With a new AD with a fund raising background, a significant upswing in giving that has been realized in the past few years and a master plan to provide a championship experience for all athletics, we should be at an inflection point.

We hope to see that translated into better experiences and tools for the coaches and players.

We all have differing ideas, but one goal, to see the Tribe succeed athletically to a greater extent than it has historically. We are poised to help that happen with our time and treasure, as each is able as the increased giving indicates.

I'm afraid that if we continue with business as usual in the athletic department, this could be a high tide that recedes as quickly as rose. I feel this is a good opportunity for our new AD to implement change and improve our athletic performance and programs in ways that will be noticeable to all.

(03-28-2017 08:18 AM)nj alum Wrote:  TITB-

I have worn the green and gold. I have always bled green and gold.

The past several years, the AD has turned my green and gold into silver.

If this keeps up, the silver will be no more, and I'm going to walk away.

Capiche?

I get that's where you are personally. I would ask that at least on threads where we're trying to generate forward momentum you hold some of that back so as not to discourage those who aren't yet in that same place. Make as many of the conference movement posts as you want, be critical on posts about stories that deserve it, but let the posts about ongoing actions like this keep whatever positive momentum we can get.

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(03-28-2017 08:43 AM)LeadBolt Wrote:  With a new AD with a fund raising background, a significant upswing in giving that has been realized in the past few years and a master plan to provide a championship experience for all athletics, we should be at an inflection point.

We hope to see that translated into better experiences and tools for the coaches and players.

We all have differing ideas, but one goal, to see the Tribe succeed athletically to a greater extent than it has historically. We are poised to help that happen with our time and treasure, as each is able as the increased giving indicates.

I'm afraid that if we continue with business as usual in the athletic department, this could be a high tide that recedes as quickly as rose. I feel this is a good opportunity for our new AD to implement change and improve our athletic performance and programs in ways that will be noticeable to all.

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TITB-

I don't think anyone is being critical of the effort to save the pre-season trip. There are many reasons to support this. The efforts of those who have sought a solution are beyond commendable. They are inspirational. These efforts deserve to be supported.

But when the grass roots has to rise up, and produce Gold Rush, and then summer school, and now a pre-season trip, what in the Griffin's name is going on here? What exactly is the AD doing relative to this sport?

I think it is great you guys are being proactive and at least trying.

I do take issue with one thing, there was a MBB booster club, I know because I was a member, I think TITB was too. Back around 2003 or so it was called "The Fast Break Club", it only had 3 dozen or so members, but we would have a couple of pregame get together's in the Person Room (I recall the guy who coaches at Hampden Sydney was an asst and would come in and do a little breakdown of that game's opponent), and postgame as well. The club eventually just dissolved, because the older folks got frustrated and the younger ones (like us...at the time) just had kids, and well life gets in the way.

I had season tix till 2008-09 when we just stopped because we only went to one game the entire season (again small kids, life, health, etc), TITB used to sit about 5 or 6 rows behind us, and throw beer bottles at me .... not really...but I digress, so on the issue of better OOC games, that wasn't a problem then, because you had ODU, GMU, Drexel (they were good then) UNCW (then their coach bolted to Depaul...haha, dumb***) and VCU come in for Conf games, and then it seemed a VT or someone would be the one big OOC game, and we would all be fine with it. The CAA is dramatically different now (Iremember when it was a 3 bid league) and WM offers nothing to a big game opponent even in a 3 for 1 or 4 for 1 deal, because it is all about RPI now and jockeying for NCAA tourney position and nobody wants to risk that, traveling to WM.

I think going to a 3rd tier tourney is a good idea because you get extra practice time (kind of like when a FBS school goes to the Poulon International Weedeater Bowl), and I don't think it is a budget issue, because the Women's team went to a 3rd (might of even been lower than that) tourney game last year.

All this hub bub about the AD misses the point. The AD is a reflection of the priorities of the senior executives who run the show. The whole show! Ms Huge's selection is a marker for business as usual. This is the way the powers to be want athletics to fit, or not fit, and these decisions or outcomes reflect those desires. That's the way it works. It there were some truly heavy hitters out there who would exert influence over these senior executives, then these issues might disappear. Maybe.
But the AD is just doing their job within the parameters set forth by those in control.

SoCal-

From my knowledge of the lay of the land, I think you may be off on this one.

There are plenty of W&M senior executives in place who want athletics success, but have not gone outside of the food chain, and have left it in the hands of the AD.

If SH has a vision for athletics success, it will happen.

Paul-

I loved your earlier post this morning which got taken down.

