(09-08-2017 09:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 07:05 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  I see the danger in the vast majority of colleges and universities pushing liberalism upon the student population. Colleges are supposed to be about open debate, not about shutting down free speech just because it isn't from a liberal viewpoint.

Science is not a liberal conspiracy.

This isn't the bible where you can pick and choose, like condemning homosexuals, but eating shrimp, or wearing mixed fibers, et al.

It's amazing how people are so desperate for the scientific information when a massive hurricaine is bearing down on them, but quick to dismiss anything they simply don't want to agree on.

Creationism is the opposite of science and young earth creationism is a middle finger to science.

Wanna make America great again? Stop allowing universities to be accreddited while teaching this nonsense.

All I'm going to say is two things:

1. According to one Liberty fan (can't remember who), creationism is taught @ Liberty as a philosophy class, not as a science class. Big difference, and even according to you, acceptable, because philosophy is definitely not science.
2. Look up the old Scopes trial on Google sometime. Up until the Scopes trial, both evolution & creationism were taught as science by the state of Tennessee . I rest my case.

Btw, bravo to Liberty in inviting Bernie Sanders to come & speak.

(09-12-2017 03:32 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 09:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 07:05 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  I see the danger in the vast majority of colleges and universities pushing liberalism upon the student population. Colleges are supposed to be about open debate, not about shutting down free speech just because it isn't from a liberal viewpoint.

Science is not a liberal conspiracy.

This isn't the bible where you can pick and choose, like condemning homosexuals, but eating shrimp, or wearing mixed fibers, et al.

It's amazing how people are so desperate for the scientific information when a massive hurricaine is bearing down on them, but quick to dismiss anything they simply don't want to agree on.

Creationism is the opposite of science and young earth creationism is a middle finger to science.

Wanna make America great again? Stop allowing universities to be accreddited while teaching this nonsense.

All I'm going to say is two things:

1. According to one Liberty fan (can't remember who), creationism is taught @ Liberty as a philosophy class, not as a science class. Big difference, and even according to you, acceptable, because philosophy is definitely not science.
2. Look up the old Scopes trial on Google sometime. Up until the Scopes trial, both evolution & creationism were taught as science by the state of Tennessee . I rest my case.

Btw, bravo to Liberty in inviting Bernie Sanders to come & speak.

I'm not from Tennessee, nor did I attend anything other than college there, but even if I had, I fail to see what public school curriculum from nearly a century ago has to do with this discussion. Hell you don't even have to go back that far to find doctors recommending smoking cigarettes, you only have to go back a decade or two before Scopes to find cocaine used as medicine.

So if Liberty started teaching that cigarettes weren't harmful, would that be okay because doctors reccommended them far more recently than the Scopes trial? Or if they started advocating for cocaine as medicine, would that be okay because round about the same time as the Scopes trial that was common practice?

I'm really not sure what you believe you are "resting your case" on, but...well...

(09-08-2017 09:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 07:05 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  I see the danger in the vast majority of colleges and universities pushing liberalism upon the student population. Colleges are supposed to be about open debate, not about shutting down free speech just because it isn't from a liberal viewpoint.

Science is not a liberal conspiracy.

This isn't the bible where you can pick and choose, like condemning homosexuals, but eating shrimp, or wearing mixed fibers, et al.

It's amazing how people are so desperate for the scientific information when a massive hurricaine is bearing down on them, but quick to dismiss anything they simply don't want to agree on.

Creationism is the opposite of science and young earth creationism is a middle finger to science.

Wanna make America great again? Stop allowing universities to be accreddited while teaching this nonsense.

Mic drop

(09-12-2017 06:03 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 09:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 07:05 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  I see the danger in the vast majority of colleges and universities pushing liberalism upon the student population. Colleges are supposed to be about open debate, not about shutting down free speech just because it isn't from a liberal viewpoint.

Science is not a liberal conspiracy.

This isn't the bible where you can pick and choose, like condemning homosexuals, but eating shrimp, or wearing mixed fibers, et al.

It's amazing how people are so desperate for the scientific information when a massive hurricaine is bearing down on them, but quick to dismiss anything they simply don't want to agree on.

Creationism is the opposite of science and young earth creationism is a middle finger to science.

Wanna make America great again? Stop allowing universities to be accreddited while teaching this nonsense.

