(12-13-2016 07:11 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:20 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 03:26 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  If Satterfield does continue to succeed, I do think he will get more schools coming to him. Although the increase in salary would be a big part of what would interest him, I also think other factors would play a role. I think he would want it to be a whole new challenge, not a job that is just marginally higher paying or more resources. In other words, he wouldn't leave App for Tulane.

I think NC State is the job which would be more likely than most to offer Satterfield if/when it comes open, and also one which he would be more likely to accept. It checks off many of the non-salary interests for him that App does: proximity to his family and his wife's; opportunity to recruit the same states and high schools where he already has relationships; pretty good, mostly sensible football fanbase (by NC stamdards) where expectations are high while fans know the team's challenges against the upper crust of FBS. I think this job, more so than some school in another region of the country, would do a better job in allowing Satterfield to bridge what he's doing well now to a place with a tougher schedule and deeper resources.

I do take Satterfield at his word about being happy in Boone. Raleigh is great, on paper one of the best places to live in the country, and I do expect to live here for a long time, but Boone is where I daydream about all the time. It's so beautiful, in my opinion, that it's ridiculous. It's was hard to leave there, and that was after only four years of living there. It would be a lot harder at his age after having spent basically all but three years of his life since he was 18 to move ANYWHERE else. But the man is also a competitor, and while he is not pursuing other jobs, others will eventually pursue him. And if/whenever he goes, all any App can is thank him for giving his all for Appalachian.

I suppose some people just can't wrap their minds around a guy sticking with somewhere he loves to live and raise his kids. A place where he will always be the King. A guy who is content with making $600,000 rather than $1 million. Someone who doesn't like the pressure that comes with thousands of ignorant fans and the scrutiny of antagonistic sports writers. The huge paydays with being a HC for a big time program comes with huge expectations. I can only imaging the fruatration of dealing with thousands of idiots who have never strapped on a helmet in their life, but are convinced they know more about football than you do.

Have some people become so obsessed with money they can't come to grips with someone who is simply content with their life? I'm an old guy. Been around the block a few times and have seen and experienced what the pressures that come with high profile positions can do to someone. Perhaps that's the reason for my take on all this. But I've also known Scott a long time. While he may very well bolt at the first chance he gets I don't think he will jump into a bad situation just to say he is a P5 coach. IMO, the situation that will attract him is at the lower level of P5 where he is following someone who's been successful. Stresses high academics and demands high moral character from it's athletes. There's only a hand full of those types of places around.

A million? The very bottom of P5 is around 2.5. He would make 4 years of salary every year at a P5. Even if gets fired after 4 years at a P5 it would take him 15 years to make that money at App. And it sure sounds like if he left for 4 years and made 12-15 million dollars and got fired that you both would be happy to have each other back. AAC schools are starting to get in the 2.5 million range.

What investment do you have in these argument as to if he will stay or not? When is the last time Louisiana or Arkansas State has an alumni as their head coach? When is the last time any G5 program had an alumni as their head coach?

Most of the time from what I can tell, G5 programs hire former assistants but rarely do you see a head coach hired back to their alma mater at any level.

(12-13-2016 08:04 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 07:11 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:20 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 03:26 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  If Satterfield does continue to succeed, I do think he will get more schools coming to him. Although the increase in salary would be a big part of what would interest him, I also think other factors would play a role. I think he would want it to be a whole new challenge, not a job that is just marginally higher paying or more resources. In other words, he wouldn't leave App for Tulane.

I think NC State is the job which would be more likely than most to offer Satterfield if/when it comes open, and also one which he would be more likely to accept. It checks off many of the non-salary interests for him that App does: proximity to his family and his wife's; opportunity to recruit the same states and high schools where he already has relationships; pretty good, mostly sensible football fanbase (by NC stamdards) where expectations are high while fans know the team's challenges against the upper crust of FBS. I think this job, more so than some school in another region of the country, would do a better job in allowing Satterfield to bridge what he's doing well now to a place with a tougher schedule and deeper resources.

