HB2 is suppose to be repealed Tuesday. Will the ACC go back?

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/lo...29973.html

They better.

(12-19-2016 10:57 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  They better.

I hope so, that game would have been easily sold out in Charlotte.

(12-19-2016 11:00 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 10:57 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  They better.

I hope so, that game would have been easily sold out in Charlotte.

Economically, it's a no-brainer.

Politically, it's probably irrelevant.

Should have never left as the ACC shouldn't get involved in internal state politics.

(12-19-2016 12:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Should have never left as the ACC shouldn't get involved in internal state politics.

amen to that. let's keep sports as an escape from the ugly world of politics.

(12-19-2016 10:54 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  HB2 is suppose to be repealed Tuesday. Will the ACC go back?

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/lo...29973.html

The deal ain't done till you lock the door and count the money.

Given the idiocy going on in NC politics right now, I'd say nothing is certain yet.

(12-19-2016 02:41 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  Given the idiocy going on in NC politics right now, I'd say nothing is certain yet.

Yeah, I'm not making plans for next year's game just yet...

(12-19-2016 12:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Should have never left as the ACC shouldn't get involved in internal state politics.

They didn't get involved. They made a choice which is their right


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(12-19-2016 08:06 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 12:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Should have never left as the ACC shouldn't get involved in internal state politics.

They didn't get involved. They made a choice which is their right


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Economic terrorism is getting involved.

(12-19-2016 12:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Should have never left as the ACC shouldn't get involved in internal state politics.

I agree.

(12-19-2016 08:06 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 12:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Should have never left as the ACC shouldn't get involved in internal state politics.

They didn't get involved. They made a choice which is their right


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It was a stupid choice, that cost a lot of people/organizations/institutions in terms of money and relationships just to make a political statement (which is not in the scope of an athletic conference).
It was also damaged the conference's reputation as a business partner in that the conference failed to honor contracts that the ACC had instigated.

(12-20-2016 06:02 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 08:06 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 12:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Should have never left as the ACC shouldn't get involved in internal state politics.

They didn't get involved. They made a choice which is their right


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It was a stupid choice, that cost a lot of people/organizations/institutions in terms of money and relationships just to make a political statement (which is not in the scope of an athletic conference).
It was also damaged the conference's reputation as a business partner in that the conference failed to honor contracts that the ACC had instigated.

No, HB2 did all this. Other businesses were already leaving the state. This isn't on the conference, it is on stupid rednecks who are in charge of NC.

I agree with this point.

The momentum was such that the ACC had no choice but to do what it did; just like the NBA and other entities before it.

Remember, the conference championship game runs on sponsorships and they concluded that there were enough people throughout the country who thought North Carolina's policies were backwards and discriminatory.

As such, people were not going to support companies that sponsor to game played in a backwards/discrimatory environment. It was just that simple.

Personally speaking, I am able to separate the two and I would've attended the game if my team were there regardless of the state's backwards policies towards the transgender community. However, what people saw take place there was the free market at work.

It was North Carolina's right to pass laws on where transvestites can take a piss and where they cannot, but it was everyone's else's right to do business with whom they choose.

If people want to be mad at anyone, they should be mad at the boneheads who chose to create that conflict in the first place and then stridently stood behind their obviously moronic decision. I have no idea why they made the decision they made – or why they chose to die on that particular hill – especially after it became clear that it was so controversial nationally? Arrogance would be my best guess. However, I do know that type of activism usually doesn't work out well for the discriminators.

Now, all of those businesses have left and many may never come back. The governor, who bizarrely chose to become the face of the controversy, and it's principal defender, has been voted out of office.

You tell me, was it worth it? Do you really care where some tranny squats to take a dump? Do you care enough to lose that amount of business/ tax revenue?

Now, the Republican led legislature in North Carolina is trying to do whatever it can to limit the power of the incoming governor, further cementing their already dubious reputation nationally.

Again, it always works out great to go against the will of the voters. What could possibly go wrong?

(12-20-2016 06:02 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 08:06 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 12:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Should have never left as the ACC shouldn't get involved in internal state politics.

They didn't get involved. They made a choice which is their right


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It was a stupid choice, that cost a lot of people/organizations/institutions in terms of money and relationships just to make a political statement (which is not in the scope of an athletic conference).
It was also damaged the conference's reputation as a business partner in that the conference failed to honor contracts that the ACC had instigated.

