(01-06-2018 03:44 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 02:09 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  You seem to get it Seahawk2010.

It’s nice to have a new, quality poster around here. 2010 has brought some good fresh ideas and topics so far. Good stuff.


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Thanks. I have been following the boards since 2009, first on CAAZONE and now here. Never really bothered to make an account and post since these things can suck you in and become very time consuming. But alas here I am.

Also, kind of funny that "Mullet" is more positive and level headed about this season than other UNCW fans.

(01-06-2018 08:30 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 03:44 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 02:09 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  You seem to get it Seahawk2010.

It’s nice to have a new, quality poster around here. 2010 has brought some good fresh ideas and topics so far. Good stuff.


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Thanks. I have been following the boards since 2009, first on CAAZONE and now here. Never really bothered to make an account and post since these things can suck you in and become very time consuming. But alas here I am.

Also, kind of funny that "Mullet" is more positive and level headed about this season than other UNCW fans.

Most are level headed, just some more tolerant of mediocrity than others

(01-05-2018 08:16 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Towson drives on us at will and either gets the shot, the foul or the kick out for the three. We just can't defend playing man to man. PLAY ZONE.

(01-05-2018 08:40 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  While I'm not watching this game, I completely agree with both. No way those two should be in the game at the same time (nothing against them, they're just not ready for that), and I think the beat down we're receiving in the 2nd half is likely the result of no zone. In the man defense, without even watching I'm assuming Towson's one-on-one style is just ripping our guards to shreds.

I could only listen to this one as well, but I think they went 5-5 from the field when we were in zone. It just wasn't going to work against this team, who can nail their threes at will.

(01-05-2018 08:59 PM)82hawk Wrote:  What is the identity of this team? What do we hang our hat on and force other teams to deal with? Besides Cacok that is? I saw a team tonight going through the motions but no fire in the belly. We don't look to impose our will.

Are we looking to beat teams with the 3? Do we try to win the turnover battle? Do we try to dominate the paint? Are we a lock down defensive team on the drive? Do we take away the three?

When I watch this team I don't know why any team would fear us, and I can't see what we do to make an opponent "play our game", because I have no idea what that is.

Always hard to find an identity when you're losing to a better team. Pretty sure our identity is to play fast on offense and play tough half-court defense in man-to-man. Not sure what the confusion is there. It's just not working against superior teams.

(01-06-2018 08:20 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Bill, I get your point so let's take it to the logical conclusion. Who do you start? Sure, the walk on PG is quick...he's 5'6" and weighs 150 lbs. Who does he replace? Talley, Taylor, Fornes? And how does that look for 25 minutes per game instead of 5?

Ok, how about Powell? Does he start? If so, who does he replace?

Ok. So, now we start Brown and Powell because they play tough defense. Can they score? Naw, they can't. We all know that which is why they are walk ons and not scholarship players. But hey, let's continue on.

So. Brown, Taylor, Powell, Cacok all start. What about Bryan? Does he start? He can't defend a 2x4 and he can't score. Estime? Who cares. We'll let Bryan and Estime rotate. Or does Gary start?

Brown, Taylor, Powell, Cacok and Bryan start. I see maybe 59 ppg. capability on the table IF Cacok can average 18 ppg. and Taylor can average 18 ppg. We can sub in Talley and Fornes to spark the offense and maybe not get blown out by 25 in every CAA game.

I like it.

OR....OR....OR...We can play more zone and maybe extend some full court press with players who know how to press and have been successful with the press. Of course, that would require some coaching responsibility instead of chastising and blaming the players.

And, I didn't see the presser yet, but did I hear correctly we were trying to avoid injury"? What, did he not care about Cacok getting injured, because he played the whole game. BS. We quit on that game with almost 7 minutes left. We pulled our starters and called it a day. We also made and continue to make a HUGE mistake when both Gary and Estime are in the game together, which is where their run happened and the lead ballooned to 20.

This was a 2 point game at 32-34 in the first half with 5:07 left in the half. At that point, everyone was contributing on offense. The last 5 minutes of the first half we scored three points on a Taylor jumper and Cacok hit a FT. Meanwhile, Towson hit a three, three jumpers and two FT's to extend the lead to 10.

Second half we came out and chipped away at the lead, getting as close as 5 points at the 17:09 mark. At 15:05 Talley hit a jumper and we were down 6. Then Talley and Fornes were subbed out and Gary and Estime came in. Can we not run our starters for more than 5 minute stretches in the middle of a comeback run?

At 11:00 minutes, just 4 minutes after the substitutions, we were down 15. A nine point swing and the game was essentially over. We never got any closer.

