(01-19-2018 10:24 PM)NTTHOR Wrote: why the **** does fau care what a random guy may say? you're just feeding into him...could he be right...sure, could he be wrong, sure....who the **** care? damn, ya'll fau guys are a fickly bunch
Ayye, North Texas fans are back. I haven’t seen you guys since the Beatdown in Boca: Part 2.
(01-19-2018 10:24 PM)NTTHOR Wrote: why the **** does fau care what a random guy may say? you're just feeding into him...could he be right...sure, could he be wrong, sure....who the **** care? damn, ya'll fau guys are a fickly bunch
I don't mind partaking in intellectual discourse with someone if they bring cogent reasoning to the discussion, but I guess I was asking for too much.
No more feeding the troll.
First, thank you for the statistics lecture, I say that only very slightly tongue-in-cheek, I honestly do appreciate the length you went to explain your point.
With that said, I don't reference my own Twitter use as a rebuttal or to suggest that I represent the average Twitter user, not hardly, I'm merely pointing out one of the myriad of reasons that attempting to draw conclusions from just a number of Twitter followers is imprecise to put it mildly. You don't think any of those 410k followers are people like me? How many of them are athletes he recruited over the years? How many are fellow coaches and sports media members? 410k is an impressive number, especially for a G5 coach, but I still think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. I also don't see how his Twitter followers suggest that ESPN needs to cover him, lest they lose out to another network that does, following someone on Twitter doesn't mean you are just clamoring for information about that person any way you can get it.
I honestly don't see how what has been going on in this thread isn't intellectual discourse or how my opinion isn't cogent reasoning, just because we don't agree, doesn't make me a troll.
(01-19-2018 03:04 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote: MTPiKapp is jealous of others success. He hates that it's not MTSU doing this and that everything he said about Kiffin before the season is wrong and instead of saying "Yea FAU good for your school for thinking outside of the box and bringing attention to the conference and your school.'' He has to fight it every step of the way. One thing is have realized the schools who have been playing football for 100 years is that they need the conference to raise their profile because they dodo does not offer anything of real worth down the road.
They just hate on UCF's FAU's FIU's UNCC's because the new guys are younger and sexier.
As always, I appreciate you speaking for me, as wrong as you may be, UCF certainly has success to be jealousenvious of most notably a pair of access bowl victories, but FAU, FIU, UNCC? Seriously? I'll give you the coverage for FAU since bringing Kiffin on is also something to be jealousenvious of, but it's going to take more than one season to establish something to truly envy and the inclusion of FIU is funny, UNCC? Really?
And for all your condescension, Murfreesboro is larger than Boca and Murfreesboro is closer to Nashville than Boca is to Miami.
From WPB to Miami its one huge metro area.
City size doesn't even matter when most people do not even know when they drive through one city into the next.
No, Owlcountry, metros do not stretch for 70 miles.
But just to be clear, my point was not to talk down about FAU, or Boca, or even to suggest Murfreesboro is better, I was simply pointing out that if FAU is a "metro school", so is Middle Tennessee, we certainly aren't a "nothing podunk town" like you have called many of our conference mates.
(01-19-2018 03:04 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote: MTPiKapp is jealous of others success. He hates that it's not MTSU doing this and that everything he said about Kiffin before the season is wrong and instead of saying "Yea FAU good for your school for thinking outside of the box and bringing attention to the conference and your school.'' He has to fight it every step of the way. One thing is have realized the schools who have been playing football for 100 years is that they need the conference to raise their profile because they dodo does not offer anything of real worth down the road.
They just hate on UCF's FAU's FIU's UNCC's because the new guys are younger and sexier.
As always, I appreciate you speaking for me, as wrong as you may be, UCF certainly has success to be jealousenvious of most notably a pair of access bowl victories, but FAU, FIU, UNCC? Seriously? I'll give you the coverage for FAU since bringing Kiffin on is also something to be jealousenvious of, but it's going to take more than one season to establish something to truly envy and the inclusion of FIU is funny, UNCC? Really?
And for all your condescension, Murfreesboro is larger than Boca and Murfreesboro is closer to Nashville than Boca is to Miami.
From WPB to Miami its one huge metro area.
City size doesn't even matter when most people do not even know when they drive through one city into the next.
No, Owlcountry, metros do not stretch for 70 miles.
But just to be clear, my point was not to talk down about FAU, or Boca, or even to suggest Murfreesboro is better, I was simply pointing out that if FAU is a "metro school", so is Middle Tennessee, we certainly aren't a "nothing podunk town" like you have called many of our conference mates.