+1

(12-20-2016 09:12 AM)samandrea Wrote:  

(12-20-2016 06:02 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 08:06 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 12:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Should have never left as the ACC shouldn't get involved in internal state politics.

They didn't get involved. They made a choice which is their right


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It was a stupid choice, that cost a lot of people/organizations/institutions in terms of money and relationships just to make a political statement (which is not in the scope of an athletic conference).
It was also damaged the conference's reputation as a business partner in that the conference failed to honor contracts that the ACC had instigated.

No, HB2 did all this. Other businesses were already leaving the state. This isn't on the conference, it is on stupid rednecks who are in charge of NC.

The conference chose to take a political stand when they didn't have to. The ACC had spent years building relationships with venues like the Greensboro Coliseum which had taken the Women's basketball tournament when nobody else wanted it and had grown that tournament every year. Then the conference opened their mouth and stepped in it while on the very people that had made the ACC what it is today.
This is on the ACC. The conference screwed every ACC athletic department by their meddling.

(12-20-2016 02:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-20-2016 09:12 AM)samandrea Wrote:  

(12-20-2016 06:02 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 08:06 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 12:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Should have never left as the ACC shouldn't get involved in internal state politics.

They didn't get involved. They made a choice which is their right


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It was a stupid choice, that cost a lot of people/organizations/institutions in terms of money and relationships just to make a political statement (which is not in the scope of an athletic conference).
It was also damaged the conference's reputation as a business partner in that the conference failed to honor contracts that the ACC had instigated.

No, HB2 did all this. Other businesses were already leaving the state. This isn't on the conference, it is on stupid rednecks who are in charge of NC.

The conference chose to take a political stand when they didn't have to. The ACC had spent years building relationships with venues like the Greensboro Coliseum which had taken the Women's basketball tournament when nobody else wanted it and had grown that tournament every year. Then the conference opened their mouth and stepped in it while on the very people that had made the ACC what it is today.
This is on the ACC. The conference screwed every ACC athletic department by their meddling.

Thats an interesting statement. I was always under the impression that conferences had to pay to rent facilities for their tournies. If that is indeed the case, it is hard for me to imagine that any other facility would turn down any legal and legitimate sporting event thats willing to pay. These facilities owe it to the taxpayers.

(12-20-2016 09:12 AM)samandrea Wrote:  

(12-20-2016 06:02 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 08:06 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 12:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Should have never left as the ACC shouldn't get involved in internal state politics.

They didn't get involved. They made a choice which is their right


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It was a stupid choice, that cost a lot of people/organizations/institutions in terms of money and relationships just to make a political statement (which is not in the scope of an athletic conference).
It was also damaged the conference's reputation as a business partner in that the conference failed to honor contracts that the ACC had instigated.

No, HB2 did all this. Other businesses were already leaving the state. This isn't on the conference, it is on stupid rednecks who are in charge of NC.

Actually these legislators are mostly not rednecks. They are transplants to NC from the north and midwest.

(12-20-2016 02:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-20-2016 09:12 AM)samandrea Wrote:  

(12-20-2016 06:02 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 08:06 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 12:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Should have never left as the ACC shouldn't get involved in internal state politics.

They didn't get involved. They made a choice which is their right


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It was a stupid choice, that cost a lot of people/organizations/institutions in terms of money and relationships just to make a political statement (which is not in the scope of an athletic conference).
It was also damaged the conference's reputation as a business partner in that the conference failed to honor contracts that the ACC had instigated.

No, HB2 did all this. Other businesses were already leaving the state. This isn't on the conference, it is on stupid rednecks who are in charge of NC.

The conference chose to take a political stand when they didn't have to. The ACC had spent years building relationships with venues like the Greensboro Coliseum which had taken the Women's basketball tournament when nobody else wanted it and had grown that tournament every year. Then the conference opened their mouth and stepped in it while on the very people that had made the ACC what it is today.
This is on the ACC. The conference screwed every ACC athletic department by their meddling.

That's a very strange way to look at the issue. John Swofford did not make this move unilaterally. He did it at the behest of his membership - or at least the majority of his membership.

It was definitely the individual schools which insisted that the conference take action. They are, after all, institutions of higher learning. How can any university worth its salt justify doing business with people who openly and unapologetically discriminate against an entire class of people?

That just doesn't work.