(07-11-2018 09:38 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 05:02 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 12:21 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  This is a huge exercise in "who gives a *#@+?".

Everyone has different allocating methods and varying tuition, fees, etc. that influence the final numbers.

Are you paying your coaches well?
Are you building facilities?
Are you scheduling multiple guarantee games to make ends meet?
Are you taking care of the athletes (stipends, training table, equipment, training, etc.)?
Are you giving the fans a great game day experience?
Are you winning?

If you measure up with the best of your peers in these areas then I really don't care what it looks like on a spreadsheet.

there are several schools/AD's voicing concerns over budget shortfalls, rising debt, etc. and a lot of it has to do with expenses verses income( budget issues). now, it is not coming from your school, but those it does affect wonder how your not being affected and how are you're actually growing. spreadsheets can reveal some of the answers to the questions they have. doesn't mean they can duplicate what you're doing, and that might be a issue for them. clearly im guessing on the last part more so than the rest of my statement.

We experienced the same doubt from our own fans when it came to progress and improvements and still see it from some. There was so little effort, so much untapped fundraising and so little follow through before the current AD and President came aboard. Our own fans were skeptical every time a project was announced and if it there wasn't dirt moving a month after announcement they would start complaining.

Projects didn't get scaled down, they were scaled up. The Pressbox got bigger (which most of us never even thought would be built for another decade or more) and better. The IPF was a $17 million project instead of a cheaper one like you see some places. The Malzahn endzone bunker project became a unique design that produces revenue. The city fought the campus convention center and tried to launch a rival project but ASU prevailed and it is going up as we speak.

There has been one large donor in particular but the city has continued to grow at an unprecedented rate with new hospitals, commercial mixed use developments, a medical school, etc. and the hustle is finally there to capitalize.

I suspect you will see a new baseball stadium and softball as well in the near future. If they announce it, you can pretty much count on it getting done.

So far, AState has not released drawings of any facility it hopes to build only facilities funded and preparing to break ground.

(07-11-2018 09:38 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 05:02 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 12:21 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  This is a huge exercise in "who gives a *#@+?".

Everyone has different allocating methods and varying tuition, fees, etc. that influence the final numbers.

Are you paying your coaches well?
Are you building facilities?
Are you scheduling multiple guarantee games to make ends meet?
Are you taking care of the athletes (stipends, training table, equipment, training, etc.)?
Are you giving the fans a great game day experience?
Are you winning?

If you measure up with the best of your peers in these areas then I really don't care what it looks like on a spreadsheet.

there are several schools/AD's voicing concerns over budget shortfalls, rising debt, etc. and a lot of it has to do with expenses verses income( budget issues). now, it is not coming from your school, but those it does affect wonder how your not being affected and how are you're actually growing. spreadsheets can reveal some of the answers to the questions they have. doesn't mean they can duplicate what you're doing, and that might be a issue for them. clearly im guessing on the last part more so than the rest of my statement.

We experienced the same doubt from our own fans when it came to progress and improvements and still see it from some. There was so little effort, so much untapped fundraising and so little follow through before the current AD and President came aboard. Our own fans were skeptical every time a project was announced and if it there wasn't dirt moving a month after announcement they would start complaining.

Projects didn't get scaled down, they were scaled up. The Pressbox got bigger (which most of us never even thought would be built for another decade or more) and better. The IPF was a $17 million project instead of a cheaper one like you see some places. The Malzahn endzone bunker project became a unique design that produces revenue. The city fought the campus convention center and tried to launch a rival project but ASU prevailed and it is going up as we speak.

There has been one large donor in particular but the city has continued to grow at an unprecedented rate with new hospitals, commercial mixed use developments, a medical school, etc. and the hustle is finally there to capitalize.

I suspect you will see a new baseball stadium and softball as well in the near future. If they announce it, you can pretty much count on it getting done.

