(07-27-2018 10:04 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  I haven't watched the BTN in at least 5 years and I live in Ohio. I could see the network dropped here and no one caring at all. There may be outrage in Columbus but the rest of the state would prefer the cost savings. College football used to be tradition and honor and state pride and now its just NFL with less good players. Amazing to realize cfb peaked around 2000 and started failing fast after 2008. Maybe if ND was good again people might care but I think its pretty much past prime and heading towards horse racing and boxing status.

No, the rest of the state would not prefer the cost savings.

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(07-25-2018 02:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 02:03 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 01:51 PM)YNot Wrote:  I'm sure the B1G has enjoyed non-TV benefits by having Penn St., Ohio St. and Michigan play in New Jersey and Maryland. What are they and what value do they provide to the conference and its legacy members?

Recruiting gains. But the legacy members aren’t playing every year any more. How did BYU like getting split off from AF, Wyoming and Colorado St? They hated it so much that 2 years later they created the MWC.

Rutgers and Maryland look about as solid now as rust peeking through the bondo!

Regarding football, sure, but pretty sure that was the expectation from the start. Maryland has pulled its weight in hoops just fine and has dominated the conference in non-revenue sport regular season championships and tournament wins. I know that means little around here, but with the other non-sports factors mentioned, Maryland is pulling its weight.

Rutgers is weaker on the sports but strong on the academics and market (NJ is very wealthy and its dense suburbia is chock full of those Big Ten alumni who have the good jobs in NYC). If both of these additions were a much bigger play than TV eye balls, which I believe they were, the latest expansion should pan out for the Big Ten in both the short and long term.

(07-28-2018 01:24 PM)Brick City Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 02:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 02:03 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 01:51 PM)YNot Wrote:  I'm sure the B1G has enjoyed non-TV benefits by having Penn St., Ohio St. and Michigan play in New Jersey and Maryland. What are they and what value do they provide to the conference and its legacy members?

Recruiting gains. But the legacy members aren’t playing every year any more. How did BYU like getting split off from AF, Wyoming and Colorado St? They hated it so much that 2 years later they created the MWC.

Rutgers and Maryland look about as solid now as rust peeking through the bondo!

Regarding football, sure, but pretty sure that was the expectation from the start. Maryland has pulled its weight in hoops just fine and has dominated the conference in non-revenue sport regular season championships and tournament wins. I know that means little around here, but with the other non-sports factors mentioned, Maryland is pulling its weight.

Rutgers is weaker on the sports but strong on the academics and market (NJ is very wealthy and its dense suburbia is chock full of those Big Ten alumni who have the good jobs in NYC). If both of these additions were a much bigger play than TV eye balls, which I believe they were, the latest expansion should pan out for the Big Ten in both the short and long term.

Time will tell. And non revenue sports are called that for a reason. They are nice, but they really are a non factor for decisions.

The important part is that the Marriage of Rutgers/Maryland to the Big 10 happened. You are both in it for the long haul now and at the end of the day that's what counts. In real life divorces are painful and expensive. In conference life the concept of a divorce dwarfs the expenses of a real one. Perhaps ministers performing wedding services should make the couple sign a GOR. So no matter the message board chatter Maryland and Rutgers are Big 10 and will likely remain that way until death they do part.

(07-28-2018 03:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 01:24 PM)Brick City Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 02:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 02:03 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 01:51 PM)YNot Wrote:  I'm sure the B1G has enjoyed non-TV benefits by having Penn St., Ohio St. and Michigan play in New Jersey and Maryland. What are they and what value do they provide to the conference and its legacy members?

Recruiting gains. But the legacy members aren’t playing every year any more. How did BYU like getting split off from AF, Wyoming and Colorado St? They hated it so much that 2 years later they created the MWC.

Rutgers and Maryland look about as solid now as rust peeking through the bondo!

Regarding football, sure, but pretty sure that was the expectation from the start. Maryland has pulled its weight in hoops just fine and has dominated the conference in non-revenue sport regular season championships and tournament wins. I know that means little around here, but with the other non-sports factors mentioned, Maryland is pulling its weight.