I do take Satterfield at his word about being happy in Boone. Raleigh is great, on paper one of the best places to live in the country, and I do expect to live here for a long time, but Boone is where I daydream about all the time. It's so beautiful, in my opinion, that it's ridiculous. It's was hard to leave there, and that was after only four years of living there. It would be a lot harder at his age after having spent basically all but three years of his life since he was 18 to move ANYWHERE else. But the man is also a competitor, and while he is not pursuing other jobs, others will eventually pursue him. And if/whenever he goes, all any App can is thank him for giving his all for Appalachian.

I suppose some people just can't wrap their minds around a guy sticking with somewhere he loves to live and raise his kids. A place where he will always be the King. A guy who is content with making $600,000 rather than $1 million. Someone who doesn't like the pressure that comes with thousands of ignorant fans and the scrutiny of antagonistic sports writers. The huge paydays with being a HC for a big time program comes with huge expectations. I can only imaging the fruatration of dealing with thousands of idiots who have never strapped on a helmet in their life, but are convinced they know more about football than you do.

Have some people become so obsessed with money they can't come to grips with someone who is simply content with their life? I'm an old guy. Been around the block a few times and have seen and experienced what the pressures that come with high profile positions can do to someone. Perhaps that's the reason for my take on all this. But I've also known Scott a long time. While he may very well bolt at the first chance he gets I don't think he will jump into a bad situation just to say he is a P5 coach. IMO, the situation that will attract him is at the lower level of P5 where he is following someone who's been successful. Stresses high academics and demands high moral character from it's athletes. There's only a hand full of those types of places around.

A million? The very bottom of P5 is around 2.5. He would make 4 years of salary every year at a P5. Even if gets fired after 4 years at a P5 it would take him 15 years to make that money at App. And it sure sounds like if he left for 4 years and made 12-15 million dollars and got fired that you both would be happy to have each other back. AAC schools are starting to get in the 2.5 million range.

What investment do you have in these argument as to if he will stay or not? When is the last time Louisiana or Arkansas State has an alumni as their head coach? When is the last time any G5 program had an alumni as their head coach?

Most of the time from what I can tell, G5 programs hire former assistants but rarely do you see a head coach hired back to their alma mater at any level.

Who are you? The hall monitor? Do you question every posters investment of every discussion and post? It's a message board where people discuss things. There are only 128 FBS HC jobs, only half of them are a step up for your coach, they know the business and have to get the big payday when they can. Nobody is saying he is looking for anyway out if there but if the tight job oppprtunity comes along with a huge pay raise, him being an alumni will not matter. You want to be stAte, not is. There job is seen as a way to a better job ours has been a graveyard. You want your coach to get a better job so the next young up and comer sees he can go there and do the same. It's a business and you want a place that people can advance, it keeps you getting good people.

(12-13-2016 08:14 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 08:04 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 07:11 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:20 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 03:26 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  If Satterfield does continue to succeed, I do think he will get more schools coming to him. Although the increase in salary would be a big part of what would interest him, I also think other factors would play a role. I think he would want it to be a whole new challenge, not a job that is just marginally higher paying or more resources. In other words, he wouldn't leave App for Tulane.

I think NC State is the job which would be more likely than most to offer Satterfield if/when it comes open, and also one which he would be more likely to accept. It checks off many of the non-salary interests for him that App does: proximity to his family and his wife's; opportunity to recruit the same states and high schools where he already has relationships; pretty good, mostly sensible football fanbase (by NC stamdards) where expectations are high while fans know the team's challenges against the upper crust of FBS. I think this job, more so than some school in another region of the country, would do a better job in allowing Satterfield to bridge what he's doing well now to a place with a tougher schedule and deeper resources.

I do take Satterfield at his word about being happy in Boone. Raleigh is great, on paper one of the best places to live in the country, and I do expect to live here for a long time, but Boone is where I daydream about all the time. It's so beautiful, in my opinion, that it's ridiculous. It's was hard to leave there, and that was after only four years of living there. It would be a lot harder at his age after having spent basically all but three years of his life since he was 18 to move ANYWHERE else. But the man is also a competitor, and while he is not pursuing other jobs, others will eventually pursue him. And if/whenever he goes, all any App can is thank him for giving his all for Appalachian.

