^ yup.

200k from 2012-2016 then 250k from 2016 until he was fired.

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/coll...34722.html

Pastner/Memphis was paying Robert Kirby (his 1st chair asst) 305,000 back in 2015.

(03-31-2018 06:27 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  Scott Cross was only making 200-250k? And he got fired after 70 something wins? Hmmm. Do not compute.

This move only makes sense if UTA plans to spend millions to attract a proven winner from the P5 level.

seems like on the state's employee compensation website I thought I saw he was making 330k. there are professors at uta making more. I know his base was 250,000 in 2016 before they renegotiated his contract.

Cross was making about $350k per year.

UTA is a great coaching hire away from being a powerhouse G5 program if the school is willing to put the money into it....

great arena, a city players should love and a very good recruiting area to draw from and from the looks of it a AD that wants to be one of the best...not just one of the best in the SBC.

I like Cross as a coach but if you are a basketball school and don't get to the NCAA Tourney in 10 years a school needs to look else where. Now UTA needs to put their money where their mouth is. I would go after a former head coach that needs a 2nd chance....even with baggage. Suck up the bad press and with in a couple years he will start bringing in high level recruits

The AD needs to be working the MVC for a bid its obvious most SBC schools could care less about basketball

(03-31-2018 07:58 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Cross was making about $350k per year.

you'll need to double that along with your recruiting and travel budgets if you want any chance of being some Texas version of Gonzaga.

Agreed. 100%. The irony is Scott’s record and results were easily worth half a mil, so we were getting a good home team discount. Can’t lean on that anymore.

(04-01-2018 01:50 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Agreed. 100%. The irony is Scott’s record and results were easily worth half a mil, so we were getting a good home team discount. Can’t lean on that anymore.

he had long ties to the school and loved being the coach. the next guy will just be out for the dollars and to build on his resume...

(04-01-2018 07:30 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 01:50 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Agreed. 100%. The irony is Scott’s record and results were easily worth half a mil, so we were getting a good home team discount. Can’t lean on that anymore.

he had long ties to the school and loved being the coach. the next guy will just be out for the dollars and to build on his resume...

All of this! Cross was finally building some momentum. UTA athletics hasn't had much success overall and when we finally start down that path they take down the guy somehow doing it with the crappy budget. He's done a great job of getting some of the local kids to stay home. Both Neal and Hervey went to HS less than 30 miles from College Park Center. I bet the only national recruiting Coach had money for was the big Vegas AAU tourney each summer.

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(04-01-2018 07:47 AM)grumpdoggMav Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 07:30 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 01:50 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Agreed. 100%. The irony is Scott’s record and results were easily worth half a mil, so we were getting a good home team discount. Can’t lean on that anymore.

he had long ties to the school and loved being the coach. the next guy will just be out for the dollars and to build on his resume...

All of this! Cross was finally building some momentum. UTA athletics hasn't had much success overall and when we finally start down that path they take down the guy somehow doing it with the crappy budget. He's done a great job of getting some of the local kids to stay home. Both Neal and Hervey went to HS less than 30 miles from College Park Center. I bet the only national recruiting Coach had money for was the big Vegas AAU tourney each summer.

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All the momentum was drained from the program after this very disappointing season with one of our most talented collection of individual players. Expectations were high and Cross was playing into those expectations early-on before we started losing conference games that we had no business losing. We had 8 seniors. We needed to win SOMETHING, and we didn't win a damn thing. The bottom dropped out of the program.

We will always love Coach Cross but it was time to make a change.

(04-01-2018 10:06 AM)UTArlingtonMaverick Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 07:47 AM)grumpdoggMav Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 07:30 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 01:50 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Agreed. 100%. The irony is Scott’s record and results were easily worth half a mil, so we were getting a good home team discount. Can’t lean on that anymore.

he had long ties to the school and loved being the coach. the next guy will just be out for the dollars and to build on his resume...

All of this! Cross was finally building some momentum. UTA athletics hasn't had much success overall and when we finally start down that path they take down the guy somehow doing it with the crappy budget. He's done a great job of getting some of the local kids to stay home. Both Neal and Hervey went to HS less than 30 miles from College Park Center. I bet the only national recruiting Coach had money for was the big Vegas AAU tourney each summer.