Rutgers is weaker on the sports but strong on the academics and market (NJ is very wealthy and its dense suburbia is chock full of those Big Ten alumni who have the good jobs in NYC). If both of these additions were a much bigger play than TV eye balls, which I believe they were, the latest expansion should pan out for the Big Ten in both the short and long term.

Time will tell. And non revenue sports are called that for a reason. They are nice, but they really are a non factor for decisions.

The important part is that the Marriage of Rutgers/Maryland to the Big 10 happened. You are both in it for the long haul now and at the end of the day that's what counts. In real life divorces are painful and expensive. In conference life the concept of a divorce dwarfs the expenses of a real one. Perhaps ministers performing wedding services should make the couple sign a GOR. So no matter the message board chatter Maryland and Rutgers are Big 10 and will likely remain that way until death they do part.

Yes, there really is no mechanism for expelling a member, even if the B1G wanted to get rid of Rutgers and Maryland - and there's zero indication they do.

Heck, if Penn State didn't get expelled for the Sandusky scandal, it's hard imagine what would get a school expelled.

(07-28-2018 05:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 03:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 01:24 PM)Brick City Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 02:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 02:03 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Recruiting gains. But the legacy members aren’t playing every year any more. How did BYU like getting split off from AF, Wyoming and Colorado St? They hated it so much that 2 years later they created the MWC.

Rutgers and Maryland look about as solid now as rust peeking through the bondo!

Regarding football, sure, but pretty sure that was the expectation from the start. Maryland has pulled its weight in hoops just fine and has dominated the conference in non-revenue sport regular season championships and tournament wins. I know that means little around here, but with the other non-sports factors mentioned, Maryland is pulling its weight.

Rutgers is weaker on the sports but strong on the academics and market (NJ is very wealthy and its dense suburbia is chock full of those Big Ten alumni who have the good jobs in NYC). If both of these additions were a much bigger play than TV eye balls, which I believe they were, the latest expansion should pan out for the Big Ten in both the short and long term.

Time will tell. And non revenue sports are called that for a reason. They are nice, but they really are a non factor for decisions.

The important part is that the Marriage of Rutgers/Maryland to the Big 10 happened. You are both in it for the long haul now and at the end of the day that's what counts. In real life divorces are painful and expensive. In conference life the concept of a divorce dwarfs the expenses of a real one. Perhaps ministers performing wedding services should make the couple sign a GOR. So no matter the message board chatter Maryland and Rutgers are Big 10 and will likely remain that way until death they do part.

Yes, there really is no mechanism for expelling a member, even if the B1G wanted to get rid of Rutgers and Maryland - and there's zero indication they do.

Heck, if Penn State didn't get expelled for the Sandusky scandal, it's hard imagine what would get a school expelled.

I guess if one of the other schools' mascot molested Brutus the Buckeye at halftime of a home Ohio State game then maybe?

Not every addition will be a top dog, the other members don't want to be pushed down the standings by each new member. Maryland and Rutgers are where everyone thought they would be. Why no thread about Missouri? Nebraska isn't where folks thought they would be in the west division. How about USC (east)? Pitt? Why are folks here so obsessed with Rutgers and Maryland and if they are some sort of huge mistake? Like UConn would have been a better option for the B1G or ECU would have been a great addition to the SEC or ACC? The only school with a legit beef for being left out is Cincy who was one of the top 3 FB programs in the BE and has solid hoops.

(07-28-2018 06:41 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Not every addition will be a top dog, the other members don't want to be pushed down the standings by each new member. Maryland and Rutgers are where everyone thought they would be. Why no thread about Missouri? Nebraska isn't where folks thought they would be in the west division. How about USC (east)? Pitt? Why are folks here so obsessed with Rutgers and Maryland and if they are some sort of huge mistake?

It's jealousy on the part of left-behinds or programs that see themselves as P5-worthy. They think Rutgers and Maryland have been gifted golden tickets without having earned it while their more-deserving schools rot in the G5.