I suppose some people just can't wrap their minds around a guy sticking with somewhere he loves to live and raise his kids. A place where he will always be the King. A guy who is content with making $600,000 rather than $1 million. Someone who doesn't like the pressure that comes with thousands of ignorant fans and the scrutiny of antagonistic sports writers. The huge paydays with being a HC for a big time program comes with huge expectations. I can only imaging the fruatration of dealing with thousands of idiots who have never strapped on a helmet in their life, but are convinced they know more about football than you do.

Have some people become so obsessed with money they can't come to grips with someone who is simply content with their life? I'm an old guy. Been around the block a few times and have seen and experienced what the pressures that come with high profile positions can do to someone. Perhaps that's the reason for my take on all this. But I've also known Scott a long time. While he may very well bolt at the first chance he gets I don't think he will jump into a bad situation just to say he is a P5 coach. IMO, the situation that will attract him is at the lower level of P5 where he is following someone who's been successful. Stresses high academics and demands high moral character from it's athletes. There's only a hand full of those types of places around.

A million? The very bottom of P5 is around 2.5. He would make 4 years of salary every year at a P5. Even if gets fired after 4 years at a P5 it would take him 15 years to make that money at App. And it sure sounds like if he left for 4 years and made 12-15 million dollars and got fired that you both would be happy to have each other back. AAC schools are starting to get in the 2.5 million range.

What investment do you have in these argument as to if he will stay or not? When is the last time Louisiana or Arkansas State has an alumni as their head coach? When is the last time any G5 program had an alumni as their head coach?

Most of the time from what I can tell, G5 programs hire former assistants but rarely do you see a head coach hired back to their alma mater at any level.

Who are you? The hall monitor? Do you question every posters investment of every discussion and post? It's a message board where people discuss things. There are only 128 FBS HC jobs, only half of them are a step up for your coach, they know the business and have to get the big payday when they can. Nobody is saying he is looking for anyway out if there but if the tight job oppprtunity comes along with a huge pay raise, him being an alumni will not matter. You want to be stAte, not is. There job is seen as a way to a better job ours has been a graveyard. You want your coach to get a better job so the next young up and comer sees he can go there and do the same. It's a business and you want a place that people can advance, it keeps you getting good people.

I'm not sure that I agree with your model or the assumption that the status quo is acceptable. Being able to retain talented coaches should be considered before assuming they are going to leave.

I am trying to determine your investment in this because contrary to what all App fans are saying, opposing team's fans continue to spout the same line, "your coach will leave for more money because more money". While I don't expect he will stay forever, you all assume he has to jump at the first opportunity which is completely false. As mentioned previously, App has 2 losing seasons in 25 years. The team isn't going to suddenly tank resulting in him being fired. He will likely be able to stay for as long as he needs to for family reasons, as he has stated, before accepting a job at a P5 school. Apparently the only reason he left a few years ago was because he was told he needed to gain experience outside of App before he would be considered for the head coach position.

(12-13-2016 08:52 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 08:14 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 08:04 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 07:11 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:20 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  I suppose some people just can't wrap their minds around a guy sticking with somewhere he loves to live and raise his kids. A place where he will always be the King. A guy who is content with making $600,000 rather than $1 million. Someone who doesn't like the pressure that comes with thousands of ignorant fans and the scrutiny of antagonistic sports writers. The huge paydays with being a HC for a big time program comes with huge expectations. I can only imaging the fruatration of dealing with thousands of idiots who have never strapped on a helmet in their life, but are convinced they know more about football than you do.

Have some people become so obsessed with money they can't come to grips with someone who is simply content with their life? I'm an old guy. Been around the block a few times and have seen and experienced what the pressures that come with high profile positions can do to someone. Perhaps that's the reason for my take on all this. But I've also known Scott a long time. While he may very well bolt at the first chance he gets I don't think he will jump into a bad situation just to say he is a P5 coach. IMO, the situation that will attract him is at the lower level of P5 where he is following someone who's been successful. Stresses high academics and demands high moral character from it's athletes. There's only a hand full of those types of places around.