Mic drop

Science has not even cured the common cold? It's good but at times inaccurate. Anyone who swallows evolution hook line and sinker believes at one time they were shrimp bait.

(09-12-2017 07:17 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 06:03 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 09:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 07:05 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  I see the danger in the vast majority of colleges and universities pushing liberalism upon the student population. Colleges are supposed to be about open debate, not about shutting down free speech just because it isn't from a liberal viewpoint.

Science is not a liberal conspiracy.

This isn't the bible where you can pick and choose, like condemning homosexuals, but eating shrimp, or wearing mixed fibers, et al.

It's amazing how people are so desperate for the scientific information when a massive hurricaine is bearing down on them, but quick to dismiss anything they simply don't want to agree on.

Creationism is the opposite of science and young earth creationism is a middle finger to science.

Wanna make America great again? Stop allowing universities to be accreddited while teaching this nonsense.

Mic drop

Science has not even cured the common cold? It's good but at times inaccurate. Anyone who swallows evolution hook line and sinker believes at one time they were shrimp bait.

So since we call it "common" you expect it to be simple? We could come up with a cold vaccine that would prevent some colds but since there are hundreds of different viruses that can be called a "cold" and the viruses can change slightly from year to year it seems a lot easier for you to just suck it up. Cause it's a ******* cold. Evolution happened. Suck it up.

Can't believe you fools are going to suck me into this.

Bottom line. Evolution is a scientific proven phenomenon. It's not a theory. Evolution is proven.

For evolution to be a thing, however, you have to have some sort of creation. **** can't just evolve from nothing. Big Bang is just a theory, and as such its a difficult jump to just come to the conclusion that it all just "happened." It is also difficult to believe in some sort of higher power. Both are hard to comprehend. There is a lot we don't understand as humans.

That said, there is nothing wrong with Faith and believing in a higher power. Pretty naive I would think that the human race is as good as it gets. It's ok to believe in both God and evolution IMO. It's not just the people who wrote the Bible who are the only ones that witnessed Jesus, so there is some evidence there even if it isn't as errorless as some would say. And certainly isn't anything wrong with teaching it at a private university if that's where people want to go and spend their money.

(09-12-2017 08:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Can't believe you fools are going to suck me into this.

Bottom line. Evolution is a scientific proven phenomenon. It's not a theory. Evolution is proven.

For evolution to be a thing, however, you have to have some sort of creation. **** can't just evolve from nothing. Big Bang is just a theory, and as such its a difficult jump to just come to the conclusion that it all just "happened." It is also difficult to believe in some sort of higher power. Both are hard to comprehend. There is a lot we don't understand as humans.

That said, there is nothing wrong with Faith and believing in a higher power. Pretty naive I would think that the human race is as good as it gets. It's ok to believe in both God and evolution IMO. It's not just the people who wrote the Bible who are the only ones that witnessed Jesus, so there is some evidence there even if it isn't as errorless as some would say. And certainly isn't anything wrong with teaching it at a private university if that's where people want to go and spend their money.

To be perfectly fair and accurate, scientifically speaking both creationism and evolution are, and always will be, theories. To be a fact according to the scientific methodology a theory can only be fact if it is repeatable; neither are. Sorry to throw in science into a philosophy debate.

(09-12-2017 08:25 PM)FTW ODU Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 08:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Can't believe you fools are going to suck me into this.

Bottom line. Evolution is a scientific proven phenomenon. It's not a theory. Evolution is proven.

For evolution to be a thing, however, you have to have some sort of creation. **** can't just evolve from nothing. Big Bang is just a theory, and as such its a difficult jump to just come to the conclusion that it all just "happened." It is also difficult to believe in some sort of higher power. Both are hard to comprehend. There is a lot we don't understand as humans.

That said, there is nothing wrong with Faith and believing in a higher power. Pretty naive I would think that the human race is as good as it gets. It's ok to believe in both God and evolution IMO. It's not just the people who wrote the Bible who are the only ones that witnessed Jesus, so there is some evidence there even if it isn't as errorless as some would say. And certainly isn't anything wrong with teaching it at a private university if that's where people want to go and spend their money.

To be perfectly fair and accurate, scientifically speaking both creationism and evolution are, and always will be, theories. To be a fact according to the scientific methodology a theory can only be fact if it is repeatable; neither are. Sorry to throw in science into a philosophy debate.