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[/b]All the momentum was drained from the program after this very disappointing season with one of our most talented collection of individual players. Expectations were high and Cross was playing into those expectations early-on before we started losing conference games that we had no business losing. We had 8 seniors.[b] We needed to win SOMETHING, and we didn't win a damn thing. The bottom dropped out of the program. [b]

We will always love Coach Cross but it was time to make a change.

Again, just playing Devil's Advocate here . . .

Soooo, your contention is that after 3 extremely successful seasons, one season where expectations aren't met (the bottom dropped out as you put it) means you have to can the Coach?

In your mind, there's no way that Cross could have "turned it around?"

So if a Coach like, I don't know, say Coach K at Duke has a bad year, Duke should "can the guy" and start a Coaching search?

Maybe after that effort last night, Kansas should run their guy off, cause I'm pretty sure Kansas failed to meet expectations.

And if this is going to be your model going forward, why's a decent guy going to want to Coach at your University when the likelihood is they'll be shown the door after a "bad season."

Now if you really believe it was time for a Coaching change, I'm not going to argue your opinion.

But I think y'all need to get "real" about your program and your University. You ain't Gonzaga . . . . and you just ran off a proven winner from a G5 program in a 1 bid conference. The odds of you hiring a guy that'll perform at a higher level ain't real good. But that's just my opinion, and I could certainly be wrong.

If my University had just enjoyed 3 consecutive years like y'all just did, and we rewarded that Coach by showing him the door, I'd be pissed. Which I suppose is understandable, since we've never enjoyed such a 3 year period.

I will say, the more I think about this move y'all made, the less sense it makes to me.

But it's done, so I'll just wish you luck with your search, cause there ain't no guarantee that the next guy will be any better than the previous guy . . . and that may ultimately be your program's problem.

In addition to this season of huge disappointment of not winning ANYTHING with superior talent, as a basketball school, if you have any ambition at all, if a coach goes 10 years without getting you in the NCAA, it is time to look elsewhere.

We won the regular season just last year. That's winning something. We had Hervey, Neal and Wilson coming back this year, but not much else and the season played out like that. The team this year was nowhere near as talented as last year and most of our losses last year were bad ones. Unless you are bringing in a proven coach you won't see any better results with a program that has the 8th best budget in the Sun Belt.

Until UTA can have at least a top budget in the Sun Belt they won't do anything. I mean the school can't even seem to fund the academic programs properly these days with the faculty to student ratio hovering around 50:1.

I love my school, but I'm done with them for a while. All the bad press and unrealistic expectations is too much. You can't fund things with peanuts and make decisions like this.

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[quote='grumpdoggMav' pid='15223143' dateline='1522611231'

I love my school, but I'm done with them for a while.

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Grump, does this mean we are going to hear less from you around here?

(04-01-2018 02:33 PM)grumpdoggMav Wrote:  Until UTA can have at least a top budget in the Sun Belt they won't do anything. I mean the school can't even seem to fund the academic programs properly these days with the faculty to student ratio hovering around 50:1.

The student to faculty ratio is not anything like that. Try about half that.

The academic program is where fantastic growth is happening. New R 1 university. Probably $100 million in research in the next year or two. News releases just this week noted US News rankings of number 50 for masters of nursing, number 34 for social work. I'll take those, and the list goes on. Still a lot of work to do, but very proud of this university.

(04-01-2018 04:48 PM)UTArlingtonMaverick Wrote:  [quote='grumpdoggMav' pid='15223143' dateline='1522611231'

I love my school, but I'm done with them for a while.

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Grump, does this mean we are going to hear less from you around here?

Hard to hear less from me haha. This is the most I've posted on here in a while. I'll probably check on how the team.js doing here and there next season, but I won't go out of my way like I do now. It's hard catching games here in St Louis with all of the other things I have going on.

(04-01-2018 05:01 PM)UTArlingtonMaverick Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 02:33 PM)grumpdoggMav Wrote:  Until UTA can have at least a top budget in the Sun Belt they won't do anything. I mean the school can't even seem to fund the academic programs properly these days with the faculty to student ratio hovering around 50:1.

The student to faculty ratio is not anything like that. Try about half that.

The academic program is where fantastic growth is happening. New R 1 university. Probably $100 million in research in the next year or two. News releases just this week noted US News rankings of number 50 for masters of nursing, number 34 for social work. I'll take those, and the list goes on. Still a lot of work to do, but very proud of this university.