A million? The very bottom of P5 is around 2.5. He would make 4 years of salary every year at a P5. Even if gets fired after 4 years at a P5 it would take him 15 years to make that money at App. And it sure sounds like if he left for 4 years and made 12-15 million dollars and got fired that you both would be happy to have each other back. AAC schools are starting to get in the 2.5 million range.

What investment do you have in these argument as to if he will stay or not? When is the last time Louisiana or Arkansas State has an alumni as their head coach? When is the last time any G5 program had an alumni as their head coach?

Most of the time from what I can tell, G5 programs hire former assistants but rarely do you see a head coach hired back to their alma mater at any level.

Who are you? The hall monitor? Do you question every posters investment of every discussion and post? It's a message board where people discuss things. There are only 128 FBS HC jobs, only half of them are a step up for your coach, they know the business and have to get the big payday when they can. Nobody is saying he is looking for anyway out if there but if the tight job oppprtunity comes along with a huge pay raise, him being an alumni will not matter. You want to be stAte, not is. There job is seen as a way to a better job ours has been a graveyard. You want your coach to get a better job so the next young up and comer sees he can go there and do the same. It's a business and you want a place that people can advance, it keeps you getting good people.

I'm not sure that I agree with your model or the assumption that the status quo is acceptable. Being able to retain talented coaches should be considered before assuming they are going to leave.

I am trying to determine your investment in this because contrary to what all App fans are saying, opposing team's fans continue to spout the same line, "your coach will leave for more money because more money". While I don't expect he will stay forever, you all assume he has to jump at the first opportunity which is completely false. As mentioned previously, App has 2 losing seasons in 25 years. The team isn't going to suddenly tank resulting in him being fired. He will likely be able to stay for as long as he needs to for family reasons, as he has stated, before accepting a job at a P5 school. Apparently the only reason he left a few years ago was because he was told he needed to gain experience outside of App before he would be considered for the head coach position.

So when I specifically said he isn't looking for the first train out...I've actually said it twice now, you take that as I think he jumps at the first opportunity...got it

(12-13-2016 02:03 PM)moehler Wrote:  I think we would be all surprised and alittle bit stunned if SS gets a P5 offer and he turns it down. SS and his family can love Boone, and everything about the school, but he can still coach at a big time program, and make a 2 million dollar salary. My point is, he can afford to be alittle bit selective and patent because he is very happy in Boone, but once the P5 offer comes, he is out the door.

Wisest words in this thread, though I don't know if it would take a P5 offer. It could be a HC gig at a MWC or AAC (probably AAC as it is more Eastern based), it just depends on the money.

Three times what he's making now (I believe other App fans said 500k, so a 1.5M contract is not unreasonable) can make Detroit look appealing.

And no, him being a few years away from being vest in his pension is not even a consideration. As noted above... triple your annual salary will make up for that shortfall in one season.

Having said that... I kinda hope he does stay "forever". I like hearing stories about alumni coming "home" and staying there. It's kind of a throwback to when college football was about the game, the rivalries, and the student-athletes, instead of about money.

If South Carolina, Virginia, and Virginia Tech had opened up this season I would have been worried about Satt leaving. Whenever NC State and Wake Forest open up next I'll be worried about them as well. That said, I don't expect to see him leave for another G5 school or for the Boston College style P5s of the world. Is that thought process a healthy compromise for the people who are so pessimistic they think he takes the first CUSA school to offer and those naive enough to think he never leaves?

I don't think my take was either cynical (he will leave for the money as fast as possible) or naive (he'll still be in Boone in 15 years). I said he is very much invested in the community, in a school he genuinely loves, and of course in the players he coaches. I don't think he will leave for just ANYWHERE that offers him a raise. I do think, though, that a job like NC State (or for that matter Duke, UNC, Virginia, Maryland, Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt) could make sense for him if one of those jobs opens up and takes an interest in him. It would have to be a good fit for him and his family, though.