They are mistaken. Maryland? Maryland is Tiffany-cufflinks compared to any current G5 school. They've been in a Power conference for 65 years. They helped found one, and got head-hunted by an even better one. It's crazy for any current G5 to compare their school to Maryland.

And Rutgers is the state university of New Jersey, right smack in the middle of the most populous and wealthy area in the nation.

If anything, Rutgers draws more ire because unlike Maryland they have basically no athletic pedigree of success, heck were minor-league just 25 years ago. But fact is, Rutgers has been a Power school for the entirety of the BCS and CFP eras. They are well established in the Power ranks as well.

(07-28-2018 05:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 03:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 01:24 PM)Brick City Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 02:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 02:03 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Recruiting gains. But the legacy members aren’t playing every year any more. How did BYU like getting split off from AF, Wyoming and Colorado St? They hated it so much that 2 years later they created the MWC.

Rutgers and Maryland look about as solid now as rust peeking through the bondo!

Regarding football, sure, but pretty sure that was the expectation from the start. Maryland has pulled its weight in hoops just fine and has dominated the conference in non-revenue sport regular season championships and tournament wins. I know that means little around here, but with the other non-sports factors mentioned, Maryland is pulling its weight.

Rutgers is weaker on the sports but strong on the academics and market (NJ is very wealthy and its dense suburbia is chock full of those Big Ten alumni who have the good jobs in NYC). If both of these additions were a much bigger play than TV eye balls, which I believe they were, the latest expansion should pan out for the Big Ten in both the short and long term.

Time will tell. And non revenue sports are called that for a reason. They are nice, but they really are a non factor for decisions.

The important part is that the Marriage of Rutgers/Maryland to the Big 10 happened. You are both in it for the long haul now and at the end of the day that's what counts. In real life divorces are painful and expensive. In conference life the concept of a divorce dwarfs the expenses of a real one. Perhaps ministers performing wedding services should make the couple sign a GOR. So no matter the message board chatter Maryland and Rutgers are Big 10 and will likely remain that way until death they do part.

Yes, there really is no mechanism for expelling a member, even if the B1G wanted to get rid of Rutgers and Maryland - and there's zero indication they do.

Heck, if Penn State didn't get expelled for the Sandusky scandal, it's hard imagine what would get a school expelled.

A member can be expelled at any time from the ACC, B10, B12, etc, etc. In the ACC it takes a 3/4 vote. In the B10 it takes a 7/10th vote. If 10 B10 schools want to expel MD or Rutgers, they can do that next week as long as they follow their bylaws. Not that they will or want to, but they can.

(07-28-2018 07:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 06:41 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Not every addition will be a top dog, the other members don't want to be pushed down the standings by each new member. Maryland and Rutgers are where everyone thought they would be. Why no thread about Missouri? Nebraska isn't where folks thought they would be in the west division. How about USC (east)? Pitt? Why are folks here so obsessed with Rutgers and Maryland and if they are some sort of huge mistake?

It's jealousy on the part of left-behinds or programs that see themselves as P5-worthy. They think Rutgers and Maryland have been gifted golden tickets without having earned it while their more-deserving schools rot in the G5.

They are mistaken. Maryland? Maryland is Tiffany-cufflinks compared to any current G5 school. They've been in a Power conference for 65 years. They helped found one, and got head-hunted by an even better one. It's crazy for any current G5 to compare their school to Maryland.

And Rutgers is the state university of New Jersey, right smack in the middle of the most populous and wealthy area in the nation.

If anything, Rutgers draws more ire because unlike Maryland they have basically no athletic pedigree of success, heck were minor-league just 25 years ago. But fact is, Rutgers has been a Power school for the entirety of the BCS and CFP eras. They are well established in the Power ranks as well.

Maryland has been in a power conference for 97 years.

Maryland formed the Southern Conference in 1921.