(01-19-2018 03:04 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote: MTPiKapp is jealous of others success. He hates that it's not MTSU doing this and that everything he said about Kiffin before the season is wrong and instead of saying "Yea FAU good for your school for thinking outside of the box and bringing attention to the conference and your school.'' He has to fight it every step of the way. One thing is have realized the schools who have been playing football for 100 years is that they need the conference to raise their profile because they dodo does not offer anything of real worth down the road.
They just hate on UCF's FAU's FIU's UNCC's because the new guys are younger and sexier.
As always, I appreciate you speaking for me, as wrong as you may be, UCF certainly has success to be jealousenvious of most notably a pair of access bowl victories, but FAU, FIU, UNCC? Seriously? I'll give you the coverage for FAU since bringing Kiffin on is also something to be jealousenvious of, but it's going to take more than one season to establish something to truly envy and the inclusion of FIU is funny, UNCC? Really?
And for all your condescension, Murfreesboro is larger than Boca and Murfreesboro is closer to Nashville than Boca is to Miami.
From WPB to Miami its one huge metro area.
City size doesn't even matter when most people do not even know when they drive through one city into the next.
No, Owlcountry, metros do not stretch for 70 miles.
But just to be clear, my point was not to talk down about FAU, or Boca, or even to suggest Murfreesboro is better, I was simply pointing out that if FAU is a "metro school", so is Middle Tennessee, we certainly aren't a "nothing podunk town" like you have called many of our conference mates.
This one does.
That's nuts, but I suppose it makes senss with how narrow it is compared to most metros.
At any rate, again, Boca certainly has a lot to offer than Murfreesboro does not, but the differences are not as dramatic as you often claim, especially when it comes to being a "metro school". Murfreesboro and Rutherford County have been among the most rapidly growing cities/counties nationwide for some time.
(01-19-2018 11:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: First, thank you for the statistics lecture, I say that only very slightly tongue-in-cheek, I honestly do appreciate the length you went to explain your point.
With that said, I don't reference my own Twitter use as a rebuttal or to suggest that I represent the average Twitter user, not hardly, I'm merely pointing out one of the myriad of reasons that attempting to draw conclusions from just a number of Twitter followers is imprecise to put it mildly. You don't think any of those 410k followers are people like me? How many of them are athletes he recruited over the years? How many are fellow coaches and sports media members? 410k is an impressive number, especially for a G5 coach, but I still think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. I also don't see how his Twitter followers suggest that ESPN needs to cover him, lest they lose out to another network that does, following someone on Twitter doesn't mean you are just clamoring for information about that person any way you can get it.
I honestly don't see how what has been going on in this thread isn't intellectual discourse or how my opinion isn't cogent reasoning, just because we don't agree, doesn't make me a troll.
I merely reference his Twitter follower count as it's the only constant variable of his social media presence, but assert the need emerges from his social media engagement multiple times. You're really hung up on the quantifiability of that number. If you need an example of his social media engagement: (1)(2)(3). The only counterpoint you've offered is "Twitter followers don't mean anything," which hasn't even been an assertion of mine. I don't know how many other ways I can explain statistical inferences, market economies, or even delve into business finance, but if you'd like to discuss any of the topics further, I'd be more than happy to. And please reread my previous post in the meantime. You seem to avoid these topics and reiterate a number over and over again that is meaningless to this discussion. Then we could have an intellectual discourse. But until then... I'll be done with this dialogue.
(01-19-2018 03:04 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote: MTPiKapp is jealous of others success. He hates that it's not MTSU doing this and that everything he said about Kiffin before the season is wrong and instead of saying "Yea FAU good for your school for thinking outside of the box and bringing attention to the conference and your school.'' He has to fight it every step of the way. One thing is have realized the schools who have been playing football for 100 years is that they need the conference to raise their profile because they dodo does not offer anything of real worth down the road.
They just hate on UCF's FAU's FIU's UNCC's because the new guys are younger and sexier.
As always, I appreciate you speaking for me, as wrong as you may be, UCF certainly has success to be jealousenvious of most notably a pair of access bowl victories, but FAU, FIU, UNCC? Seriously? I'll give you the coverage for FAU since bringing Kiffin on is also something to be jealousenvious of, but it's going to take more than one season to establish something to truly envy and the inclusion of FIU is funny, UNCC? Really?
And for all your condescension, Murfreesboro is larger than Boca and Murfreesboro is closer to Nashville than Boca is to Miami.
From WPB to Miami its one huge metro area.
City size doesn't even matter when most people do not even know when they drive through one city into the next.