One thing that could help him stay longer would be the kind of success Chris Petersen had at Boise State. If App somehow starts beating Power 5 schools like Tennessee and winning close games like this year's Troy game, and starts becoming a real contender for New Year's Six bowls, that would be hard to walk away from.

I mean this as a compliment to Satterfield: I think he would only leave for a great fit. Brad Stevens, whom I followed closely during my years living in Indiana, was a man who was also principled and coaching for the so-called right reasons. He is one of my favorite coaches ever. He didn't leave for the flash of a UCLA or for the money of an Oregon. He stuck around Butler because he loved being at Butler, which was not his alma mater but was near his wife's family and his family. But when the Boston Celtics came calling, he left because he saw a challenge, an opportunity, and a great fit.

Heck, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Satterfield wants to be in Boone forever. It's a pretty awesome place to be. Shoot, if I ever have enough money, I'd love to have a house in Boone when I retire decades from now. App State would be incredibly fortunate to have him as an ambassador for the university for decades to come. If, though, he decides to go somewhere that would fit him well and happens to be higher profile, I don't think any App State fan of alum would begrudge him one bit.

(12-13-2016 08:04 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  When is the last time any G5 program had an alumni as their head coach?

Most of the time from what I can tell, G5 programs hire former assistants but rarely do you see a head coach hired back to their alma mater at any level.

Let me google that for you....

Art Briles(52) - Houston 2003-2007
Ruffin McNeill(57) - ECU 2010-2015
Sean Kugler(50) - UTEP 2013-
John Bonamego(53) - CMU 2015-
Paul Haynes(47) - Kent State 2013-
Bryan Harsin(40) - Boise State 2014-
Troy Calhoun(50) - Air Force 2007-
Bill Blankenship(57) - Tulsa 2011-2014
Matt Wells(43) - Utah State 2013-
Steve Fairchild(53) - Colorado State 2008-2011
Larry Porter(39) - Memphis 2010-2011
Don Treadwell(53) - Miami(OH) 2011-2013
Willie Taggart(36) - WKU 2010-2012
Scott Satterfield(43) - App 2013-

Not as special as one might think. You can almost fill a G5 conference with the current ones. I am sure there are more in the past. I included in parenthesis how old they their last year if they left or current if still there. Again the longest tenured coach is Troy Calhoun at the Air Force Academy. 0 conference championships. His last contract was upped to $885k base salary. Some got fired. Some went NFLing as position coaches. Some went P5ing as a head coach. Some went to a different G5 like Willie.

(12-13-2016 04:20 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  $525 base, $25-50 for conference title, $25 for hopefully a bowl victory, $25 for APR. I'm sure I'm missing something but not 300k.

Saint, According to this article, it is almost $300,000.

http://www.journalnow.com/sports/asu/app...35b04.html

(12-13-2016 11:12 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 08:04 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  When is the last time any G5 program had an alumni as their head coach?

Most of the time from what I can tell, G5 programs hire former assistants but rarely do you see a head coach hired back to their alma mater at any level.

Let me google that for you....

Art Briles(52) - Houston 2003-2007
Ruffin McNeill(57) - ECU 2010-2015
Sean Kugler(50) - UTEP 2013-
John Bonamego(53) - CMU 2015-
Paul Haynes(47) - Kent State 2013-
Bryan Harsin(40) - Boise State 2014-
Troy Calhoun(50) - Air Force 2007-
Bill Blankenship(57) - Tulsa 2011-2014
Matt Wells(43) - Utah State 2013-
Steve Fairchild(53) - Colorado State 2008-2011
Larry Porter(39) - Memphis 2010-2011
Don Treadwell(53) - Miami(OH) 2011-2013
Willie Taggart(36) - WKU 2010-2012
Scott Satterfield(43) - App 2013-

Not as special as one might think. You can almost fill a G5 conference with the current ones. I am sure there are more in the past. I included in parenthesis how old they their last year if they left or current if still there. Again the longest tenured coach is Troy Calhoun at the Air Force Academy. 0 conference championships. His last contract was upped to $885k base salary. Some got fired. Some went NFLing as position coaches. Some went P5ing as a head coach. Some went to a different G5 like Willie.