(07-28-2018 06:41 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Not every addition will be a top dog, the other members don't want to be pushed down the standings by each new member. Maryland and Rutgers are where everyone thought they would be. Why no thread about Missouri? Nebraska isn't where folks thought they would be in the west division. How about USC (east)? Pitt? Why are folks here so obsessed with Rutgers and Maryland and if they are some sort of huge mistake? Like UConn would have been a better option for the B1G or ECU would have been a great addition to the SEC or ACC? The only school with a legit beef for being left out is Cincy who was one of the top 3 FB programs in the BE and has solid hoops.

Someone has to lose because no ones a conference where everyone has a 6-6 record. When you pay to see the Harlem Globtrotters, they have the Washington Generals with them as the huckleberry. As far as Cincy having a "beef", Cincy committed to major college football almost a decade after Louisville. Look at the two schools schedules in the 70's and 80's. Then notice that Louisville had real success on the football field a solid decade before Cincy. Cincy can't have a better argument than Houston, SMU, or Rice. They don't have a better time playing big time football argument when compared to ECU. Louisville was just ahead of them when the merry go round stopped.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on sweetheart, nobody is getting expelled anywhere!

The Big 10 needs to decide how they want to split their divisions, because ideally they should either go exclusively East or West with their next two additions (I'm banking they will go to 16 and set off the next craze).

I think Oklahoma and Kansas give the Big Ten West a formidable rival to their East division. Now, I don't say that because I want my precious Heels to remain in the ACC, I say it because my precious Heels aren't going anywhere, nor is Virginia.

If Oklahoma is more interested in the SEC (or the Big XII for that matter), the Big 10 should probably look at Syracuse and Kansas; just deal with the weirdness of splitting Hoosier and Engineer. The Orange-Hawk combo could challenge the ACC as basketball conference overlord.

(07-28-2018 09:26 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 06:41 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Not every addition will be a top dog, the other members don't want to be pushed down the standings by each new member. Maryland and Rutgers are where everyone thought they would be. Why no thread about Missouri? Nebraska isn't where folks thought they would be in the west division. How about USC (east)? Pitt? Why are folks here so obsessed with Rutgers and Maryland and if they are some sort of huge mistake? Like UConn would have been a better option for the B1G or ECU would have been a great addition to the SEC or ACC? The only school with a legit beef for being left out is Cincy who was one of the top 3 FB programs in the BE and has solid hoops.

Someone has to lose because no ones a conference where everyone has a 6-6 record. When you pay to see the Harlem Globtrotters, they have the Washington Generals with them as the huckleberry. As far as Cincy having a "beef", Cincy committed to major college football almost a decade after Louisville. Look at the two schools schedules in the 70's and 80's. Then notice that Louisville had real success on the football field a solid decade before Cincy. Cincy can't have a better argument than Houston, SMU, or Rice. They don't have a better time playing big time football argument when compared to ECU. Louisville was just ahead of them when the merry go round stopped.

Cincy doesn't have a better argument than SMU or Rice? How about Cincy being in a BCS conference and winning it twice beating out Louisville and WVU. When the decisions were being made last go around no one was comparing their stats and wh they played in the 70's. Heck Rutgers was playing Colgate and Lehigh for crying out loud.

(07-26-2018 03:12 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 02:14 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 09:00 AM)Psuhockey Wrote:  Rutgers and Maryland were not just added for the BTN. Maryland and New Jersey are two of the top 3 richest states in the US as far as per capita income. That’s a lot of out of state students.

Sports make a lot of money for a university but they are just the marketing department to attract students. Students become boosters and provide donations. And not all students are created equal. With the rising cost of education, the competition for students is going to be just as important as cable dollars.

As state funding as diminished, many of the Big 10 schools have increased their acceptance of out-of-state students. At Michigan, for example, 49 percent of the 2016 freshman class was comprised of out-of-state students. Penn State is at 43 percent. Both Indiana and Wisconsin are at 43 percent. It could be that many of these Big 10 alums are just returning home, which happens to be outside the traditional boundaries of the Big 10.

Regarding MD and NJ, neither state has a prestigious back-up state school. So that forces may HS grads of these 2 states to look out-of-state.

Also there is no financial incentive to stay in state in NJ since you pay almost the same as out of state.

