(01-02-2018 01:29 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 12:59 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 12:52 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 12:20 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 11:52 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Do we even know if the big money folks are interested in Penny?

If they are interested in solid recruiting classes they most certainly are interested.

so we don't

One would have to assume they are both aware of Penny wanting the job and his ability to bring in very good players, thus they have to be interested.

If the Deciders are smarter this time around, they will (hopefully via a search committee) explore ALL options before making a coaching decision.

I don’t disagree with exploring all options. That’s a wise move. Penny isn’t the only coach that could turn our situation around. But I do believe he would be a great choice.

4 years ago, when a super talented JUCO player (Lavar Moore) found out I was from Memphis--his eyes bugged out because he loved/respected Penny Hardaway.

A bunch of JUCO players were standing around in my store, and Moore explained to the other guys on his team (who didn't know the greatness of Penny)

"o man... if Penny calls, you drop everything. You do anything Penny says. When Penny talks, you just listen."

My only point is that in 2014, a kid from Connecticut knew exactly who Penny was. Just to end this tale on a good note....Moore went on to a full D2 scholley and greatness* in his league.

* 2nd in the conference at 22 points per game. 10th in the nation at the NAIA level. 8th nationally in 3pt field goals-- 97

Penny would be our Coach K.

(01-02-2018 02:12 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  4 years ago, when a super talented JUCO player (Lavar Moore) found out I was from Memphis--his eyes bugged out because he loved/respected Penny Hardaway.

A bunch of JUCO players were standing around in my store, and Moore explained to the other guys on his team (who didn't know the greatness of Penny)

"o man... if Penny calls, you drop everything. You do anything Penny says. When Penny talks, you just listen."

My only point is that in 2014, a kid from Connecticut knew exactly who Penny was. Moore went on to a full D2 scholley and greatness* in his league.

* 2nd in the conference at 22 points per game. 10th in the nation at the NAIA level. 8th nationally in 3pt field goals-- 97

Good story and good info.

What kind of store do you own?

(01-02-2018 01:42 PM)DaMackisBackk Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 11:30 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  If Penny was a Memphis first guy we wouldn't be having so many problems landing guys off of HIS AAU and High School teams.

Seems Penny is a player first guy and if he wants the job, definitely a Penny first guy.

As a trusted coach for these young men, you have to be honest with these young men in order to be respected by them. No matter how much you love the university, you have to do what is the best situation for each young man. These young men talk with the former and current local players about the program and see the lack of support by fans and community. Midnight Madness used to be a big event for Memphis Basketball and now it is not. No local player wants to be a part of that when they have other opportunities available and Penny is just being honest with them and they respect him for that.

Yep, I agree with that. Also, most of these young men dream and kind of expect to be playing in the NBA at some point. It has been a long time since the Tub has developed NBA players.

(01-02-2018 02:14 PM)jamammy Wrote:  Penny would be our Coach K.

So would we call him Kenny or Kardaway?

Now is the time to hire Penny. Get recruits and puts butts in the seats.

(01-02-2018 12:44 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  The fact that Memphis1987, UofMemphis, and TG4 have come out against it tells me this is a very good idea.

THIS

(01-01-2018 10:23 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  There are many facets to running a college basketball program.

Penny will be great at the basketball part. Will he be willing to spend the time doing the rest of it? Will he be willing to take directives from an administration? Schmooze with the boosters? Coaches don't work an 8 hour day or a 5 day work week. Their golf game is limited to April-August.

you don't think Penny schmooze with the boosters now? He is a booster, IIRC.]

(01-02-2018 12:44 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  The fact that Memphis1987, UofMemphis, and TG4 have come out against it tells me this is a very good idea.

Good point

(01-02-2018 04:40 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 10:23 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  There are many facets to running a college basketball program.

Penny will be great at the basketball part. Will he be willing to spend the time doing the rest of it? Will he be willing to take directives from an administration? Schmooze with the boosters? Coaches don't work an 8 hour day or a 5 day work week. Their golf game is limited to April-August.

you don't think Penny schmooze with the boosters now? He is a booster, IIRC.]

I haven't taken a position on this, just raising a question here and there. If Penny wants this gig and is willing to invest his time and energy. He will have my total support.

But will he want to work for Tom Bowen?...and David Rudd? Will they be willing to hire him? Can there be a working relationship developed there? gloss over this if you choose, but this is a big obstacle.

Being an ambassador and schmoozing with boosters are two different things.
Think Rebounders, radio shows, fund-raising, ticket sales, and multiple public appearances and speeches.

Having been the president of a booster club, I understand that a lot of the members feel entitled to have their piece of the coach and to be heard when they have an opinion. It's something that the coach has to tolerate. Penny doesn't need to, but is he willing?

There are so many people in here that are projecting their outlook on what Penny wants, how much money he'd take, and his thought process. I just wonder what he really thinks. You guys are all so sure that he wants the job. Does he?

He's got a pretty good life. I wonder why he would want to jump into this insane asylum.

(01-01-2018 10:23 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  There are many facets to running a college basketball program.