Go easy on eric.. he tends to shoot from the hip and miss the barn.

(12-14-2016 06:08 AM)hapapp Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 04:20 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  $525 base, $25-50 for conference title, $25 for hopefully a bowl victory, $25 for APR. I'm sure I'm missing something but not 300k.

Saint, According to this article, it is almost $300,000.

http://www.journalnow.com/sports/asu/app...35b04.html

That's the opportunity to earn $300k. He'd have to make the playoffs to see that.

He'll get about $100 is bonuses this year if we win Saturday.

it's so funny how bent out of shape appy fans get when you point out that satterfield will one day leave boone for a higher paycheck.

Not that he will take any higher paycheck that comes along, but he will leave for a higher paycheck. If he never does, that means either app falls to mediocrity, or nosedives, in which case they run him and his family out of town, and his love for Boone means nothing, because he didn't win.

(12-13-2016 07:11 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:20 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 03:26 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  If Satterfield does continue to succeed, I do think he will get more schools coming to him. Although the increase in salary would be a big part of what would interest him, I also think other factors would play a role. I think he would want it to be a whole new challenge, not a job that is just marginally higher paying or more resources. In other words, he wouldn't leave App for Tulane.

I think NC State is the job which would be more likely than most to offer Satterfield if/when it comes open, and also one which he would be more likely to accept. It checks off many of the non-salary interests for him that App does: proximity to his family and his wife's; opportunity to recruit the same states and high schools where he already has relationships; pretty good, mostly sensible football fanbase (by NC stamdards) where expectations are high while fans know the team's challenges against the upper crust of FBS. I think this job, more so than some school in another region of the country, would do a better job in allowing Satterfield to bridge what he's doing well now to a place with a tougher schedule and deeper resources.

I do take Satterfield at his word about being happy in Boone. Raleigh is great, on paper one of the best places to live in the country, and I do expect to live here for a long time, but Boone is where I daydream about all the time. It's so beautiful, in my opinion, that it's ridiculous. It's was hard to leave there, and that was after only four years of living there. It would be a lot harder at his age after having spent basically all but three years of his life since he was 18 to move ANYWHERE else. But the man is also a competitor, and while he is not pursuing other jobs, others will eventually pursue him. And if/whenever he goes, all any App can is thank him for giving his all for Appalachian.

I suppose some people just can't wrap their minds around a guy sticking with somewhere he loves to live and raise his kids. A place where he will always be the King. A guy who is content with making $600,000 rather than $1 million. Someone who doesn't like the pressure that comes with thousands of ignorant fans and the scrutiny of antagonistic sports writers. The huge paydays with being a HC for a big time program comes with huge expectations. I can only imaging the fruatration of dealing with thousands of idiots who have never strapped on a helmet in their life, but are convinced they know more about football than you do.

Have some people become so obsessed with money they can't come to grips with someone who is simply content with their life? I'm an old guy. Been around the block a few times and have seen and experienced what the pressures that come with high profile positions can do to someone. Perhaps that's the reason for my take on all this. But I've also known Scott a long time. While he may very well bolt at the first chance he gets I don't think he will jump into a bad situation just to say he is a P5 coach. IMO, the situation that will attract him is at the lower level of P5 where he is following someone who's been successful. Stresses high academics and demands high moral character from it's athletes. There's only a hand full of those types of places around.

A million? The very bottom of P5 is around 2.5. He would make 4 years of salary every year at a P5. Even if gets fired after 4 years at a P5 it would take him 15 years to make that money at App. And it sure sounds like if he left for 4 years and made 12-15 million dollars and got fired that you both would be happy to have each other back. AAC schools are starting to get in the 2.5 million range.