Jonesboro now has I-555 connecting it to the Interstate System and in the near future Jonesboro will be on or very near the new I-67. Jonesboro is going to continue growing and A-State will grow right along with it. NWA was opened up by I-49 and now I-555 and the future I-67 will open up NEA.

(07-11-2018 11:11 AM)DoubletapWolf Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 09:14 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 04:15 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  You wear your panties too tight!

Oh yeah, they're clearly half way up my ass but that doesn't change the facts.

You are one of the most Anal posters I have ever encountered on any of the Sports Boards I regularly visit. Why are you so Anal about something that does not impact your School or your Conference? Why are you here? Are you off your Meds?

Just an accounting nerd. Like I said earlier, I'm interested in it for purely academic reasons. I've spent some time looking at ODU's figures and trying to understand the reporting in light of both the recent law restricting the use of student fees and also for talking smack with JMU posters who try to claim they're in a better position than us. I'm no expert by any means.

I peruse the USA Today database and the threads it creates. Ark State's figures certainly raise some eyebrows, so I got questions and come here to ask them. I find a bunch of defensive Red Wolves fans. That's to be expected I suppose but you can't blame me for calling out obvious incongruities. I admit and don't try to hide the fact that ODU's budget numbers are inflated. But if you guys won't admit that yours are then you can expect what you're getting. You can call it jealousy but that's deflection. So congrats on your successes, the growth is clearly not all bull****.

(07-11-2018 12:09 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 11:11 AM)DoubletapWolf Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 09:14 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 04:15 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  You wear your panties too tight!

Oh yeah, they're clearly half way up my ass but that doesn't change the facts.

You are one of the most Anal posters I have ever encountered on any of the Sports Boards I regularly visit. Why are you so Anal about something that does not impact your School or your Conference? Why are you here? Are you off your Meds?

Just an accounting nerd. Like I said earlier, I'm interested in it for purely academic reasons. I've spent some time looking at ODU's figures and trying to understand the reporting in light of both the recent law restricting the use of student fees and also for talking smack with JMU posters who try to claim they're in a better position than us. I'm no expert by any means.

I peruse the USA Today database and the threads it creates. Ark State's figures certainly raise some eyebrows, so I got questions and come here to ask them. I find a bunch of defensive Red Wolves fans. That's to be expected I suppose but you can't blame me for calling out obvious incongruities. I admit and don't try to hide the fact that ODU's budget numbers are inflated. But if you guys won't admit that yours are then you can expect what you're getting. You can call it jealousy but that's deflection. So congrats on your successes, the growth is clearly not all bull****.

Not a deflection, simply an observation that over many years of reporting no one from any FBS conference other CUSA has found things "funny".

(07-11-2018 03:23 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 12:09 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 11:11 AM)DoubletapWolf Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 09:14 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 04:15 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  You wear your panties too tight!

Oh yeah, they're clearly half way up my ass but that doesn't change the facts.

You are one of the most Anal posters I have ever encountered on any of the Sports Boards I regularly visit. Why are you so Anal about something that does not impact your School or your Conference? Why are you here? Are you off your Meds?

Just an accounting nerd. Like I said earlier, I'm interested in it for purely academic reasons. I've spent some time looking at ODU's figures and trying to understand the reporting in light of both the recent law restricting the use of student fees and also for talking smack with JMU posters who try to claim they're in a better position than us. I'm no expert by any means.

I peruse the USA Today database and the threads it creates. Ark State's figures certainly raise some eyebrows, so I got questions and come here to ask them. I find a bunch of defensive Red Wolves fans. That's to be expected I suppose but you can't blame me for calling out obvious incongruities. I admit and don't try to hide the fact that ODU's budget numbers are inflated. But if you guys won't admit that yours are then you can expect what you're getting. You can call it jealousy but that's deflection. So congrats on your successes, the growth is clearly not all bull****.

Not a deflection, simply an observation that over many years of reporting no one from any FBS conference other CUSA has found things "funny".