No, Owlcountry, metros do not stretch for 70 miles.
But just to be clear, my point was not to talk down about FAU, or Boca, or even to suggest Murfreesboro is better, I was simply pointing out that if FAU is a "metro school", so is Middle Tennessee, we certainly aren't a "nothing podunk town" like you have called many of our conference mates.
Ever heard of BosWash?
Regardless, a visitor driving from Jupiter (the extreme North of Palm Beach County) all the way down to Homestead (the extreme South of Miami-Dade County), which is what, about 150 miles (?), will never know when he/she leaves one town and enters another. In fact he (she) will never realize a town has changed. Yes, this metro area is about 150 miles long.
(01-19-2018 03:04 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote: MTPiKapp is jealous of others success. He hates that it's not MTSU doing this and that everything he said about Kiffin before the season is wrong and instead of saying "Yea FAU good for your school for thinking outside of the box and bringing attention to the conference and your school.'' He has to fight it every step of the way. One thing is have realized the schools who have been playing football for 100 years is that they need the conference to raise their profile because they dodo does not offer anything of real worth down the road.
They just hate on UCF's FAU's FIU's UNCC's because the new guys are younger and sexier.
As always, I appreciate you speaking for me, as wrong as you may be, UCF certainly has success to be jealousenvious of most notably a pair of access bowl victories, but FAU, FIU, UNCC? Seriously? I'll give you the coverage for FAU since bringing Kiffin on is also something to be jealousenvious of, but it's going to take more than one season to establish something to truly envy and the inclusion of FIU is funny, UNCC? Really?
And for all your condescension, Murfreesboro is larger than Boca and Murfreesboro is closer to Nashville than Boca is to Miami.
From WPB to Miami its one huge metro area.
City size doesn't even matter when most people do not even know when they drive through one city into the next.
No, Owlcountry, metros do not stretch for 70 miles.
But just to be clear, my point was not to talk down about FAU, or Boca, or even to suggest Murfreesboro is better, I was simply pointing out that if FAU is a "metro school", so is Middle Tennessee, we certainly aren't a "nothing podunk town" like you have called many of our conference mates.
Ever heard of BosWash?
Regardless, a visitor driving from Jupiter (the extreme North of Palm Beach County) all the way down to Homestead (the extreme South of Miami-Dade County), which is what, about 150 miles (?), will never know when he/she leaves one town and enters another. In fact he (she) will never realize a town has changed. Yes, this metro area is about 150 miles long.
Yeah, I didn't realize how narrow that metro is or how quickly you're in the Everglades driving west from Miami.
It's bizarre, I've been to WPB and I certainly didn't feel like I was in the Miami metro, but every metro I've personally known has expanded in all directions, rather than just north to south.
(01-19-2018 03:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: As always, I appreciate you speaking for me, as wrong as you may be, UCF certainly has success to be jealousenvious of most notably a pair of access bowl victories, but FAU, FIU, UNCC? Seriously? I'll give you the coverage for FAU since bringing Kiffin on is also something to be jealousenvious of, but it's going to take more than one season to establish something to truly envy and the inclusion of FIU is funny, UNCC? Really?
And for all your condescension, Murfreesboro is larger than Boca and Murfreesboro is closer to Nashville than Boca is to Miami.
From WPB to Miami its one huge metro area.
City size doesn't even matter when most people do not even know when they drive through one city into the next.
No, Owlcountry, metros do not stretch for 70 miles.
But just to be clear, my point was not to talk down about FAU, or Boca, or even to suggest Murfreesboro is better, I was simply pointing out that if FAU is a "metro school", so is Middle Tennessee, we certainly aren't a "nothing podunk town" like you have called many of our conference mates.
This one does.
That's nuts, but I suppose it makes senss with how narrow it is compared to most metros.
At any rate, again, Boca certainly has a lot to offer than Murfreesboro does not, but the differences are not as dramatic as you often claim, especially when it comes to being a "metro school". Murfreesboro and Rutherford County have been among the most rapidly growing cities/counties nationwide for some time.
As someone who’s lived in South Florida for 10 years of my life Metros do stretch for 70 miles. You do realize South Florida is pretty much the coast. Because we have the Everglades 10-15 miles west of the Ocean traffic basically only flows north and south.
Also, South Florida is a collection of 100+ small cities, if you google stats you’re not really going to understand that you can drive through 5 cities with a population of 100,000 each in the blink of an eye.
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(01-19-2018 04:52 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote: From WPB to Miami its one huge metro area.
City size doesn't even matter when most people do not even know when they drive through one city into the next.