Once again, it's NOT all about the money to some people. As far as coming back if he gets canned, well App isn't just going to sit around waiting for him. We moved on are probably doing just fine without him. Satterfield will have a pocket full of cash and if histroy holds true it's unlikely he will ever be a head coach again. Former App coach Sparky Woods took us from doormat to 3 conference championships and the 1-AA semi finals in 5 years. He was the toast of town and adored by App fans. A good friend who was on that staff told me he was also obsessed with making it to the big time. South Carolina comes calling and off he goes. The Gamecocks fire him after 5 years and Sparky is a vagabond coach (7 stops since leaving USC) the remainder of his career. I had dinner with Sparky a couple of years back and he said leaving App was the worst decision he ever made. Every coach thinks they have the answers, but the landscape is littered with those guys. As Aretha said "You Better Think" !

(12-12-2016 09:03 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 08:59 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The Dreaded "I'm happy here" quote. I wish App luck on their coaching search next season.

Exactly what I thought when I read it

Yeah his days are numbered there.

(12-14-2016 08:09 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  it's so funny how bent out of shape appy fans get when you point out that satterfield will one day leave boone for a higher paycheck.

Not that he will take any higher paycheck that comes along, but he will leave for a higher paycheck. If he never does, that means either app falls to mediocrity, or nosedives, in which case they run him and his family out of town, and his love for Boone means nothing, because he didn't win.

So you say if Satterfield stays at App the program will falli nto mediocrity, or nosedive? JM stayed around 25 years and I don't recall that happening. But during that same time span GA So couldn't keep anyone around longer than 5 years and became a revolving door.

Tim Stowers fied after 5 years
Paul Johnson was successful & moved on after 4 years
Mike Seawak fired afterr 4 years
Brian VanGorder run out of town after 1 year,
Chris Hatcher fired after 3 years
Jeff Monken moved on - to the delight of a great many Eagle fans - after 4 years

As of late Willie Quitz left after 2 years, and now you guys want to run Summers out of town after a year.

Since 1989 App has had 2 head coaches. Ga Southern 9, including Erk's last year.

(12-14-2016 08:32 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 07:11 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:20 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 03:26 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  If Satterfield does continue to succeed, I do think he will get more schools coming to him. Although the increase in salary would be a big part of what would interest him, I also think other factors would play a role. I think he would want it to be a whole new challenge, not a job that is just marginally higher paying or more resources. In other words, he wouldn't leave App for Tulane.

I think NC State is the job which would be more likely than most to offer Satterfield if/when it comes open, and also one which he would be more likely to accept. It checks off many of the non-salary interests for him that App does: proximity to his family and his wife's; opportunity to recruit the same states and high schools where he already has relationships; pretty good, mostly sensible football fanbase (by NC stamdards) where expectations are high while fans know the team's challenges against the upper crust of FBS. I think this job, more so than some school in another region of the country, would do a better job in allowing Satterfield to bridge what he's doing well now to a place with a tougher schedule and deeper resources.

I do take Satterfield at his word about being happy in Boone. Raleigh is great, on paper one of the best places to live in the country, and I do expect to live here for a long time, but Boone is where I daydream about all the time. It's so beautiful, in my opinion, that it's ridiculous. It's was hard to leave there, and that was after only four years of living there. It would be a lot harder at his age after having spent basically all but three years of his life since he was 18 to move ANYWHERE else. But the man is also a competitor, and while he is not pursuing other jobs, others will eventually pursue him. And if/whenever he goes, all any App can is thank him for giving his all for Appalachian.

I suppose some people just can't wrap their minds around a guy sticking with somewhere he loves to live and raise his kids. A place where he will always be the King. A guy who is content with making $600,000 rather than $1 million. Someone who doesn't like the pressure that comes with thousands of ignorant fans and the scrutiny of antagonistic sports writers. The huge paydays with being a HC for a big time program comes with huge expectations. I can only imaging the fruatration of dealing with thousands of idiots who have never strapped on a helmet in their life, but are convinced they know more about football than you do.

Have some people become so obsessed with money they can't come to grips with someone who is simply content with their life? I'm an old guy. Been around the block a few times and have seen and experienced what the pressures that come with high profile positions can do to someone. Perhaps that's the reason for my take on all this. But I've also known Scott a long time. While he may very well bolt at the first chance he gets I don't think he will jump into a bad situation just to say he is a P5 coach. IMO, the situation that will attract him is at the lower level of P5 where he is following someone who's been successful. Stresses high academics and demands high moral character from it's athletes. There's only a hand full of those types of places around.