Finally some intelligence

(09-12-2017 08:25 PM)FTW ODU Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 08:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Can't believe you fools are going to suck me into this.

Bottom line. Evolution is a scientific proven phenomenon. It's not a theory. Evolution is proven.

For evolution to be a thing, however, you have to have some sort of creation. **** can't just evolve from nothing. Big Bang is just a theory, and as such its a difficult jump to just come to the conclusion that it all just "happened." It is also difficult to believe in some sort of higher power. Both are hard to comprehend. There is a lot we don't understand as humans.

That said, there is nothing wrong with Faith and believing in a higher power. Pretty naive I would think that the human race is as good as it gets. It's ok to believe in both God and evolution IMO. It's not just the people who wrote the Bible who are the only ones that witnessed Jesus, so there is some evidence there even if it isn't as errorless as some would say. And certainly isn't anything wrong with teaching it at a private university if that's where people want to go and spend their money.

To be perfectly fair and accurate, scientifically speaking both creationism and evolution are, and always will be, theories. To be a fact according to the scientific methodology a theory can only be fact if it is repeatable; neither are. Sorry to throw in science into a philosophy debate.

The fact that evolution and creationism are both theories does not make them equal in the eyes of science.

Evolution is a theory because it's not 100% provable, creationism is a theory because it's not 100% disprovable.

Mountains of evidence for one, books written thousands of years ago for the other.

Again, I'm not saying creationism is inaccurate, but comparing the two because they're both theories is disingenuous at best and willfully ignorant at worst.

(09-12-2017 09:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 08:25 PM)FTW ODU Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 08:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Can't believe you fools are going to suck me into this.

Bottom line. Evolution is a scientific proven phenomenon. It's not a theory. Evolution is proven.

For evolution to be a thing, however, you have to have some sort of creation. **** can't just evolve from nothing. Big Bang is just a theory, and as such its a difficult jump to just come to the conclusion that it all just "happened." It is also difficult to believe in some sort of higher power. Both are hard to comprehend. There is a lot we don't understand as humans.

That said, there is nothing wrong with Faith and believing in a higher power. Pretty naive I would think that the human race is as good as it gets. It's ok to believe in both God and evolution IMO. It's not just the people who wrote the Bible who are the only ones that witnessed Jesus, so there is some evidence there even if it isn't as errorless as some would say. And certainly isn't anything wrong with teaching it at a private university if that's where people want to go and spend their money.

To be perfectly fair and accurate, scientifically speaking both creationism and evolution are, and always will be, theories. To be a fact according to the scientific methodology a theory can only be fact if it is repeatable; neither are. Sorry to throw in science into a philosophy debate.

The fact that evolution and creationism are both theories does not make them equal in the eyes of science.

Evolution is a theory because it's not 100% provable, creationism is a theory because it's not 100% disprovable.

Mountains of evidence for one, books written thousands of years ago for the other.

Again, I'm not saying creationism is inaccurate, but comparing the two because they're both theories is disingenuous at best and willfully ignorant at worst.

Oh I agree, I was just pointing out that neither theory is more or less than the other since neither can ever be proven as fact (until time travel is invented).

(09-12-2017 09:38 PM)FTW ODU Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 09:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 08:25 PM)FTW ODU Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 08:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Can't believe you fools are going to suck me into this.

Bottom line. Evolution is a scientific proven phenomenon. It's not a theory. Evolution is proven.

For evolution to be a thing, however, you have to have some sort of creation. **** can't just evolve from nothing. Big Bang is just a theory, and as such its a difficult jump to just come to the conclusion that it all just "happened." It is also difficult to believe in some sort of higher power. Both are hard to comprehend. There is a lot we don't understand as humans.

That said, there is nothing wrong with Faith and believing in a higher power. Pretty naive I would think that the human race is as good as it gets. It's ok to believe in both God and evolution IMO. It's not just the people who wrote the Bible who are the only ones that witnessed Jesus, so there is some evidence there even if it isn't as errorless as some would say. And certainly isn't anything wrong with teaching it at a private university if that's where people want to go and spend their money.

To be perfectly fair and accurate, scientifically speaking both creationism and evolution are, and always will be, theories. To be a fact according to the scientific methodology a theory can only be fact if it is repeatable; neither are. Sorry to throw in science into a philosophy debate.

