(02-01-2017 10:15 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  App's lowest rated recruit from 2015 was the SBC POTY in 2016, while our lowest ranked recruit from 2016 returned a KO for a TD in our bowl game this year. I predict another diamond in the rough this year.

I wish you guys luck w/ Peyton Derrick from Conway SC. Not really sure why we never offered the guy being right in our backyard. We signed a RB teammate of his last year so I know we had some eyes on him. Hope that one doesn't come back to bite us in the next few years. Also Jermaine McDaniel from Dillon... We gotta start cutting into you guys' SC pipeline a bit.

"We've never recruited stars. I really don't like all the ratings. It puts pressure on the school and the players. That stuff really doesn't matter at our level. Last year our lowest rated player was Darrrynton Evans who returned a KO 100 yards for a TD in bowl game. Two years ago our lowest rated player was Jaylin Moore who was the Sunbelt offensive player of the year. Maybe it does at Alabama where you have to sign 4 & 5 stars, but not here. It's all about getting the right fit for your school and program." Scott Satterfield.

(02-01-2017 10:15 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  App's lowest rated recruit from 2015 was the SBC POTY in 2016, while our lowest ranked recruit from 2016 returned a KO for a TD in our bowl game this year. I predict another diamond in the rough this year.

Yeah, the Conference Player of the year for us this year was one of our lowest rated recruits if I remember correctly.

At this level of FBS, rankings are such a crap shoot. It's more about which coach can recognize the diamond in the rough the best than which coach can bring in the top class.

Looks like we got the pieces we needed. Rumor has it along with their national signing papers our recruits also send in ring sizes...for all fingers they want to put rings for the years here. Need to get the inevitable out of the way.

(02-02-2017 12:08 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  "We've never recruited stars. I really don't like all the ratings. It puts pressure on the school and the players. That stuff really doesn't matter at our level. Last year our lowest rated player was Darrrynton Evans who returned a KO 100 yards for a TD in bowl game. Two years ago our lowest rated player was Jaylin Moore who was the Sunbelt offensive player of the year. Maybe it does at Alabama where you have to sign 4 & 5 stars, but not here. It's all about getting the right fit for your school and program." Scott Satterfield.

Yes it does matter. Individual examples are just that and are nothing compared to the literally thousand of examples of kids living up to their ratings. The term diamond in the rough, think about it, it means extremely rare. There is a reason we have a terrible record against the P5 and why the best team in the SBC could not pull off the win against a mediocre UT team. Poor recruiting catches up with most over time. App last year was the only team rated in the bottom half of the G5 in team talent that had a conference championship and one of few with a winning record so congrats for being an outlier and having really good coaching. One class does not kill you, living in the bottom half of the G5 rankings will eventually. This can be held off by above average coaching but in the Belt above average coaching usually leaves for a 1-2M+ job somewhere else. Another season like the last two and we all know the big offers are headed to Sat and Brown.

Whether it be winning, conf championships, national championships, all american, NFL draft the recruit rankings are not perfect but a very reliable indicator of success for the individual and team.

(02-02-2017 02:05 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 10:15 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  App's lowest rated recruit from 2015 was the SBC POTY in 2016, while our lowest ranked recruit from 2016 returned a KO for a TD in our bowl game this year. I predict another diamond in the rough this year.

Yeah, the Conference Player of the year for us this year was one of our lowest rated recruits if I remember correctly.

At this level of FBS, rankings are such a crap shoot. It's more about which coach can recognize the diamond in the rough the best than which coach can bring in the top class.

The 24/7 team talent ranking would easily prove other wise.

GS filled some major needs. The DL talent alone was impressive, but the size and length at DB was good to see as well.

Not the flashiest class with no WRs\TEs, but solid defensive class.

(02-02-2017 08:15 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 02:05 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 10:15 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  App's lowest rated recruit from 2015 was the SBC POTY in 2016, while our lowest ranked recruit from 2016 returned a KO for a TD in our bowl game this year. I predict another diamond in the rough this year.

Yeah, the Conference Player of the year for us this year was one of our lowest rated recruits if I remember correctly.

At this level of FBS, rankings are such a crap shoot. It's more about which coach can recognize the diamond in the rough the best than which coach can bring in the top class.

The 24/7 team talent ranking would easily prove other wise.

Even before joining the FBS GS was ranked higher than App most years in recruiting, yet the results on the field have App ahead.

Excluding the 2017 class, six of the top 20 recruits App has enrolled never saw the field.

Tell me more about how you can easily prove this.

Stars and ratings are great and there is some correlation, but at the G5 level it isn't as reliable as the high three star - five star ratings P5 programs get.