A million? The very bottom of P5 is around 2.5. He would make 4 years of salary every year at a P5. Even if gets fired after 4 years at a P5 it would take him 15 years to make that money at App. And it sure sounds like if he left for 4 years and made 12-15 million dollars and got fired that you both would be happy to have each other back. AAC schools are starting to get in the 2.5 million range.

Once again, it's NOT all about the money to some people. As far as coming back if he gets canned, well App isn't just going to sit around waiting for him. We moved on are probably doing just fine without him. Satterfield will have a pocket full of cash and if histroy holds true it's unlikely he will ever be a head coach again. Former App coach Sparky Woods took us from doormat to 3 conference championships and the 1-AA semi finals in 5 years. He was the toast of town and adored by App fans. A good friend who was on that staff told me he was also obsessed with making it to the big time. South Carolina comes calling and off he goes. The Gamecocks fire him after 5 years and Sparky is a vagabond coach (7 stops since leaving USC) the remainder of his career. I had dinner with Sparky a couple of years back and he said leaving App was the worst decision he ever made. Every coach thinks they have the answers, but the landscape is littered with those guys. As Aretha said "You Better Think" !

If it was all about the money with him he would be gone already. Him leaving for a bigger job and more money is not the same thing...but hey, if thinking somehow App and satterfield are immune to the business helps you sleep at night go right ahead. He will be there right up until he isn't. Let me ask you something, assuming you work...if you had no other job lined up and someone asked you how do you like your job and you knew it would be made public, what would you say? Another question, who was the last coach that came out and say he wasn't gappyvwhere he was? Being happy somewhere and being content are 2 different things. Coaches are head coaches because of their ego, they all think they can win. They all think they are the next nick Saban.

(12-14-2016 08:40 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 09:03 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 08:59 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The Dreaded "I'm happy here" quote. I wish App luck on their coaching search next season.

Exactly what I thought when I read it

Yeah his days are numbered there.

Considering Satterfield is 3-1 vs Ga Southern outscoring the Eagles by 43 points, you can always hope.

(12-14-2016 08:52 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 08:09 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  it's so funny how bent out of shape appy fans get when you point out that satterfield will one day leave boone for a higher paycheck.

Not that he will take any higher paycheck that comes along, but he will leave for a higher paycheck. If he never does, that means either app falls to mediocrity, or nosedives, in which case they run him and his family out of town, and his love for Boone means nothing, because he didn't win.

So you say if Satterfield stays at App the program will falli nto mediocrity, or nosedive? JM stayed around 25 years and I don't recall that happening. But during that same time span GA So couldn't keep anyone around longer than 5 years and became a revolving door.

Tim Stowers fied after 5 years
Paul Johnson was successful & moved on after 4 years
Mike Seawak fired afterr 4 years
Brian VanGorder run out of town after 1 year,
Chris Hatcher fired after 3 years
Jeff Monken moved on - to the delight of a great many Eagle fans - after 4 years

As of late Willie Quitz left after 2 years, and now you guys want to run Summers out of town after a year.

Since 1989 App has had 2 head coaches. Ga Southern 9, including Erk's last year.

So how many losing seasons in a row would the fan base allow satterfield to have? Since he is an alum and won't leave for money, he should be reciprocated with the benefit of not being fired for performance for an extended period of time...more than a non-alumnus for sure

(12-14-2016 09:08 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  So how many losing seasons in a row would the fan base allow satterfield to have? Since he is an alum and won't leave for money, he should be reciprocated with the benefit of not being fired for performance for an extended period of time...more than a non-alumnus for sure

This. Otherwise he risks being another Ruffin McNeill at ECU. Let go after a 5-7 season with an 8-5, 10-3, & 8-5 seasons prior. And McNeill was an alum.

I enjoy how involved other schools are in this conversation - aka we're tired of losing to this guy.