Confirmed what I suspected all along.

(03-28-2017 10:29 AM)nj alum Wrote:  SoCal-

From my knowledge of the lay of the land, I think you may be off on this one.

There are plenty of W&M senior executives in place who want athletics success, but have not gone outside of the food chain, and have left it in the hands of the AD.

If SH has a vision for athletics success, it will happen.

Yeah. Agree with this.

(03-28-2017 10:16 AM)SoCal Frank Wrote:  All this hub bub about the AD misses the point. The AD is a reflection of the priorities of the senior executives who run the show. The whole show! Ms Huge's selection is a marker for business as usual. This is the way the powers to be want athletics to fit, or not fit, and these decisions or outcomes reflect those desires. That's the way it works. It there were some truly heavy hitters out there who would exert influence over these senior executives, then these issues might disappear. Maybe.
But the AD is just doing their job within the parameters set forth by those in control.

So if, as seems to be the opinion of those in the know on this board (not myself certainly), Reveley and the board of visitors are on board with athletics, yet this new AD is a "business as usual" hire, who are these other shadowy "senior executives" spoiling things? It would seem to me that it would be the president and BOV who would be hiring the AD (or at least setting the tone).

People are missing the broader problem here. Professors are asking for money because they don't have any either. Nobody does. The State of Virginia isn't funding our state schools to a level that matches their history academic significance. So where are we really? We're a college that keeps raising tuition for in state students, bringing in as many out of state kids as allowed, and hoping that the alumni will pay for everything going forward.

The problem that I have with this, is I end up giving far more to the college than it ever cost my parents to send me there, AND, the hand is always out. We need to either go private or figure out a plan B. Also, when I was there 30 some years ago the student body and the athletes interacted much more with the athletes mainly due to Greek life and the parties we had. I was both an athlete and a fraternity brother so I knew non-athletes plus players on multiple sports. It isn't like that any more, and the longer things play out, fewer people are going to give to athletics. While the college endowment goes up, the athletic department will still be looking for nickels and dimes.

(03-28-2017 03:56 PM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:16 AM)SoCal Frank Wrote:  All this hub bub about the AD misses the point. The AD is a reflection of the priorities of the senior executives who run the show. The whole show! Ms Huge's selection is a marker for business as usual. This is the way the powers to be want athletics to fit, or not fit, and these decisions or outcomes reflect those desires. That's the way it works. It there were some truly heavy hitters out there who would exert influence over these senior executives, then these issues might disappear. Maybe.
But the AD is just doing their job within the parameters set forth by those in control.

So if, as seems to be the opinion of those in the know on this board (not myself certainly), Reveley and the board of visitors are on board with athletics, yet this new AD is a "business as usual" hire, who are these other shadowy "senior executives" spoiling things? It would seem to me that it would be the president and BOV who would be hiring the AD (or at least setting the tone).

You are so clever 2011. You figured it out.

(03-28-2017 04:46 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  People are missing the broader problem here. Professors are asking for money because they don't have any either. Nobody does. The State of Virginia isn't funding our state schools to a level that matches their history academic significance. So where are we really? We're a college that keeps raising tuition for in state students, bringing in as many out of state kids as allowed, and hoping that the alumni will pay for everything going forward.

The problem that I have with this, is I end up giving far more to the college than it ever cost my parents to send me there, AND, the hand is always out. We need to either go private or figure out a plan B. Also, when I was there 30 some years ago the student body and the athletes interacted much more with the athletes mainly due to Greek life and the parties we had. I was both an athlete and a fraternity brother so I knew non-athletes plus players on multiple sports. It isn't like that any more, and the longer things play out, fewer people are going to give to athletics. While the college endowment goes up, the athletic department will still be looking for nickels and dimes.

If the football coach can go out and fund raise for a new football center, a Professor can go fund raise for research, etc.

Little hard work never hurt anyone.

(03-28-2017 10:31 AM)nj alum Wrote:  Paul-

I loved your earlier post this morning which got taken down.

Confirmed what I suspected all along.

I took it down, I don't feel like getting passive aggressive texts from it.

Glad you got to read it though.

(03-28-2017 10:31 AM)nj alum Wrote:  Paul-

I loved your earlier post this morning which got taken down.

Confirmed what I suspected all along.

You're no fun, Paul.

One Tribe. One Family.

(03-28-2017 07:23 PM)Paulbintheburg Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:31 AM)nj alum Wrote:  Paul-

I loved your earlier post this morning which got taken down.

Confirmed what I suspected all along.

I took it down, I don't feel like getting passive aggressive texts from it.

