what Elon pays Cignetti. He came from a D2 school.

(09-21-2018 09:47 PM)Touchdown Green and Gold Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 09:39 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 09:08 PM)Tribe3455 Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 06:18 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 05:21 PM)SoCal Frank Wrote:  My hunch is that Jimmye’s successor will be a young, ambitious, winner from D-2 who is anxious for a HC spot. Imagine Wm and Mary can go to 300k. Someone will bite at that.

If the hire were from D-2 then we wouldn't need to go anywhere near $300K. Probably just $100K would be a nice raise for them.

We aren’t going to have a football coach that makes $100,000. Please.

Exactly my point. Therefore, we won't be hiring our next coach from the D-2 level. No D-2 coach can command $300K.

Curious what Elon pays Cignetti. He came from a D2 school.

Exactly. He was making around $250,000 at Alabama before taking the IUP job.

In 2011 he was making $120,000 there. Assuming he was making around $150,000 at IUP before leaving.

(09-21-2018 10:53 PM)Tribe3455 Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 09:47 PM)Touchdown Green and Gold Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 09:39 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 09:08 PM)Tribe3455 Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 06:18 PM)Zorch Wrote:  If the hire were from D-2 then we wouldn't need to go anywhere near $300K. Probably just $100K would be a nice raise for them.

We aren’t going to have a football coach that makes $100,000. Please.

Exactly my point. Therefore, we won't be hiring our next coach from the D-2 level. No D-2 coach can command $300K.

Curious what Elon pays Cignetti. He came from a D2 school.

Exactly. He was making around $250,000 at Alabama before taking the IUP job.

In 2011 he was making $120,000 there. Assuming he was making around $150,000 at IUP before leaving.

Hard to believe he was making $150K at Indiana University of Pennsylvania -- a Division 2 school and never a power (at least not way back when I used to pay attention to such things (back when the Pittsburg State Gorillas were good)). Also vaguely recall that Cignetti has ties to Elon and I believe he said that it was the only school that he would go to. I certainly doubt that he made $300K his first year there. I assume that he has earned some nice raises in the intervening years since. Also doubt that there are very many Cignettis still out there in Div-2 (and if there were, would they be interested in W&M?). I'm all good with hiring an up-and-comer but I think a head coach in FCS or a top assistant in FBS is the way to go. Last time, we hired a young up-and-coming top assistant and that worked out pretty well for us.

(09-22-2018 01:37 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 10:53 PM)Tribe3455 Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 09:47 PM)Touchdown Green and Gold Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 09:39 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 09:08 PM)Tribe3455 Wrote:  We aren’t going to have a football coach that makes $100,000. Please.

Exactly my point. Therefore, we won't be hiring our next coach from the D-2 level. No D-2 coach can command $300K.

Curious what Elon pays Cignetti. He came from a D2 school.

Exactly. He was making around $250,000 at Alabama before taking the IUP job.

In 2011 he was making $120,000 there. Assuming he was making around $150,000 at IUP before leaving.

Hard to believe he was making $150K at Indiana University of Pennsylvania -- a Division 2 school and never a power (at least not way back when I used to pay attention to such things (back when the Pittsburg State Gorillas were good)). Also vaguely recall that Cignetti has ties to Elon and I believe he said that it was the only school that he would go to. I certainly doubt that he made $300K his first year there. I assume that he has earned some nice raises in the intervening years since. Also doubt that there are very many Cignettis still out there in Div-2 (and if there were, would they be interested in W&M?). I'm all good with hiring an up-and-comer but I think a head coach in FCS or a top assistant in FBS is the way to go. Last time, we hired a young up-and-coming top assistant and that worked out pretty well for us.

This is only year 2 for him at Elon.

(09-22-2018 01:37 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 10:53 PM)Tribe3455 Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 09:47 PM)Touchdown Green and Gold Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 09:39 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 09:08 PM)Tribe3455 Wrote:  We aren’t going to have a football coach that makes $100,000. Please.

Exactly my point. Therefore, we won't be hiring our next coach from the D-2 level. No D-2 coach can command $300K.

Curious what Elon pays Cignetti. He came from a D2 school.

Exactly. He was making around $250,000 at Alabama before taking the IUP job.

In 2011 he was making $120,000 there. Assuming he was making around $150,000 at IUP before leaving.

Hard to believe he was making $150K at Indiana University of Pennsylvania -- a Division 2 school and never a power (at least not way back when I used to pay attention to such things (back when the Pittsburg State Gorillas were good)).

IUP has been a power for a long time. All the way back to the 60s when they played Delaware in the Boardwalk Bowl. Currently ranked #3 in Div. II.

All-Time Record: 560-267-23 (.672)
PSAC West Championships (21*): 1964-1965, 1984-87, 1990-94, 1996, 2000-04, 2006, 2012, 2015, 2017
IUP shared division title in 1996, 2000, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2012, 2015
PSAC "State Game" Appearances (7): 1964-65, 1985-87, 2012, 2017
PSAC "State Game" Championships (4): 1986-87, 2012, 2017
NCAA Playoff Appearances (18): 1987-91, 1993-94, 1996, 1998-2002, 2007, 2012, 2015-17
NCAA National Semifinal Appearances (7): 1989-91, 1993-94, 1999, 2017
NCAA Championship Game Appearances (2): 1990, 1993

(09-22-2018 04:34 AM)Tribe4SF Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 01:37 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 10:53 PM)Tribe3455 Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 09:47 PM)Touchdown Green and Gold Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 09:39 PM)Zorch Wrote:  Exactly my point. Therefore, we won't be hiring our next coach from the D-2 level. No D-2 coach can command $300K.