Apparently NJ leads the nation in the outflow of HS students:

http://www.philly.com/philly/education/n...80728.html

(07-28-2018 09:37 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 09:26 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 06:41 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Not every addition will be a top dog, the other members don't want to be pushed down the standings by each new member. Maryland and Rutgers are where everyone thought they would be. Why no thread about Missouri? Nebraska isn't where folks thought they would be in the west division. How about USC (east)? Pitt? Why are folks here so obsessed with Rutgers and Maryland and if they are some sort of huge mistake? Like UConn would have been a better option for the B1G or ECU would have been a great addition to the SEC or ACC? The only school with a legit beef for being left out is Cincy who was one of the top 3 FB programs in the BE and has solid hoops.

Someone has to lose because no ones a conference where everyone has a 6-6 record. When you pay to see the Harlem Globtrotters, they have the Washington Generals with them as the huckleberry. As far as Cincy having a "beef", Cincy committed to major college football almost a decade after Louisville. Look at the two schools schedules in the 70's and 80's. Then notice that Louisville had real success on the football field a solid decade before Cincy. Cincy can't have a better argument than Houston, SMU, or Rice. They don't have a better time playing big time football argument when compared to ECU. Louisville was just ahead of them when the merry go round stopped.

Cincy doesn't have a better argument than SMU or Rice? How about Cincy being in a BCS conference and winning it twice beating out Louisville and WVU. When the decisions were being made last go around no one was comparing their stats and wh they played in the 70's. Heck Rutgers was playing Colgate and Lehigh for crying out loud.

Nobody in power cares about any of that. Do you know how many people can name the year Cincinnati was in the Orange Bowl or SMU was a top five program without looking it up? Die-hard fans on the internet can, but that’s not what university presidents consider.

(07-28-2018 09:37 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 09:26 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 06:41 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Not every addition will be a top dog, the other members don't want to be pushed down the standings by each new member. Maryland and Rutgers are where everyone thought they would be. Why no thread about Missouri? Nebraska isn't where folks thought they would be in the west division. How about USC (east)? Pitt? Why are folks here so obsessed with Rutgers and Maryland and if they are some sort of huge mistake? Like UConn would have been a better option for the B1G or ECU would have been a great addition to the SEC or ACC? The only school with a legit beef for being left out is Cincy who was one of the top 3 FB programs in the BE and has solid hoops.

Someone has to lose because no ones a conference where everyone has a 6-6 record. When you pay to see the Harlem Globtrotters, they have the Washington Generals with them as the huckleberry. As far as Cincy having a "beef", Cincy committed to major college football almost a decade after Louisville. Look at the two schools schedules in the 70's and 80's. Then notice that Louisville had real success on the football field a solid decade before Cincy. Cincy can't have a better argument than Houston, SMU, or Rice. They don't have a better time playing big time football argument when compared to ECU. Louisville was just ahead of them when the merry go round stopped.

Cincy doesn't have a better argument than SMU or Rice? How about Cincy being in a BCS conference and winning it twice beating out Louisville and WVU. When the decisions were being made last go around no one was comparing their stats and wh they played in the 70's. Heck Rutgers was playing Colgate and Lehigh for crying out loud.

If we’re comparing all the Big East options before the Big Ten decided to expand, the ACC had Louisville, Rutgers, UConn, Cincinnati and South Florida (I’m not counting the schools that were already invited since they never played under the Big East banner). Once Rutgers goes to the Big Ten, Louisville becomes the clear favorite out of the other three. Unlike Cincinnati, Louisville won its two BCS bowls (Orange and Sugar) in the Big East, had better basketball, had a brand new arena, just expanded its stadium to 60k and its baseball team made it to the CWS. Louisville had the better athletic program from top to bottom. Unlike UConn, Louisville played Div I football for decades while the Huskies moved up in 2004. The only advantage Cincinnati and UConn had over Louisville is academics.

Does Cincinnati deserves to be in a P5? Yes. So do Houston and BYU.