Glad you got to read it though.

I WANNA KNOW THE SECRETS

(03-28-2017 10:03 AM)nj alum Wrote:  TITB-

I don't think anyone is being critical of the effort to save the pre-season trip. There are many reasons to support this. The efforts of those who have sought a solution are beyond commendable. They are inspirational. These efforts deserve to be supported.

But when the grass roots has to rise up, and produce Gold Rush, and then summer school, and now a pre-season trip, what in the Griffin's name is going on here? What exactly is the AD doing relative to this sport?

That's a different post for another thread, is all I'm saying.

That's not my point. Mine is simply that their ain't no money.....

Sure, anyone should be able to go raise money, and in fact professors do it all the time via grants, but not $20 million worth.

William and Mary is cheap, and it is becoming way to acceptable.

(03-28-2017 07:22 PM)Paulbintheburg Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 04:46 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  People are missing the broader problem here. Professors are asking for money because they don't have any either. Nobody does. The State of Virginia isn't funding our state schools to a level that matches their history academic significance. So where are we really? We're a college that keeps raising tuition for in state students, bringing in as many out of state kids as allowed, and hoping that the alumni will pay for everything going forward.

The problem that I have with this, is I end up giving far more to the college than it ever cost my parents to send me there, AND, the hand is always out. We need to either go private or figure out a plan B. Also, when I was there 30 some years ago the student body and the athletes interacted much more with the athletes mainly due to Greek life and the parties we had. I was both an athlete and a fraternity brother so I knew non-athletes plus players on multiple sports. It isn't like that any more, and the longer things play out, fewer people are going to give to athletics. While the college endowment goes up, the athletic department will still be looking for nickels and dimes.

If the football coach can go out and fund raise for a new football center, a Professor can go fund raise for research, etc.

Little hard work never hurt anyone.

Every college has its hand out! Harvard, the richest university in the world, inundates its alums with please for contributions (my two nephews who went to Harvard tell me it's never ending).

W&M has seen its contributions from the state fall to around 12% of budget and the state refuses to relent on the 65-35% state to out-of-state student ration (plus there are a couple of fools in the state legislature who want to make it 70-30!). So it's impossible for W&M (and other state universities)
to raise their funding from the higher out-of-state student tuition.

(03-29-2017 05:27 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  That's not my point. Mine is simply that their ain't no money.....

Sure, anyone should be able to go raise money, and in fact professors do it all the time via grants, but not $20 million worth.

William and Mary is cheap, and it is becoming way to acceptable.

(03-28-2017 07:22 PM)Paulbintheburg Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 04:46 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  People are missing the broader problem here. Professors are asking for money because they don't have any either. Nobody does. The State of Virginia isn't funding our state schools to a level that matches their history academic significance. So where are we really? We're a college that keeps raising tuition for in state students, bringing in as many out of state kids as allowed, and hoping that the alumni will pay for everything going forward.

The problem that I have with this, is I end up giving far more to the college than it ever cost my parents to send me there, AND, the hand is always out. We need to either go private or figure out a plan B. Also, when I was there 30 some years ago the student body and the athletes interacted much more with the athletes mainly due to Greek life and the parties we had. I was both an athlete and a fraternity brother so I knew non-athletes plus players on multiple sports. It isn't like that any more, and the longer things play out, fewer people are going to give to athletics. While the college endowment goes up, the athletic department will still be looking for nickels and dimes.

If the football coach can go out and fund raise for a new football center, a Professor can go fund raise for research, etc.

Little hard work never hurt anyone.

What are you talking about? The upgrade to the football stadium was $20 million+, the football center was $20 million+ and it seems any Bball facility will be $20 million+ (is everything $20 million+?).

Money is there, if you plan out a strategy and initiate it.

My point was, if athletics can fund raise effectively, so can everyone else. In fact it should be far easier for professors because they do not need anything near $20 million. instead several (not all mind you) would rather try and take a cut from someone else's hard work, because they are firm in their believe that William & Mary is an academic institution not a Athletic Support Compound, and a lot of them feel they are grossly underpaid compared to their peers at other State schools. That creates a hostility towards athletics, so imagine the reaction if the MBB team went out on a overseas preseason trip that was paid for on a budget line item, instead of through fundraising?

I know several Professors who feel that way, even friends with a few (it helps balance out my politics). Funny thing is, we invite them to tailgate, and when they come they had no idea how much fun the gameday feel is, and end up buying in. We had half the math dept at our tailgate 3 yrs ago, and now they pick a game each year to come to, not a big deal, but baby steps.