Curious what Elon pays Cignetti. He came from a D2 school.

Exactly. He was making around $250,000 at Alabama before taking the IUP job.

In 2011 he was making $120,000 there. Assuming he was making around $150,000 at IUP before leaving.

Hard to believe he was making $150K at Indiana University of Pennsylvania -- a Division 2 school and never a power (at least not way back when I used to pay attention to such things (back when the Pittsburg State Gorillas were good)).

IUP has been a power for a long time. All the way back to the 60s when they played Delaware in the Boardwalk Bowl. Currently ranked #3 in Div. II.

All-Time Record: 560-267-23 (.672)
PSAC West Championships (21*): 1964-1965, 1984-87, 1990-94, 1996, 2000-04, 2006, 2012, 2015, 2017
IUP shared division title in 1996, 2000, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2012, 2015
PSAC "State Game" Appearances (7): 1964-65, 1985-87, 2012, 2017
PSAC "State Game" Championships (4): 1986-87, 2012, 2017
NCAA Playoff Appearances (18): 1987-91, 1993-94, 1996, 1998-2002, 2007, 2012, 2015-17
NCAA National Semifinal Appearances (7): 1989-91, 1993-94, 1999, 2017
NCAA Championship Game Appearances (2): 1990, 1993

Yeah, but other than that, they've never been a power.

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(09-22-2018 04:34 AM)Tribe4SF Wrote:  IUP has been a power for a long time. All the way back to the 60s when they played Delaware in the Boardwalk Bowl. Currently ranked #3 in Div. II.

All-Time Record: 560-267-23 (.672)
NCAA Playoff Appearances (18): 1987-91, 1993-94, 1996, 1998-2002, 2007, 2012, 2015-17
NCAA National Semifinal Appearances (7): 1989-91, 1993-94, 1999, 2017
NCAA Championship Game Appearances (2): 1990, 1993

Yes, generally impressive --- but I would not call them a "power". No national titles, last championship game appearance back in 1993. Only the one playoff appearance in the years 2003-2011. I assume that their recent prominence in 2015-2016 (and maybe 2012) was under Cignetti. They looked like they were on the way to being a power between 1989-1994 but then something happened (probably lost a coach).

When I talk of a "power" program I think of Mount Union or Wisconsin-Whitewater in Div-3 or, even earlier from the '80s, Augustana of Illinois (where Kenny Anderson came from). Multiple national championships; sustained excellence. North Dakota State certainly qualifies.

So, did not mean to disparage IUP but I stick with my statement that they were not a "power".

At last chk Coach Jimmye’s ~$275 with assistants in the mid 60’s at best doesn’t look all that attractive. In the job market, to attract an up n comer
I don’t think these numbers will fly. This search will be another marker that will provide a clue to the overall path of the program.

(09-22-2018 10:24 AM)SoCal Frank Wrote:  At last chk Coach Jimmye’s ~$275 with assistants in the mid 60’s at best doesn’t look all that attractive. In the job market, to attract an up n comer
I don’t think these numbers will fly. This search will be another marker that will provide a clue to the overall path of the program.

For sure, esp. given new leadership at AD & Prez.

On the other hand, maybe someone in their 40s who wants to move his family to one of the best places to live in the country will think it's a good value. This has happened across many sports for many years.

Like I said before, Cignetti took over a 50% pay cut to be a head coach. People do that. But paying for good assistants matters at least as much.

I'm sorry - my mouth is still on the ground that we have top assistants making $60K.

The younger guys, sure. Particularly if they can pick up an MBA in the process.

But for our coordinators? I mean ... no wonder Shoop and Boone left. Absent a surgeon spouse or a large inheritance, they would have been irresponsible adults not to leave. Those salary numbers explain quite a bit. D1 lacrosse assistants at the Ivy Leagues make that much.

I don't expect us to pay our coordinators $250K or more. UVA's $550,000 salary for that brain-dead lout Robert Anae is a criminal waste of money.

But if our folks are working 16 hour days in their mid to late 30s for that kind of money after 15-20 years in the business ... going to be hard to attract really good people. I certainly would not put in that time for that money with the job security risks that go along with it.

I dunno. Solderich has been there since about 1995. He will retire with a state pension that pays him quite a bit in retirement and he's been doing what he loves for a long time. Some people aren't just in it for the money. Same for HS coaches who make about $7500 per year above their teaching salary. Let's not confuse William and Mary football with the NFL or Alabama or anything remotely close. These coaches are doing what they love to do, which is coaching.

Given JL's approximate $275K salary, I would have expected co-ordinators to be in the $135-180K range. Salaries in the $60's should be for the lowest level guys.