I got the 50:1 ratio from an article in The Shorthorn where they said the school had to get special permission to hire for summer and part of the savings was by keeping the ration at 51:1.

http://m.theshorthorn.com/news/uta-gets-...fe24b.html

I was shocked when I read that number.

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(04-01-2018 02:21 PM)UTArlingtonMaverick Wrote:  In addition to this season of huge disappointment of not winning ANYTHING with superior talent, as a basketball school, if you have any ambition at all, if a coach goes 10 years without getting you in the NCAA, it is time to look elsewhere.

I'll just park this here, and say nothing more about it:

5 years ago, we fired (or maybe it was a non-renewal . . . Don't think our AD has actually fired anyone) our Basketball Coach, and really, at the time, it needed to be done. We then went out and hired a proven winner with head coaching experience.

While at UIW, he racked up a 219-52 record. Won 5 Regular Season Championships and had 6 NAIA appearances.

While at SFA his record was 246-141. He had 6 seasons where SFA won 20 plus games. Won 4 Conference Championships, had 2 NIT appearances, and 1 NCAA appearance.

We're now 5 years into the Danny Kaspar era, his record is 74-88 (.457 winning percentage) . . and we're still waiting for "all that winning" we hired to transfer to San Marcos.

You might get lucky with your next hire, but I think it's more likely that in a few years you'll look back wistfully for The Cross era.

Good luck.

(04-01-2018 05:01 PM)grumpdoggMav Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 04:48 PM)UTArlingtonMaverick Wrote:  [quote='grumpdoggMav' pid='15223143' dateline='1522611231'

I love my school, but I'm done with them for a while.

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Grump, does this mean we are going to hear less from you around here?

Hard to hear less from me haha. This is the most I've posted on here in a while. I'll probably check on how the team.js doing here and there next season, but I won't go out of my way like I do now. It's hard catching games here in St Louis with all of the other things I have going on.

:)

(04-01-2018 05:08 PM)grumpdoggMav Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 05:01 PM)UTArlingtonMaverick Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 02:33 PM)grumpdoggMav Wrote:  Until UTA can have at least a top budget in the Sun Belt they won't do anything. I mean the school can't even seem to fund the academic programs properly these days with the faculty to student ratio hovering around 50:1.

The student to faculty ratio is not anything like that. Try about half that.

The academic program is where fantastic growth is happening. New R 1 university. Probably $100 million in research in the next year or two. News releases just this week noted US News rankings of number 50 for masters of nursing, number 34 for social work. I'll take those, and the list goes on. Still a lot of work to do, but very proud of this university.

I got the 50:1 ratio from an article in The Shorthorn where they said the school had to get special permission to hire for summer and part of the savings was by keeping the ration at 51:1.

http://m.theshorthorn.com/news/uta-gets-...fe24b.html

I was shocked when I read that number.

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My number is 27 from the THECB, which is the real number. State report.

(04-01-2018 06:17 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 02:21 PM)UTArlingtonMaverick Wrote:  In addition to this season of huge disappointment of not winning ANYTHING with superior talent, as a basketball school, if you have any ambition at all, if a coach goes 10 years without getting you in the NCAA, it is time to look elsewhere.

I'll just park this here, and say nothing more about it:

5 years ago, we fired (or maybe it was a non-renewal . . . Don't think our AD has actually fired anyone) our Basketball Coach, and really, at the time, it needed to be done. We then went out and hired a proven winner with head coaching experience.

While at UIW, he racked up a 219-52 record. Won 5 Regular Season Championships and had 6 NAIA appearances.

While at SFA his record was 246-141. He had 6 seasons where SFA won 20 plus games. Won 4 Conference Championships, had 2 NIT appearances, and 1 NCAA appearance.

We're now 5 years into the Danny Kaspar era, his record is 74-88 (.457 winning percentage) . . and we're still waiting for "all that winning" we hired to transfer to San Marcos.

You might get lucky with your next hire, but I think it's more likely that in a few years you'll look back wistfully for The Cross era.

Good luck.

Not a Bobcat expert, but I believe your facility has been a drag on recruiting. Getting rid of that funky wall is a big improvement. We know about funky facilities at UTA, and funky does not recruit. CPC, on the other hand, is a smashing facility.

I do hope we source a blood thirsty beast from higher up the athletic food chain.