The fact that evolution and creationism are both theories does not make them equal in the eyes of science.

Evolution is a theory because it's not 100% provable, creationism is a theory because it's not 100% disprovable.

Mountains of evidence for one, books written thousands of years ago for the other.

Again, I'm not saying creationism is inaccurate, but comparing the two because they're both theories is disingenuous at best and willfully ignorant at worst.

Oh I agree, I was just pointing out that neither theory is more or less than the other since neither can ever be proven as fact (until time travel is invented).

False, not all theories are err...created equally.

Personally I take exception to anyone claiming to know there is or isn't a God. It is unknowable.

Evolution is real, doesn't mean that's where we all came from, but evolution in general is proven.

What I can't understand is how someone that believes that there is an almighty, omnipotent, creator, beyond the realm of human comprehension, that exists outside the concept of time as we understand it, can in turn, be so dismissive of the idea that over the course of billions of years humans evolved from "shrimp bait".

How is the latter any more ridiculous than the former?

The title of this thread contrasted with the topic currently being discussed validates the theory of evolution.

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One thing is for sure from reading over this. Not everyone is a believer.

(09-12-2017 10:24 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  One thing is for sure from reading over this. Not everyone is a believer.

I hope this revelation didn't really come from this thread...

The non-religious are now the country's largest religious voting bloc

The World's Newest Major Religion: No Religion

(09-12-2017 10:32 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 10:24 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  One thing is for sure from reading over this. Not everyone is a believer.

I hope this revelation didn't really come from this thread...

The non-religious are now the country's largest religious voting bloc

The World's Newest Major Religion: No Religion

I have never met a man that evolved from a monkey, but I have met a few men who made an ass of their self.

(09-12-2017 10:38 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 10:32 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 10:24 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  One thing is for sure from reading over this. Not everyone is a believer.

I hope this revelation didn't really come from this thread...

The non-religious are now the country's largest religious voting bloc

The World's Newest Major Religion: No Religion

I have never met a man that evolved from a monkey, but I have met a few men who made an ass of their self.

You in fact do not know if you've ever met a man that evolved from a monkey, but I bet you feel really good about yourself every time you borrow that joke.

(09-12-2017 10:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 10:38 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 10:32 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 10:24 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  One thing is for sure from reading over this. Not everyone is a believer.

I hope this revelation didn't really come from this thread...

The non-religious are now the country's largest religious voting bloc

The World's Newest Major Religion: No Religion

I have never met a man that evolved from a monkey, but I have met a few men who made an ass of their self.

You in fact do not know if you've ever met a man that evolved from a monkey, but I bet you feel really good about yourself every time you borrow that joke.

Well, heck fire if you are so convinced you evolved from a monkey invite me to your next family reunion and I will bring the bananas. That adds a whole new meaning to byob!

(09-12-2017 11:13 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 10:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 10:38 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 10:32 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 10:24 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  One thing is for sure from reading over this. Not everyone is a believer.

I hope this revelation didn't really come from this thread...

The non-religious are now the country's largest religious voting bloc

The World's Newest Major Religion: No Religion

I have never met a man that evolved from a monkey, but I have met a few men who made an ass of their self.

You in fact do not know if you've ever met a man that evolved from a monkey, but I bet you feel really good about yourself every time you borrow that joke.

Well, heck fire if you are so convinced you evolved from a monkey invite me to your next family reunion and I will bring the bananas. That adds a whole new meaning to byob!

I'm not convinced of anything beyond the fact that you don't know any more than I do.

Ah yes, God created the heavens and the earth over seven days(except they weren't really days, or were they?) amd oh yeah, he existed before that, because he always existed, right?

This you believe because of books written thousands of years ago by men no different than you or me, but the notion that we share an evolutionary link with modern primates is somehow utterly ridiculous?

The difference between you and me is I'm not making jokes or telling you that you're wrong for having faith in what you've chosen to believe in, but you're offering to "bring bananas" to my next family reunion for merely suggesting it is not possible to know whether or not we were created or evolved.

The difference between you and me is, my belief system isn't predicated on convincing myself that I know I'm right. I understand how important that is to you, so I'll respectfully bow out.

Apes. Monkeys have tails.