(04-12-2017 02:18 PM)Rocco Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 01:19 PM)TribePride52 Wrote:  If they decide to go to a 12 game schedule, when would it take effect?

2018.

I wonder how this will effect the play-offs, adds one more game to a long season

(04-12-2017 02:26 PM)Biggjohn43 Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 02:18 PM)Rocco Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 01:19 PM)TribePride52 Wrote:  If they decide to go to a 12 game schedule, when would it take effect?

2018.

I wonder how this will effect the play-offs, adds one more game to a long season

The article says it would be played the Saturday prior to Labor Day, so wouldn't affect playoffs at all. It sounds like it would be optional, though knowing the way the selection committee works, almost everyone will opt to play it.

(04-12-2017 09:05 AM)TribePride52 Wrote:  Having 12 games "should" result in an even number in away and home games. I don't see why it won't happen.

Please explain to me how you get six annual home games out of a 12 game schedule.

Let's start with twelve games.

There are 8 CAA games, four home and four away.

That leaves four games.

There is the annual FBS game away.

That leaves three games.

How do you get two home games out of three on an annual basis?

You don't. If we go to 12 games, we will get 6 home games once every 2 years at best, but still have only 5 home games for most years.

(04-12-2017 05:14 PM)nj alum Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 09:05 AM)TribePride52 Wrote:  Having 12 games "should" result in an even number in away and home games. I don't see why it won't happen.

Please explain to me how you get six annual home games out of a 12 game schedule.

Let's start with twelve games.

There are 8 CAA games, four home and four away.

That leaves four games.

There is the annual FBS game away.

That leaves three games.

How do you get two home games out of three on an annual basis?

You have to stagger out return games. It's doable but it requires creativity. Plus you run the risk of teams cancelling and leaving a hole in the schedule. The other possibility is bringing in Division II teams and paying them to play at Zable.

I'm still not understanding. Unless you pay someone for a one and done at Zable, it doesn't work.

Year One:

UVa (A)
Hampton (H)
Norfolk (A)
?

Year Two:

VPI (A)
Hampton (A)
Norfolk (H)
?

What am I missing?

You push the return game out for more than a season.

2018: Home to Hampton, Home to Lafayette, @ NSU
2019: Away to Hampton, Home to NSU, Home to Penn
2020: @ Lafayette, Home to Hampton, Home to Howard
2021: @Penn, Home to NSU, D-2 game

And so on. In 2022 you'd return to Hampton, 2023 to Howard, etc. And before you say "no one does this", it's common. VT and PSU play in 2020 and 2025. They played @Purdue in 2015 and Purdue returns the favor in 2023. UVA hosted Oregon in 2013 and went there in 2016. It takes work but 1-A teams do this so they can always have at least 7 if not 8 home games.

2022- at Hampton. Who are the two home games?
2023- at Howard. Who are the two home games?

Without the one and done, isn't this a Ponzi scheme?

Not trying to be thick, but don't see how this can keep up over a ten year period.

(04-12-2017 08:17 PM)nj alum Wrote:  2022- at Hampton. Who are the two home games?
2023- at Howard. Who are the two home games?

Without the one and done, isn't this a Ponzi scheme?

Not trying to be thick, but don't see how this can keep up over a ten year period.

2022- Penn and Lafayette. Return the favor for Penn in 2024 and Lafayette in 2025.
2023- Pick any two teams you want, return the favor in 2026 and 2027. You could even go further out than that if you want.

This is fairly common at the 1-A level. If you have a hole in the schedule one year, you plug it with a D-2 team.

You owe NSU an away game for 2021 trip to Zable. When does that happen?

When do I next have an open spot- 2028? If they want it sooner than that, bump Penn to 2028.