(02-02-2017 08:15 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 02:05 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 10:15 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  App's lowest rated recruit from 2015 was the SBC POTY in 2016, while our lowest ranked recruit from 2016 returned a KO for a TD in our bowl game this year. I predict another diamond in the rough this year.

Yeah, the Conference Player of the year for us this year was one of our lowest rated recruits if I remember correctly.

At this level of FBS, rankings are such a crap shoot. It's more about which coach can recognize the diamond in the rough the best than which coach can bring in the top class.

The 24/7 team talent ranking would easily prove other wise.

It doesn't look that accurate to me. 2015 had ULL as the most talented team. 2016 had Georgia Southern and ULL in top 3, and Idaho dead last. Had App 8th and 6th those years when we finished 2nd and t1st.

(02-02-2017 06:25 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  Looks like we got the pieces we needed. Rumor has it along with their national signing papers our recruits also send in ring sizes...for all fingers they want to put rings for the years here. Need to get the inevitable out of the way.

After a quick back and forth with 247, I feel confident that if what their HC said yesterday checks out you will see a several their 2-stars become 3-stars-maybe.

After a similar back and forth last year, their 2-star RB Armond Weh Weh ) was bumped to 3 star when it was confirmed that he was offered by Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado St, and others, and 247 change their ratings, which were adjusted up to .8300 and he is now shown as one of their highest rated signee in 2016.

2- star DE DaJon Emory, who is sitting out this year got, also got his 3 Star rating long after signing day.

A couple of other guys that we thought were strong candidates to make it did not so have to wait, maybe months, and see.

This year's 2-stars, no stars,based on a quick check with 247, that should have a chance (and some are almost certain to), of following those guys- if what their HC is saying checks out:

QB signee Aldon Clark (Florida State, LSU, Memphis, Mississippi State, Tulane, Troy, SMU, ULL, Utah)- has now been moved to a 3 star on the composite( still showing a 0.7991 247 rating which most likely will change) .

2-star Caleb Bonner (Southern Miss, Wake Forest, Marshall, and Mississippi State), and who the coach bragged about beating out so many for, in his recruiting roundup, has a good shot.

2 star JC DT, Josh Curry (TCU, Penn State, Arizona St. and others), will almost certainly end up a 3-Star.

2 Star Clemson bounce-back Jeff Gibson (played in 12 games for them as a redshirt and the Clemson coaches have said they would like back, and is consistently ranked in the top 25, JC recruits) will be a 3 star on 247, at some point, and more importantly among the most talented players in the SBC.

2-Star DE Ronheen Bingham (Colorado and others ), a JC All-American who the A-State coach's think has a chance to beone of their best defensive players next year, should move up a 3-Star, at some point.

2-star Nour -Eddine Seidnaly , (Maryland, Texas Tech, UCLA, Southern Miss, Texas State, Nevada, and East Carolina) should end up a 3-Star on at least their composite.

Boise bounce-back Darreon Jackson, should add his 3-star rating- when they figure out who he is and where he came from.

Grad transfer Jayee Philbert, will be a 3-Star when they add him, and among the best offensive linemen in the SBC next year.

Transfer Kendrick Edwards, the former Razorback will bring his 3-stars when they add him.

2-Star Memphis bounce-back, Chase Johnson (Cincinnati, New Mexico, Tulane, UAB, UCF, ULL, and AppSt), the #4 JC Center, should have a shot at a 3-Star Composite.

2-star HC OL Andree Harris( Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas St., Mississippi State, TCU) should get close.

2-star Larry Wooton(Minnesota, Southern Mississippi, Troy, Tulane, UAB), has a shot at a 3 star.

2-Star Chad Gooden (AppSt, Troy, GaSo, and West Virginia), has been moving up..

2-star Justin Dutton (Tulsa, Kansas, Ohio), should see an improvement in his 247 rating.

2-Star OL Marvis Brown (Southern Miss, UAB, UNT, Texas State) ,should see an improvement in his 247 rating.


Apparently the big problem of A-State is their Rivals and Scout site don't do their jobs, and 247 is still crunching recruiting data..

While most of you live in the moment on these rankings, and move on, oblivious to these changes, they are critical to the 247 College Football Team Talent Composite, which actually matters more.

http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Footbal...erence=SBC

At the end of the day all that matters is what takes place in the field. If our low rated classes continue to perform at a high level I'm perfectly ok with them.