I'm sick of the excuses...or hats off to the other teams for having great nights. Everybody shoots over 50% against us. Everybody is a great 3 point shooting team against us. Everybody can drive to the basket against us. WE CANNOT DEFEND WELL PLAYING MAN. It's really that simple. PLAY MORE ZONE...OR PRESS. And, we cannot put Estime and Gary in while we take Talley and Fornes out at the same time. We lose too much scoring and upper class leadership on the court. Talley can play more minutes and so can Fornes. When we have Gary, Estime, Taylor, Bryan and Cacok on the court together, we only have two legitimate scoring threats in Taylor and Cacok. As a result, we try to force the ball to Cacok in the post and commit TO's.

We do not have a deep bench. Agreed. So our starters are going to have to play more minutes. It sucks, but its' the only way we win games. Last year Bryce(34.3), Flemmings(34.7) and Ingram(33.5) all averaged at least 33 minutes per game...AND WE PRESSED. This year, nobody averages over 28 minutes per game...why?
Talley(28.0), Cacok(27.9), Taylor(26.8) and Fornes(25.5) play the most. Cacok and Talley sit because of fouls a lot. Is that the reason? If it is, gee, what could we possibly do to limit fouls and allow our best players to be on the court 5-6 minutes more per game? Bueller, anyone? Did he say ZONE?

This isn't rocket science, and the game of basketball isn't a new one. There are solutions to problems that have been around for decades. Our solution is staring us in the face. PLAY MORE ZONE...a lot more. As a result you can keep your best players on the court five minutes more per game and stop the drives and fouls that limit PT for your best players. Ta da!

That was a fun exercise, and feel free to tell me what is wrong here. But, I expect nothing will change. We will continue to play mostly man, play our best players less than we did last year when we pressed, allow ourselves to be driven on and scored on at will, AND LOSE. Fun times. I can't wait until the CAA tournament.

Aaaand there's the meltdown.

The answers here are pretty simple. We don't have a lot of talent. We lost 4/5 starters, an entire recruiting class, that forward we lost to K-State, and had a brand new coaching staff.

It's tough to make lemonade out of oranges. I suggest you re-calibrate your expectations a bit. Your posts aren't very fun to read these days.

(01-06-2018 01:36 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  You've got to realize that this is a rebuilding year plain and simple. UNCW lost more offense than any team in the entire nation. When that happens and you change coaches, you lose. Even if Keatts were still here, UNCW would have taken a step back this year. Continuity matters and experience matters.

Nah man, zone and pressing will fix our talent problems completely.

Call me Sunshine Squad. I don't really care. This season sucks but I'm not about to throw my hat in with the guy(s) who were completely opposed to this hire at the start and can't come up with a single positive.

(01-07-2018 08:04 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 08:16 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Towson drives on us at will and either gets the shot, the foul or the kick out for the three. We just can't defend playing man to man. PLAY ZONE.

(01-05-2018 08:40 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  While I'm not watching this game, I completely agree with both. No way those two should be in the game at the same time (nothing against them, they're just not ready for that), and I think the beat down we're receiving in the 2nd half is likely the result of no zone. In the man defense, without even watching I'm assuming Towson's one-on-one style is just ripping our guards to shreds.

I could only listen to this one as well, but I think they went 5-5 from the field when we were in zone. It just wasn't going to work against this team, who can nail their threes at will.

Not true. I watched the entire game again. We played zone for about 6:30 total and outscored them 12-10(didn't count that last 6 minutes of the game when we pulled our starters and gave up). They went 3-4, but they were 2-3 against man to start the game. The fact is, they may have hit 3's, but we got turnovers and also stopped them from scoring on drives and in the paint. Also, we went zone with our subs to boot. Zone was not the problem.

(01-06-2018 09:47 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Most are level headed, just some more tolerant of mediocrity than others

Not sure what this means. No one likes mediocrity. But the solutions for avoiding mediocrity are where opinions differ.

(01-07-2018 08:15 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 09:47 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Most are level headed, just some more tolerant of mediocrity than others

Not sure what this means. No one likes mediocrity. But the solutions for avoiding mediocrity are where opinions differ.

You all seem to think that things will get better, next year or the year after. I've seen ZERO for me to believe that's happening. Hope i'm wrong, he gets his own guys in here and it fixes everything, Just not seeing it.

(01-07-2018 08:13 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Call me Sunshine Squad. I don't really care. This season sucks but I'm not about to throw my hat in with the guy(s) who were completely opposed to this hire at the start and can't come up with a single positive.

I'll wait. Give me some positives?

(01-07-2018 08:55 PM)82hawk Wrote:  I'll wait. Give me some positives?

The development of Jay Estime, for one, and Jeff Gary emerging as the backup point guard to Talley. The fact that this coaching staff, despite your best efforts to throw shade at every opportunity, have actually shown a willingness to adjust, even if we simply don't have the horses.

The fact that you needed ME to come up with some tells me your posts are fairly close to going into the ignore pile. It's sad, really. You used to be a very good poster. Maybe one day you'll be readable again.

08, I hear ya, and you have valid points. But is it not reasonable to be a little bit annoyed. This team shouldn't be performing this poorly.