(07-28-2018 09:20 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 07:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 06:41 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Not every addition will be a top dog, the other members don't want to be pushed down the standings by each new member. Maryland and Rutgers are where everyone thought they would be. Why no thread about Missouri? Nebraska isn't where folks thought they would be in the west division. How about USC (east)? Pitt? Why are folks here so obsessed with Rutgers and Maryland and if they are some sort of huge mistake?

It's jealousy on the part of left-behinds or programs that see themselves as P5-worthy. They think Rutgers and Maryland have been gifted golden tickets without having earned it while their more-deserving schools rot in the G5.

They are mistaken. Maryland? Maryland is Tiffany-cufflinks compared to any current G5 school. They've been in a Power conference for 65 years. They helped found one, and got head-hunted by an even better one. It's crazy for any current G5 to compare their school to Maryland.

And Rutgers is the state university of New Jersey, right smack in the middle of the most populous and wealthy area in the nation.

If anything, Rutgers draws more ire because unlike Maryland they have basically no athletic pedigree of success, heck were minor-league just 25 years ago. But fact is, Rutgers has been a Power school for the entirety of the BCS and CFP eras. They are well established in the Power ranks as well.

Maryland has been in a power conference for 97 years.

Maryland formed the Southern Conference in 1921.

Well for 70 something years of those 97 they didn't know they were in a power conference, nobody did.

(07-28-2018 03:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 01:24 PM)Brick City Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 02:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 02:03 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 01:51 PM)YNot Wrote:  I'm sure the B1G has enjoyed non-TV benefits by having Penn St., Ohio St. and Michigan play in New Jersey and Maryland. What are they and what value do they provide to the conference and its legacy members?

Recruiting gains. But the legacy members aren’t playing every year any more. How did BYU like getting split off from AF, Wyoming and Colorado St? They hated it so much that 2 years later they created the MWC.

Rutgers and Maryland look about as solid now as rust peeking through the bondo!

Regarding football, sure, but pretty sure that was the expectation from the start. Maryland has pulled its weight in hoops just fine and has dominated the conference in non-revenue sport regular season championships and tournament wins. I know that means little around here, but with the other non-sports factors mentioned, Maryland is pulling its weight.

Rutgers is weaker on the sports but strong on the academics and market (NJ is very wealthy and its dense suburbia is chock full of those Big Ten alumni who have the good jobs in NYC). If both of these additions were a much bigger play than TV eye balls, which I believe they were, the latest expansion should pan out for the Big Ten in both the short and long term.

Time will tell. And non revenue sports are called that for a reason. They are nice, but they really are a non factor for decisions.

The important part is that the Marriage of Rutgers/Maryland to the Big 10 happened. You are both in it for the long haul now and at the end of the day that's what counts. In real life divorces are painful and expensive. In conference life the concept of a divorce dwarfs the expenses of a real one. Perhaps ministers performing wedding services should make the couple sign a GOR. So no matter the message board chatter Maryland and Rutgers are Big 10 and will likely remain that way until death they do part.

Agree on the divorce part!!! Kinda wish I made my ex sign a GOR, but knowing her like I do, she would not have any part of that!! Agree on Rutgers/Maryland and the Big Ten too!!

(07-28-2018 11:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 09:20 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 07:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 06:41 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Not every addition will be a top dog, the other members don't want to be pushed down the standings by each new member. Maryland and Rutgers are where everyone thought they would be. Why no thread about Missouri? Nebraska isn't where folks thought they would be in the west division. How about USC (east)? Pitt? Why are folks here so obsessed with Rutgers and Maryland and if they are some sort of huge mistake?

It's jealousy on the part of left-be hinds or programs that see themselves as P5-worthy. They think Rutgers and Maryland have been gifted golden tickets without having earned it while their more-deserving schools rot in the G5.

They are mistaken. Maryland? Maryland is Tiffany-cufflinks compared to any current G5 school. They've been in a Power conference for 65 years. They helped found one, and got head-hunted by an even better one. It's crazy for any current G5 to compare their school to Maryland.

And Rutgers is the state university of New Jersey, right smack in the middle of the most populous and wealthy area in the nation.