No the deflection is that there's no response to the valid points I bring up regarding your reporting and you say - "Hey look at our Learfield contract. Hate on, haters"

I mean are you still holding to still holding to saying the USA Today numbers are accurate, properly reported and should be compared to others?

(07-11-2018 12:09 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 11:11 AM)DoubletapWolf Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 09:14 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 04:15 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  You wear your panties too tight!

Oh yeah, they're clearly half way up my ass but that doesn't change the facts.

You are one of the most Anal posters I have ever encountered on any of the Sports Boards I regularly visit. Why are you so Anal about something that does not impact your School or your Conference? Why are you here? Are you off your Meds?

Just an accounting nerd. Like I said earlier, I'm interested in it for purely academic reasons. I've spent some time looking at ODU's figures and trying to understand the reporting in light of both the recent law restricting the use of student fees and also for talking smack with JMU posters who try to claim they're in a better position than us. I'm no expert by any means.

I peruse the USA Today database and the threads it creates. Ark State's figures certainly raise some eyebrows, so I got questions and come here to ask them. I find a bunch of defensive Red Wolves fans. That's to be expected I suppose but you can't blame me for calling out obvious incongruities. I admit and don't try to hide the fact that ODU's budget numbers are inflated. But if you guys won't admit that yours are then you can expect what you're getting. You can call it jealousy but that's deflection. So congrats on your successes, the growth is clearly not all bull****.

I will take you at your word "I'm no expert by any means". Nough said.

(07-11-2018 04:28 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 12:09 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 11:11 AM)DoubletapWolf Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 09:14 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 04:15 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  You wear your panties too tight!

Oh yeah, they're clearly half way up my ass but that doesn't change the facts.

You are one of the most Anal posters I have ever encountered on any of the Sports Boards I regularly visit. Why are you so Anal about something that does not impact your School or your Conference? Why are you here? Are you off your Meds?

Just an accounting nerd. Like I said earlier, I'm interested in it for purely academic reasons. I've spent some time looking at ODU's figures and trying to understand the reporting in light of both the recent law restricting the use of student fees and also for talking smack with JMU posters who try to claim they're in a better position than us. I'm no expert by any means.

I peruse the USA Today database and the threads it creates. Ark State's figures certainly raise some eyebrows, so I got questions and come here to ask them. I find a bunch of defensive Red Wolves fans. That's to be expected I suppose but you can't blame me for calling out obvious incongruities. I admit and don't try to hide the fact that ODU's budget numbers are inflated. But if you guys won't admit that yours are then you can expect what you're getting. You can call it jealousy but that's deflection. So congrats on your successes, the growth is clearly not all bull****.

I will take you at your word "I'm no expert by any means". Nough said.

LOL, fair enough.

(07-10-2018 04:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 09:48 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-08-2018 12:23 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(07-07-2018 06:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-07-2018 02:33 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  So in 2012 you had $84,00 in contributions but now have 9M ...okay.

You had 2.2M in contributions in 2016 and you want us to believe you increased donations by 7.4M in one year without including money earmarked for projects? Click on your name and explain the huge swings year by year then.

You have the most hot and cold fan base on the planet if that is normal for contributions to swing by millions year by year.

let me lay it out and see if anyone else thinks this is crazy. The ArkSt fan base needs mood stabilizing drugs. My take below.

CONTRIBUTIONS
2017 $9,594,061 Took a desperate risk while spiraling and took remaining lottery money and bought something called bitcoin.
2016 $2,220,434 Blew most of lottery winnings last year back to counseling
2015 $6,281,980 Won the lottery
2014 $1,560,468 On better meds with better insurance
2013 $403,388 On meds
2012 $84,237 Seeked counselling attending group meetings
2011 $64,506 Off meds total meltdown
2010 $586,760 On meds but insurance worse insurance back on the generics
2009 $614,531 On better meds with better insurance
2008 $398,116 On meds
2007 $539,127 On meds
2006 $502,438 On meds
2005 $563,046 On meds

Simply put, yes we expect you to believe it, because its the truth.