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(02-02-2017 08:12 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 12:08 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  "We've never recruited stars. I really don't like all the ratings. It puts pressure on the school and the players. That stuff really doesn't matter at our level. Last year our lowest rated player was Darrrynton Evans who returned a KO 100 yards for a TD in bowl game. Two years ago our lowest rated player was Jaylin Moore who was the Sunbelt offensive player of the year. Maybe it does at Alabama where you have to sign 4 & 5 stars, but not here. It's all about getting the right fit for your school and program." Scott Satterfield.

Yes it does matter. Individual examples are just that and are nothing compared to the literally thousand of examples of kids living up to their ratings. The term diamond in the rough, think about it, it means extremely rare. There is a reason we have a terrible record against the P5 and why the best team in the SBC could not pull off the win against a mediocre UT team. Poor recruiting catches up with most over time. App last year was the only team rated in the bottom half of the G5 in team talent that had a conference championship and one of few with a winning record so congrats for being an outlier and having really good coaching. One class does not kill you, living in the bottom half of the G5 rankings will eventually. This can be held off by above average coaching but in the Belt above average coaching usually leaves for a 1-2M+ job somewhere else. Another season like the last two and we all know the big offers are headed to Sat and Brown.

Whether it be winning, conf championships, national championships, all american, NFL draft the recruit rankings are not perfect but a very reliable indicator of success for the individual and team.

Mediocre UT team? Finished 9-4 with wins over Va Tech, Florida, Georgia and Nebraska in a bowl game.

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Forgetting they are the 2016 Champions of Life.

Looks like A-State's Rivals site is beginning to update their offers list.

Apparently their signees are turning out to have been much more highly recruited, and had a lot more offers than was being reported before yesterday,which should result in more 3-Star players on Rivals, and eventually filter through to 247.

(02-02-2017 12:39 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Looks like A-State's Rivals site is beginning to update their offers list.

Apparently their signees are turning out to have been much more highly recruited, and had a lot more offers than was being reported before yesterday,which should result in more 3-Star players on Rivals, and eventually filter through to 247.

The rankings still don't include about 5-6 transfers for A-State including Lanard Bonner (OL), Jaypee Philbert (OL), Kendrick Edwards (WR), Alex Novak (OL), and Kyle Martin (CB)

Bonner was included as a 3-Star in 2016 on 247, the others should end-up getting added to 2017 at some point, and Philbert and Edwards should bring their current 3-Star ratings with them, as should Darreon Jackson and Jeff Gibson when they realize who they are.

Did not mention Alex Novak, and Kyle Martin above because I'm not sure the are candidates for upgrades. Novak left JC early, which hurt him.

My above post is actually the rough draft of the info that I will eventually forward to 247 at some point.

It is a waste of time trying to deal with the Scout site I subscribe to, the A-State Scout guys apparently try but with little success, but 247 really wants to "give the people what the people want", which is accurate recruiting information.

Bottom line if I'm going to pay for something I want it right, and their data is simply not right, and I do blame A-States "funky" recruiting.

All that aside your coach is right , this is an outstanding class.

Nobody's class lists D1 transfers right? So when you say they will be added, what exactly will they be added to? The entire roster composite when that is finally released in the fall? They won't be added ever to the actual 2017 class right?

(02-02-2017 01:22 PM)_x_ Wrote:  Nobody's class lists D1 transfers right? So when you say they will be added, what exactly will they be added to? The entire roster composite when that is finally released in the fall? They won't be added ever to the actual 2017 class right?

Those aren't D1 transfers, they are blue shirts who we signed in August. They actually played last season, but because they didn't arrive on campus until Fall Camp, they count towards the 2017 class.

Anderson signed a ton of those last year as a way to balance out the oddity of losing our top 7 offensive lineman and our entire depth chart at Safety. That doesn't normally happen unless you have to change coaches every year, and to prevent it from happening again, we had to stagger how those replacements arrived on campus so their eligibility clock didn't run out at the same time.

(02-02-2017 01:22 PM)_x_ Wrote:  Nobody's class lists D1 transfers right? So when you say they will be added, what exactly will they be added to? The entire roster composite when that is finally released in the fall? They won't be added ever to the actual 2017 class right?

Actually they will, or should, per 247. They don't care when they get the facts they will adjust.

I see they added a late summer DB addition to A-States 2016 commits, but he never enrolled so they never moved him up with those that signed.

Because so many A-State players are counted backward, forward and sideways and no one really know who is really on their team( part of my job in the past was to verify their fall roster, and I never got it100% right), much less what class they came in with, makes it a problem to help 247 be the best of the public sites, which it is any way.

That A-States main site is a Scout site kills them.

We are loving Elliott and our coaches right now here in Ga St. land what they were able to do in a months time and the quality that they got.