Penny will be great at the basketball part. Will he be willing to spend the time doing the rest of it? Will he be willing to take directives from an administration? Schmooze with the boosters? Coaches don't work an 8 hour day or a 5 day work week. Their golf game is limited to April-August.

LOL.

So you are saying Tubby does this now?

This board is a hoot.

(01-02-2018 05:44 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 10:23 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  There are many facets to running a college basketball program.

Penny will be great at the basketball part. Will he be willing to spend the time doing the rest of it? Will he be willing to take directives from an administration? Schmooze with the boosters? Coaches don't work an 8 hour day or a 5 day work week. Their golf game is limited to April-August.

LOL.

So you are saying Tubby does this now?

This board is a hoot.

Where did I say that?

Penny is more respected than Tubby from the getgo. That part will make a difference in how boosters treat him....maybe?

(01-02-2018 02:30 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 12:44 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  The fact that Memphis1987, UofMemphis, and TG4 have come out against it tells me this is a very good idea.

THIS

(01-02-2018 05:28 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 04:40 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 10:23 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  There are many facets to running a college basketball program.

Penny will be great at the basketball part. Will he be willing to spend the time doing the rest of it? Will he be willing to take directives from an administration? Schmooze with the boosters? Coaches don't work an 8 hour day or a 5 day work week. Their golf game is limited to April-August.

you don't think Penny schmooze with the boosters now? He is a booster, IIRC.]

I haven't taken a position on this, just raising a question here and there. If Penny wants this gig and is willing to invest his time and energy. He will have my total support.

But will he want to work for Tom Bowen?...and David Rudd? Will they be willing to hire him? Can there be a working relationship developed there? gloss over this if you choose, but this is a big obstacle.

Being an ambassador and schmoozing with boosters are two different things.
Think Rebounders, radio shows, fund-raising, ticket sales, and multiple public appearances and speeches.

Having been the president of a booster club, I understand that a lot of the members feel entitled to have their piece of the coach and to be heard when they have an opinion. It's something that the coach has to tolerate. Penny doesn't need to, but is he willing?

There are so many people in here that are projecting their outlook on what Penny wants, how much money he'd take, and his thought process. I just wonder what he really thinks. You guys are all so sure that he wants the job. Does he?

He's got a pretty good life. I wonder why he would want to jump into this insane asylum.

99.9% of us certainly have no idea. But if he is willing to donate his time to HS and AAU basketball, I think he'd be interested in the opportunity to return his hometown team to glory. His University and City need him and he offers a unique set of attributes that make him a great fit AT THIS TIME. Previously, his lack of college coaching experience was seen as a risk. With the program having now fallen to such depths, the low-side risk is virtually non-existent.

(01-02-2018 05:28 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 04:40 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 10:23 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  There are many facets to running a college basketball program.

Penny will be great at the basketball part. Will he be willing to spend the time doing the rest of it? Will he be willing to take directives from an administration? Schmooze with the boosters? Coaches don't work an 8 hour day or a 5 day work week. Their golf game is limited to April-August.

you don't think Penny schmooze with the boosters now? He is a booster, IIRC.]

I haven't taken a position on this, just raising a question here and there. If Penny wants this gig and is willing to invest his time and energy. He will have my total support.

But will he want to work for Tom Bowen?...and David Rudd? Will they be willing to hire him? Can there be a working relationship developed there? gloss over this if you choose, but this is a big obstacle.

Being an ambassador and schmoozing with boosters are two different things.
Think Rebounders, radio shows, fund-raising, ticket sales, and multiple public appearances and speeches.

Having been the president of a booster club, I understand that a lot of the members feel entitled to have their piece of the coach and to be heard when they have an opinion. It's something that the coach has to tolerate. Penny doesn't need to, but is he willing?

There are so many people in here that are projecting their outlook on what Penny wants, how much money he'd take, and his thought process. I just wonder what he really thinks. You guys are all so sure that he wants the job. Does he?

He's got a pretty good life. I wonder why he would want to jump into this insane asylum.

While there are a handful of people who scoff at Jason Smith and Gary Parrish, I personally find it foolish. Gary is connected, whether he is a d-bag is another question entirely. Jason is connected, no doubt about it. Both have said straight out that Penny wants the job. I have also heard people on 560 say straight out, that Penny wants the job. Now, does that make me 100% certain? No, but it does make me 99.9% certain that they would not be saying it straight out if there was not truth to it.

For me a more important question is if the powers are willing to buyout Tubby after this season?

That’s the key.

(01-02-2018 09:13 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  For me a more important question is if the powers are willing to buyout Tubby after this season?

That’s the key.

Very true. However, it has been illustrated how Tubby can be brought in and replaced with a lower-priced, better coaching staff at no increase in annual costs. Factor in the probable increase in donations and season tickets with the right hire and we can't afford not to make a change.

(01-02-2018 09:19 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 09:13 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  For me a more important question is if the powers are willing to buyout Tubby after this season?

That’s the key.

Very true. However, it has been illustrated how Tubby can be brought in and replaced with a lower-priced, better coaching staff at no increase in annual costs. Factor in the probable increase in donations and season tickets with the right hire and we can't afford not to make a change.

It's not always a simple question of math. Big boosters are always gonna carry more weight than us simple fans.