(03-02-2018 10:10 AM)cmt Wrote:  Calkins just replayed his opening statement at presser last night. We thought Calipari was a used car salesman, well, Tubby is the biggest con artist in the history of college basketball. What a maroon. He deserves to be fired today and we should make him sue us and go to court to get the rest of his money. Just to put him on the stand and get him to explain why he deserves it.

Unfortunately, the contract says what the contract says. He doesn't have to prove anything. He's going to get his money. The people writing the checks just aren't getting their money's worth.

I'll bet they are shocked by both the product on the floor and the level of recruiting.

2 years in and he’s at a loss. But year 3...that’s when it’ll click.

(03-02-2018 10:20 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Unfortunately, the contract says what the contract says. He doesn't have to prove anything. He's going to get his money. The people writing the checks just aren't getting their money's worth.

I'll bet they are shocked by both the product on the floor and the level of recruiting.

They shouldn't be. Tubby hasn't gotten a top 100 player since Moby Dick was a minnow. He's won 1 NCAA tournament game in 12 years.

(03-02-2018 10:23 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 10:20 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Unfortunately, the contract says what the contract says. He doesn't have to prove anything. He's going to get his money. The people writing the checks just aren't getting their money's worth.

I'll bet they are shocked by both the product on the floor and the level of recruiting.

They shouldn't be. Tubby hasn't gotten a top 100 player since Moby Dick was a minnow. He's won 1 NCAA tournament game in 12 years.

Yeah but this time was going to be different. He wasn't at Minnesota or Texas Tech. He was at Memphis recruiting to Top 15 facilities, the historical Top 20 tradition, all of that.

He's done NOTHING with all the built in recruiting advantages. he should be KILLING it in recruiting but he's **** the bed instead.

(03-02-2018 10:20 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  2 years in and he’s at a loss. But year 3...that’s when it’ll click.

Now THIS. This is what has me at a loss.

(03-02-2018 10:27 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  He's done NOTHING with all the built in recruiting advantages. he should be KILLING it in recruiting but he's **** the bed instead.

THAT is the ultimate reason he should be let go. There is a complete unwillingness to use the advantages he has. I"m not saying "play the game," but at least be in the building.

Sounds familiar if you are a Gopher fan.

https://www.thedailygopher.com/2013/3/26...ht-reasons

"After Tubby's honeymoon period, the Minnesota basketball program was rarely fun. A slew of players transferred. Royce White and Devoe Joseph took part in melodramas that would make for a great Bravo reality show. Tubby pointed fingers alternately at his players and the lack of a practice facility.

Tubby often seemed unable in press conferences to pinpoint what ailed his teams. On most occasions Tubby's players didn't play with confidence. No one seemed to be having much fun."


There are 5 bullet points cited by Minnesota writer for the firing...but this one stood out.

"Throughout his tenure, Tubby's offense was cringe-worthy. This season the Gophers were running the flex offense along with some high-low and pick and roll looks. The flex in particular was run with a lackadaisical approach. Cuts were slow and deliberate. At times off-the-ball movement stopped. It was almost as if the players were still learning the offense."

(03-02-2018 12:37 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Sounds familiar if you are a Gopher fan.

https://www.thedailygopher.com/2013/3/26...ht-reasons

"After Tubby's honeymoon period, the Minnesota basketball program was rarely fun. A slew of players transferred. Royce White and Devoe Joseph took part in melodramas that would make for a great Bravo reality show. Tubby pointed fingers alternately at his players and the lack of a practice facility.

Tubby often seemed unable in press conferences to pinpoint what ailed his teams. On most occasions Tubby's players didn't play with confidence. No one seemed to be having much fun."


There are 5 bullet points cited by Minnesota writer for the firing...but this one stood out.

"Throughout his tenure, Tubby's offense was cringe-worthy. This season the Gophers were running the flex offense along with some high-low and pick and roll looks. The flex in particular was run with a lackadaisical approach. Cuts were slow and deliberate. At times off-the-ball movement stopped. It was almost as if the players were still learning the offense."