Pre 2013, our reporting was done entirely differently. We had an AD who didn't fundraise, and didn't stress contributions as a priority. We only reported what we ended up needing in a given year to balance books that were intentionally kept as low as possible.

Mohajir got hired in the late Fall of 2012, and began to slowly reorganize the Athletic Department. An emphasis was placed on fundraising. It was sometime in 2013 when he began to place a greater emphasis on increasing the Athletic Budget. Coach salaries were increased across the board, and paid for primarily with Contributions from donors. Because of our moronic previous AD, we already had a very large surplus within the Red Wolf Foundation. (Throw in that every Football coach buyout we got was counted as a "contribution") We simply started using more of those funds to help offset the increased Athletic Budget.

Once the football team started winning consistently, naturally our money began to increase. Our Licensing sales went through the roof, and Contributions steadily increased.

Mohajir has stated repeatedly in interviews that our general Athletic budget every year is going to be between 35-40 Million. When we have capital projects, it will rise to 50 million. We have a gigantic surplus in the Red Wolf Foundation's books (And those are not reported to USA Today) so we simply take in what we need each year to ensure that our budget meets the threshold that TM set out.

If you don't believe us, that's up to you, but you'll be really shocked when we report 8 figures in contributions next year because we took in multiple large donations in 2017 and have started a new capital project.

I’m almost sure that neither ULM or Louisiana can legally report budgets the same way as stAte.

Or the other 160+/- FBS teams.

You seem to be laboring under the delusion that what we report to USAToday is the same as what we report to the state.

Our budget is just higher than the rest of the league. That's how it is, and that's how its going to remain under the current Athletic Director/Chancellor combo.

Cool story bro.....To begin with all I had was info I had. I also stated ArkSt is likely at worst two or three in real revenue. Budget size is worthless if your budget is from tax money and student fees / allocated funds. GS has a ways to go but is doing fine and has made up ground quickly especially to team that have a 20+ year head start in the FBS / 1-A

Mohajir was asked about our USA Today numbers in an interview this week. Gave a bit of the rationale for how we report, and confirmed that we do normally include capital projects within our reports, however he also noted that there were no capital projects ongoing within the time frame reported, but that there would be next year.

Also talked briefly about student fees and subsidies and noted that per an agreement with the University, the Athletic Department does not get to keep any revenue from subsidies or student fees. (I'm not really understanding exactly what he explained what we did with it, and why its reported)

He also took quite a big jab at Razorback Fans "Who didn't go to school there but bought a shirt at Wal-Mart"

http://953theticket.com/workday-redzone-...y-11-2018/

(07-14-2018 08:05 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Mohajir was asked about our USA Today numbers in an interview this week. Gave a bit of the rationale for how we report, and confirmed that we do normally include capital projects within our reports, however he also noted that there were no capital projects ongoing within the time frame reported, but that there would be next year.

Also talked briefly about student fees and subsidies and noted that per an agreement with the University, the Athletic Department does not get to keep any revenue from subsidies or student fees. (I'm not really understanding exactly what he explained what we did with it, and why its reported)

He also took quite a big jab at Razorback Fans "Who didn't go to school there but bought a shirt at Wal-Mart"

http://953theticket.com/workday-redzone-...y-11-2018/

I haven't listened to the interview but it probably goes back to University coffers. That's why your Revenues and Expenses net to zero. Just what is needed is allocated. At ODU the amount from student fees is predetermined and allocated to athletics and that's included in their budget. If there's a surplus the athletic department retains what's left for use in future years and if there's a deficit the money needs to come from those prior year surpluses or the foundation to balance. Or some bills ain't getting paid.


Edit: Listened to it and it sounded like he was referring to scholarships and the like being paid to the University but not too clear.