If anything, Rutgers draws more ire because unlike Maryland they have basically no athletic pedigree of success, heck were minor-league just 25 years ago. But fact is, Rutgers has been a Power school for the entirety of the BCS and CFP eras. They are well established in the Power ranks as well.

Maryland has been in a power conference for 97 years.

Maryland formed the Southern Conference in 1921.

Well for 70 something years of those 97 they didn't know they were in a power conference, nobody did.

I missed this, or I would have snarked....

If the ACC was a major conference before 1996, what was their major bowl tie-in?

(07-29-2018 07:01 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 11:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 09:20 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 07:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 06:41 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Not every addition will be a top dog, the other members don't want to be pushed down the standings by each new member. Maryland and Rutgers are where everyone thought they would be. Why no thread about Missouri? Nebraska isn't where folks thought they would be in the west division. How about USC (east)? Pitt? Why are folks here so obsessed with Rutgers and Maryland and if they are some sort of huge mistake?

It's jealousy on the part of left-be hinds or programs that see themselves as P5-worthy. They think Rutgers and Maryland have been gifted golden tickets without having earned it while their more-deserving schools rot in the G5.

They are mistaken. Maryland? Maryland is Tiffany-cufflinks compared to any current G5 school. They've been in a Power conference for 65 years. They helped found one, and got head-hunted by an even better one. It's crazy for any current G5 to compare their school to Maryland.

And Rutgers is the state university of New Jersey, right smack in the middle of the most populous and wealthy area in the nation.

If anything, Rutgers draws more ire because unlike Maryland they have basically no athletic pedigree of success, heck were minor-league just 25 years ago. But fact is, Rutgers has been a Power school for the entirety of the BCS and CFP eras. They are well established in the Power ranks as well.

Maryland has been in a power conference for 97 years.

Maryland formed the Southern Conference in 1921.

Well for 70 something years of those 97 they didn't know they were in a power conference, nobody did.

I missed this, or I would have snarked....

If the ACC was a major conference before 1996, what was their major bowl tie-in?

Good point. FSU made the ACC a major conference, ensured they'd be included in the BCS.

(07-29-2018 07:01 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 11:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 09:20 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 07:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 06:41 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Not every addition will be a top dog, the other members don't want to be pushed down the standings by each new member. Maryland and Rutgers are where everyone thought they would be. Why no thread about Missouri? Nebraska isn't where folks thought they would be in the west division. How about USC (east)? Pitt? Why are folks here so obsessed with Rutgers and Maryland and if they are some sort of huge mistake?

It's jealousy on the part of left-be hinds or programs that see themselves as P5-worthy. They think Rutgers and Maryland have been gifted golden tickets without having earned it while their more-deserving schools rot in the G5.

They are mistaken. Maryland? Maryland is Tiffany-cufflinks compared to any current G5 school. They've been in a Power conference for 65 years. They helped found one, and got head-hunted by an even better one. It's crazy for any current G5 to compare their school to Maryland.

And Rutgers is the state university of New Jersey, right smack in the middle of the most populous and wealthy area in the nation.

If anything, Rutgers draws more ire because unlike Maryland they have basically no athletic pedigree of success, heck were minor-league just 25 years ago. But fact is, Rutgers has been a Power school for the entirety of the BCS and CFP eras. They are well established in the Power ranks as well.

Maryland has been in a power conference for 97 years.

Maryland formed the Southern Conference in 1921.

Well for 70 something years of those 97 they didn't know they were in a power conference, nobody did.

I missed this, or I would have snarked....

If the ACC was a major conference before 1996, what was their major bowl tie-in?

The ACC was considered a major conference because sports weren’t dominated by football then. Not that it qualifies your statement but to answer your question, the ACC inked a deal with the Citrus Bowl in the 80’s, which was considered a major New Year’s Day bowl game. When the ACC was formed teams regularly went to the Orange Bowl. A more informed historian may know the details, but I believe the league imposed academic restrictions which lead to South Carolina leaving.

The ACC was also a part of the Bowl Coalition/Alliance in the early 90’s, as was the Big East.