Good find. It's like he's trying to repeat the Kentucky championship as if he's still at Kentucky, using Pitino's players. The guy is clearly out of his league now.

His tenure will come down to his next 2 games...win both and he may be back...win 1, lose 1 and no way should he be allowed back next year. If he manages to win the next 3, he will most likely return next year.

Some posters here have accused us of being racist about Tubby.
Apparently that is a common accusation. This is an open letter to Kentucky from Minnesota fans. It was written before he won a tournament game there, but I thought it was entertaining.

http://www.startribune.com/uh-kentucky-y...116091704/

An open letter to the Bluegrass State:

When Tubby Smith left the University of Kentucky to replace Dan Monson at the U, we provincial Northerners sneered at you.

Sorry. I meant to say, "Y'all.''

We assumed that if a coach of Smith's stature decided to leave one of the five greatest programs in college basketball, it had to be the fault of obsessive fans who have been known to spend entire evenings second-guessing the execution of a first-half inbounds play.

We figured a pungent blend of idiocy and racism drove Smith from a university built for and around basketball greatness, a place where he won a national title and his son played point guard.

...........

So congratulations, Kentucky. We thought Tubby viewed Minnesota as a place he could win. Turns out that when he looks at Goldy Gopher, all he sees is a 401(k).

Meh - just don't get worked up about what is or is not said at press conferences. Never have. Didn't with Pastner's wackiness, didn't with Tubby's my-way.

If you listen to the most successful coaches in pressers (Popovich, Saban, Belichick, Krzycqzxchevski), there's nothing revealing there. Whether they criticize fans, media, players, refs - you're not getting the full story from them.

Now losing by 25 at home to a terrible team, that's much more important than the presser.

Amazing what a difference 6 weeks makes!

This has been purely incredible

What a different world we live in now.

I bet Tubby is REALLY at a loss now...

Night. And. Day.

(04-16-2018 12:10 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I bet Tubby is REALLY at a loss now...

He might care a little but he's going to get $1.5M / year for the next 6 years from Memphis plus whatever High Point is paying him.

In his mind he's thinking Memphis is dumb, That he was going to have a good team next year and would have gotten into the NCAA tournament or at least the NIT; and maybe he would have but then what?

Penny has waltzed in and put a Top 30 recruiting class together in three weeks LATE in the game.

Imagine what Tubby could have done if he'd have put in the effort and used the inherent advantages available to him to secure even Top 50 classes?

I don't know how well coached a Penny team will be but I do know that on paper they'll be far more talented than anything Tubby would have run out there.

(04-16-2018 12:20 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 12:10 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I bet Tubby is REALLY at a loss now...

He might care a little but he's going to get $1.5M / year for the next 6 years from Memphis plus whatever High Point is paying him.

In his mind he's thinking Memphis is dumb, That he was going to have a good team next year and would have gotten into the NCAA tournament or at least the NIT; and maybe he would have but then what?

Penny has waltzed in and put a Top 30 recruiting class together in three weeks LATE in the game.

Imagine what Tubby could have done if he'd have put in the effort and used the inherent advantages available to him to secure even Top 50 classes?

I don't know how well coached a Penny team will be but I do know that on paper they'll be far more talented than anything Tubby would have run out there.

And don't forget the fan support factor.

That just skyrocketed.

There will be so much joy in the Forum. It's hardly imaginable.

I doubt the Tub has any idea at all of what is going on in the basketball world. He hasn't even bothered to name an assistant coach yet, much less talk to any potential recruits. He knows he gets a pass the first season so he is going to take full advantage of it and spend the summer on vacations.

(04-16-2018 12:20 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 12:10 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I bet Tubby is REALLY at a loss now...

He might care a little but he's going to get $1.5M / year for the next 6 years from Memphis plus whatever High Point is paying him.

I heard it was MINUS whatever High Point is paying him. Did that change?