No, Owlcountry, metros do not stretch for 70 miles.
But just to be clear, my point was not to talk down about FAU, or Boca, or even to suggest Murfreesboro is better, I was simply pointing out that if FAU is a "metro school", so is Middle Tennessee, we certainly aren't a "nothing podunk town" like you have called many of our conference mates.
This one does.
That's nuts, but I suppose it makes senss with how narrow it is compared to most metros.
At any rate, again, Boca certainly has a lot to offer than Murfreesboro does not, but the differences are not as dramatic as you often claim, especially when it comes to being a "metro school". Murfreesboro and Rutherford County have been among the most rapidly growing cities/counties nationwide for some time.
As someone who’s lived in South Florida for 10 years of my life Metros do stretch for 70 miles. You do realize South Florida is pretty much the coast. Because we have the Everglades 10-15 miles west of the Ocean traffic basically only flows north and south.
Also, South Florida is a collection of 120 small cities, if you google stats you’re not really going to understand that you can drive through 5 cities with a population of 100,000 each in the blink of an eye.
(01-19-2018 12:40 PM)Luckyshot Wrote: Also, not sure why "fair and equitable" are not legit reasons for G5 teams to be given a chance.
Because life isn't fair or equitable, ESPN and the sports media at large aren't about what's fair, they're about driving traffic to their sites and viewers to their networks and the entire G5 may not bring as much of that as one P5 conference, hell the entire G5 may not bring as much traffic/viewership as say... as the top half dozen or so programs, however you define that.
Life isn't fair, so it's okay that it's inequitable? So it's also okay that the rich can get away with murder if they have a good lawyer and have paid off the right people? Likewise the homeless freezing to death in winter is okay and the Civil Rights Movement shouldn't have happened? And then you'll say, "You're comparing college athletics to these real and serious issues?" And I'd say, "Yes, because they follow the same ridiculous 'logic' as your statement."
(01-19-2018 11:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: I also don't see how his Twitter followers suggest that ESPN needs to cover him, lest they lose out to another network that does,
That doesn't have to suggest that ESPN needs to cover him. ESPN IS covering him.
(01-19-2018 03:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: As always, I appreciate you speaking for me, as wrong as you may be, UCF certainly has success to be jealousenvious of most notably a pair of access bowl victories, but FAU, FIU, UNCC? Seriously? I'll give you the coverage for FAU since bringing Kiffin on is also something to be jealousenvious of, but it's going to take more than one season to establish something to truly envy and the inclusion of FIU is funny, UNCC? Really?
And for all your condescension, Murfreesboro is larger than Boca and Murfreesboro is closer to Nashville than Boca is to Miami.
From WPB to Miami its one huge metro area.
City size doesn't even matter when most people do not even know when they drive through one city into the next.
No, Owlcountry, metros do not stretch for 70 miles.
But just to be clear, my point was not to talk down about FAU, or Boca, or even to suggest Murfreesboro is better, I was simply pointing out that if FAU is a "metro school", so is Middle Tennessee, we certainly aren't a "nothing podunk town" like you have called many of our conference mates.
Ever heard of BosWash?
Regardless, a visitor driving from Jupiter (the extreme North of Palm Beach County) all the way down to Homestead (the extreme South of Miami-Dade County), which is what, about 150 miles (?), will never know when he/she leaves one town and enters another. In fact he (she) will never realize a town has changed. Yes, this metro area is about 150 miles long.
Yeah, I didn't realize how narrow that metro is or how quickly you're in the Everglades driving west from Miami.
It's bizarre, I've been to WPB and I certainly didn't feel like I was in the Miami metro, but every metro I've personally known has expanded in all directions, rather than just north to south.
Two neighboring communities of Little Havana and Miami Beach do not look like they belong in the same metro but they are next to each other.
WPB, certainly, belongs in the South Florida metro (do not call it Miami metro)
(01-19-2018 04:52 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote: From WPB to Miami its one huge metro area.
City size doesn't even matter when most people do not even know when they drive through one city into the next.
No, Owlcountry, metros do not stretch for 70 miles.
But just to be clear, my point was not to talk down about FAU, or Boca, or even to suggest Murfreesboro is better, I was simply pointing out that if FAU is a "metro school", so is Middle Tennessee, we certainly aren't a "nothing podunk town" like you have called many of our conference mates.
Ever heard of BosWash?
Regardless, a visitor driving from Jupiter (the extreme North of Palm Beach County) all the way down to Homestead (the extreme South of Miami-Dade County), which is what, about 150 miles (?), will never know when he/she leaves one town and enters another. In fact he (she) will never realize a town has changed. Yes, this metro area is about 150 miles long.