Seriously, here's UCLA's future schedule. I used them because the Pac-12 has a 9 game conference schedule so they have only 3 OOC games a year to fill. http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/pac-10/ucla-bruins.php

They have things figured out way in advance, and they fill in holes. This isn't rocket science, you just need a big whiteboard, some markers and available teams. And yes, there will be years they get stuck playing a Division 2 team, and we'll complain mightily but watch anyway.

I gotta side with NJ alum on this. Rocco's analysis reminds me a lot of government budgeting... keep borrowing home games from the future so you don't have to go on the road now, and eventually, the bill comes due.

(04-12-2017 09:27 PM)Rocco Wrote:  When do I next have an open spot- 2028? If they want it sooner than that, bump Penn to 2028.

Seriously, here's UCLA's future schedule. I used them because the Pac-12 has a 9 game conference schedule so they have only 3 OOC games a year to fill. http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/pac-10/ucla-bruins.php

They have things figured out way in advance, and they fill in holes. This isn't rocket science, you just need a big whiteboard, some markers and available teams. And yes, there will be years they get stuck playing a Division 2 team, and we'll complain mightily but watch anyway.

I think (may be basketball but I think it applies to football as well) that we need the money games and don't really pay for other games so are we really going to play the D-II teams? If that is true, it will be impossible with a 12 game schedule and an FBS away game to go 2 for 1 home/away otherwise every year. If we are willing to pay D-II teams to play us (or pay an FCS team), we'd have to average that every year except for 1 or 2 years because otherwise you fall too far behind. If we can get 2 homes for 1 away against certain teams somehow, then it may work but once again, I think we'd have to pay out to do 2 homes every year with an FBS team and not sure we are willing to do it.

Here is how it would go if we wanted to 2 homes every year with an FBS as well assuming no 2 for 1 deals and bringing in a DII team:

2018 - @FBS, @FCSA, FCSB, FCSC
2019 - @FBS, FCSA, @FCSB, DII
2020 - @FBS, @FCSC, FCSD, FCSE
2021 - @FBS, @FCSD, FCSF, DII
2022 - @FBS, @FCSE, FCSG, DII
2023 - @FBS, @FCSF, FCSH, DII
2024 - @FBS, @FCSG, FCSI, DII
2025 - @FBS, @FCSH, FCSJ, DII
...

As you can see from the UCLA schedule (start in 2018 because the 2017 games were backend games of previous seasons except for home versus Hawaii which was never returned), they have Fresno State come to them 3 games and never return, and South Alabama, Coastal Carolina, and New Mexico are all home games with no return. All away games they have a home return

If we are willing to pay, you are correct that it is doable. Otherwise, not so much with 2/2 with an FBS game.

(04-12-2017 07:31 PM)Rocco Wrote:  2018: Home to Hampton, Home to Lafayette, @ NSU
2019: Away to Hampton, Home to NSU, Home to Penn
2020: @ Lafayette, Home to Hampton, Home to Howard
2021: @Penn, Home to NSU, D-2 game

Is this the actual schedule for those years or just an illustration? If it is the actual schedule then it is a travesty.

First off, we should NEVER play a Div. 2 team (the last time I can remember it happening was in 1988 when we played Wofford the week after we went to Georgia). I would rather travel to Idaho or Cal Poly or Central Arkansas (for money or not) than foul our schedule with D-2.

Secondly, I am all for playing Hampton and Norfolk State - on a ROTATING basis. That is, we don't have to play them both every year. Then adding Howard to the mix? We gain nothing (strength of schedule wise) by playing multiple MEACs. I have no problem with Lafayette or Penn (but we should rotate them with the Lehighs, Bucknells, Harvards, Princetons as well).

(04-12-2017 10:05 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 07:31 PM)Rocco Wrote:  2018: Home to Hampton, Home to Lafayette, @ NSU
2019: Away to Hampton, Home to NSU, Home to Penn
2020: @ Lafayette, Home to Hampton, Home to Howard
2021: @Penn, Home to NSU, D-2 game

Is this the actual schedule for those years or just an illustration? If it is the actual schedule then it is a travesty.