(01-08-2018 08:27 AM)solohawks Wrote:  08, I hear ya, and you have valid points. But is it not reasonable to be a little bit annoyed. This team shouldn't be performing this poorly.

Of course. But the constant negativity and beating of dead horses gets old, fast. It doesn't advance a conversation. Because if everything is negative, the conversation can only shift towards firing the coach. Which in the middle of Year 1 would be a ludicrous discussion.

(01-07-2018 08:55 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 08:13 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Call me Sunshine Squad. I don't really care. This season sucks but I'm not about to throw my hat in with the guy(s) who were completely opposed to this hire at the start and can't come up with a single positive.

I'll wait. Give me some positives?

that's what most of you don't get, It doesn't really matter what was said when he was hired. I was willing to give him a shot. The results do not give me any reason to think my initial thoughts were wrong. Until they do, show me the money. Proof is in the results. \

I agree that Estime seems to be developing good, and Gary has looked solid at times. I HAVE given credit when it's been due. Unfortunately it's been few and far between because it hasn't been warranted.

I have consistently praised the players, including both freshmen and even Kalina. As much as I had a problem with Bryan in the past, I have praised him as well. So, let's skip the discussion about the players when we're talking about positives, agree?

Of course we aren't firing a coach in the first year. But, i'm looking for the positives related to coaching in a 4-12 season, with only two wins over DI teams with losing records. That's why I asked you what they are. I look to see what changes or adjustments are made if a team is getting routed and in the midst of and 8 game losing streak. I didn't see any, did you? We finally tried a bit of zone against Delaware when we were already 3-9 on the season and it looked pretty good and had a positive effect on our play. But now, apparently, the zone is the reason we are losing according to the HC and...you(disregard the fact we only play zone for about 6 minutes of a 40 minute game). And never mind the 3-9 record prior. Or, the blame is placed on the players. Sorry, that infuriates me and it doesn't enamor me to a coach.

To state we "don't have the horses" is a greater negative than my questioning the coaches. We may not fire a first year coach, but if we are that negative about our players they do have options. Plus, I don't buy it. These players were all DI prospects who had other options at the DI level. Taylor came from Wichita State. Talley played at Hargrave. Cacok...need I say more? How about Fornes, is he a subpar DI player? And we've lost to DII and lower level DI teams this year. I don't know about you, but i've played on and coached teams that "didn't have the horses", but good coaches find a strategy to win. Calling out players to "play better"isn't a strategy.

I've been too negative, I know. Maybe i'm hoping the coaches will feel the same sense of urgency I do. I know in detail the negative impact a dreadful basketball program has at UNCW. Student recruiting is harder, the athletic department finances are hit hard, and the fan base goes back in the shadows. Basketball is it. It drives our whole budget.

(01-08-2018 10:46 AM)82hawk Wrote:  To state we "don't have the horses" is a greater negative than my questioning the coaches.

As you'll notice, I haven't bashed a single individual player like some on here do. I'm merely pointing out that we lost a lot when Flemmings, Ingram, Bryce, Sallah, and our recruits departed. That's undeniable, and something you seem to think is just people making excuses OR saying we don't have talent. We do, but it takes time to cultivate that talent and get them to buy into a system. More time than you've clearly been willing to allow. It also takes at least a couple recruiting classes to see what you really have in the coach. We got spoiled by Keatts, who got immediate results. That's not typical, and shouldn't have been the expectation.

You lose 4/5 starters and start basically from scratch with a new system, there are going to be huge growing pains, and the expectation that we'd contend right away is really more of a way to put undue pressure on the players and coaches than anything negative that can come from me pointing out the reality of the situation. I don't see how what I'm saying could possibly be damaging.

Also, it's laughable to think we're more frustrated than the coaches right now. It's cool if people need to vent once in a while, but pretending this will have an impact on what the coaches will do is just silly. They're the ones whose jobs and livelihoods depend on the play of 18-22 year old kids. We're just fans and alums.

(01-08-2018 12:19 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Also, it's laughable to think we're more frustrated than the coaches right now. It's cool if people need to vent once in a while, but pretending this will have an impact on what the coaches will do is just silly. They're the ones whose jobs and livelihoods depend on the play of 18-22 year old kids. We're just fans and alums.

I 'm not naive enough to think anything that gets said on here will have any impact on what the coach will do. It's clear he will do what he wants no matter if it works or not.

(01-08-2018 12:57 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 12:19 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Also, it's laughable to think we're more frustrated than the coaches right now. It's cool if people need to vent once in a while, but pretending this will have an impact on what the coaches will do is just silly. They're the ones whose jobs and livelihoods depend on the play of 18-22 year old kids. We're just fans and alums.

I 'm not naive enough to think anything that gets said on here will have any impact on what the coach will do. It's clear he will do what he wants no matter if it works or not.

I don’t think things said here will have an impact on coaching decisions, I’m not that pompous and neither should any of you be. However, I do believe it could have a very serious impact on the decisions of recruits.


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