Yeah, I didn't realize how narrow that metro is or how quickly you're in the Everglades driving west from Miami.
It's bizarre, I've been to WPB and I certainly didn't feel like I was in the Miami metro, but every metro I've personally known has expanded in all directions, rather than just north to south.
Two neighboring communities of Little Havana and Miami Beach do not look like they belong in the same metro but they are next to each other.
WPB, certainly, belongs in the South Florida metro (do not call it Miami metro)
It is definitely the South Florida Metro. I was born in Fort Lauderdale and both Miami and West Palm were very accessible. People from out of the state have some weird obsession with Miami because the fantasy land branding, but South Florida doesn’t revolve around Miami. I love how outsiders can tell us about where we have lived for years. Then they throw out homestead (farm land) and Jupiter (small suburb that’s finally growing). They should stop using extremes. I actually had co-workers who would commute from Miami to Boca.
Boca Raton is 45 miles from Miami. By far, those 45 miles are the most densely populated parts of the Metro. Both Boca Raton and Miami are a part of the South Florida Metro. Case closed. No more people from Tennessee who “visted” telling locals who have lived there for decades how it goes.
(01-19-2018 12:40 PM)Luckyshot Wrote: Also, not sure why "fair and equitable" are not legit reasons for G5 teams to be given a chance.
Because life isn't fair or equitable, ESPN and the sports media at large aren't about what's fair, they're about driving traffic to their sites and viewers to their networks and the entire G5 may not bring as much of that as one P5 conference, hell the entire G5 may not bring as much traffic/viewership as say... as the top half dozen or so programs, however you define that.
Life isn't fair, so it's okay that it's inequitable? So it's also okay that the rich can get away with murder if they have a good lawyer and have paid off the right people? Likewise the homeless freezing to death in winter is okay and the Civil Rights Movement shouldn't have happened? And then you'll say, "You're comparing college athletics to these real and serious issues?" And I'd say, "Yes, because they follow the same ridiculous 'logic' as your statement."
Wow...
I don't even know how to respond to your ridiculous strawman argument.
For starters, there's a difference between acknowledging a problem and saying it's okay, but in no way, by no metric, does your hilariously bad argument have anything to do with inequitable coverage in college sports.
Are you really suggesting that Southern Miss should get equal coverage as Alabama, much in the same way that a poor man and a rich man should have the same access to a fair trial? The civil rights movement? Reeeeeeeeaaaaallllly? Southern Miss should be entitled to the same coverage as Ohio State like how people of all races/ethnicities should have the same rights?
(01-19-2018 04:52 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote: From WPB to Miami its one huge metro area.
City size doesn't even matter when most people do not even know when they drive through one city into the next.
No, Owlcountry, metros do not stretch for 70 miles.
But just to be clear, my point was not to talk down about FAU, or Boca, or even to suggest Murfreesboro is better, I was simply pointing out that if FAU is a "metro school", so is Middle Tennessee, we certainly aren't a "nothing podunk town" like you have called many of our conference mates.
Ever heard of BosWash?
Regardless, a visitor driving from Jupiter (the extreme North of Palm Beach County) all the way down to Homestead (the extreme South of Miami-Dade County), which is what, about 150 miles (?), will never know when he/she leaves one town and enters another. In fact he (she) will never realize a town has changed. Yes, this metro area is about 150 miles long.
Yeah, I didn't realize how narrow that metro is or how quickly you're in the Everglades driving west from Miami.
It's bizarre, I've been to WPB and I certainly didn't feel like I was in the Miami metro, but every metro I've personally known has expanded in all directions, rather than just north to south.
Two neighboring communities of Little Havana and Miami Beach do not look like they belong in the same metro but they are next to each other.
WPB, certainly, belongs in the South Florida metro (do not call it Miami metro)
Yeah, I wasn't debating WPB's place in the metro at that point, simply explaining why it sounded so crazy to me at first.
article from today...so the contract still hasn't happened and his buyout is shrinking...
I'm not reading that contract the same way the author is.
Quote:But the clause also states, "In the event the current University President and Athletic Director are no longer serving in those capacities at any time during the term, each of the forgoing amounts are reduced by half."
Pat Chun left the FAU athletic director job for Washington State's AD job in January. So, it seems after next season, it will cost Kiffin or a school desiring Kiffin only $750,000 to buy his freedom.
That says President AND AD...Not President OR AD. So unless the president left along with the AD, I don't think that buyout is cut in half.