First off, we should NEVER play a Div. 2 team (the last time I can remember it happening was in 1988 when we played Wofford the week after we went to Georgia). I would rather travel to Idaho or Cal Poly or Central Arkansas (for money or not) than foul our schedule with D-2.

Secondly, I am all for playing Hampton and Norfolk State - on a ROTATING basis. That is, we don't have to play them both every year. Then adding Howard to the mix? We gain nothing (strength of schedule wise) by playing multiple MEACs. I have no problem with Lafayette or Penn (but we should rotate them with the Lehighs, Bucknells, Harvards, Princetons as well).

I can't answer if that is the actual schedule but we played New Haven in 2011. I believe they are D-2, and as I recall gave us fits for most of the game.

Occasionally we may have to pay for a second home game, as we did with Norfolk State a couple of years ago. Getting six home games from a 12 game schedule is more than doable. Beyond MEAC and Patriot teams there are plenty of other FCS schools to work with. Big South and Pioneer have many teams relatively close. Campbell is going scholarship. Should never have a DII.

(04-12-2017 10:05 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 07:31 PM)Rocco Wrote:  2018: Home to Hampton, Home to Lafayette, @ NSU
2019: Away to Hampton, Home to NSU, Home to Penn
2020: @ Lafayette, Home to Hampton, Home to Howard
2021: @Penn, Home to NSU, D-2 game

Is this the actual schedule for those years or just an illustration? If it is the actual schedule then it is a travesty.

First off, we should NEVER play a Div. 2 team (the last time I can remember it happening was in 1988 when we played Wofford the week after we went to Georgia). I would rather travel to Idaho or Cal Poly or Central Arkansas (for money or not) than foul our schedule with D-2.

Secondly, I am all for playing Hampton and Norfolk State - on a ROTATING basis. That is, we don't have to play them both every year. Then adding Howard to the mix? We gain nothing (strength of schedule wise) by playing multiple MEACs. I have no problem with Lafayette or Penn (but we should rotate them with the Lehighs, Bucknells, Harvards, Princetons as well).

I just pulled names of schools at random. And if the CAA remains a good football conference then expect W&M to fatten up on MEAC/Patriot teams. I think the last time we had a home/home with a top tier 1-AA team was Furman years ago.

Anyway, it's likely moot, because if the schedule expands the CAA likely goes to a 9 game schedule so teams play each other on a more regular basis.

(04-12-2017 11:02 PM)Tribe1693 Wrote:  I can't answer if that is the actual schedule but we played New Haven in 2011. I believe they are D-2, and as I recall gave us fits for most of the game.

You recall correctly. That game was a nightmare.

I don't think it's impossible to think there are one home/done options for W&M. We do play Bucknell at home this year with no return that I'm aware - same with Colgate the following year.

We rank 24th in FCS attendance so rather than look for D2 games, just look for lower level FCS teams that won't qualify for a return game - Pioneer (Jacksonville, Davidson, Dayton) or NEC options (Duquesne, Central CT) - or teams like Bucknell and Colgate. Maybe VMI. Why go to D2.

Don't understand the affinity for these multiple MEAC games. We have little in common other than proximity. One per year at most is plenty.

(04-12-2017 11:02 PM)Tribe1693 Wrote:  I can't answer if that is the actual schedule but we played New Haven in 2011. I believe they are D-2, and as I recall gave us fits for most of the game.

Ah yes, I forgot about that one. Anyway, we gain nothing by ever playing D-2. We get no credit for the win from the selection committee and heaven forbid if we were to lose then kiss that season goodbye.

Rocco -- Thanks for clarifying about the schedule. I am relieved to read that it is not official. How far out does anyone know the schedule? It seems like we are only told about future schedules one year at a time. We should at least know who the FBS teams are that we will be playing for the next 3-4 years. I think that I heard somewhere that it will be Tech in 2018.