(11-13-2016 12:30 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 12:26 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(11-12-2016 10:18 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Gonna be wierd playing all but one sport at one campus, and football at the other campus. I don't see that as a way to build a solid program. Students at the other campus will be removed from the program and just won't care.

Ga St and Ga Perimeter merged, so it's not like there isn't precedent in taking over athletic teams. How is that merger going, specifically for athletics? Granted, Georgia Perimeter was primarily a JC, but had some 4 yr degrees and athletic teams, but the athletic dollars from GA Perimeter from student fees now goes to Ga State.

I would think all Ga parimeter sports went away, and they kept the facilities and programs at GaSt. Not exactly the same idea of bringing in a football program from another campus.

Probably only football and maybe baseball will survive at Kingsville, as the CC programs are at DI and better facilities. To CC students, it will be like adding a football team, much like what happened at USA playing far away from campus.

(11-13-2016 12:34 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 12:30 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 12:26 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(11-12-2016 10:18 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Gonna be wierd playing all but one sport at one campus, and football at the other campus. I don't see that as a way to build a solid program. Students at the other campus will be removed from the program and just won't care.

Ga St and Ga Perimeter merged, so it's not like there isn't precedent in taking over athletic teams. How is that merger going, specifically for athletics? Granted, Georgia Perimeter was primarily a JC, but had some 4 yr degrees and athletic teams, but the athletic dollars from GA Perimeter from student fees now goes to Ga State.

I would think all Ga parimeter sports went away, and they kept the facilities and programs at GaSt. Not exactly the same idea of bringing in a football program from another campus.

Probably only football and maybe baseball will survive at Kingsville, as the CC programs are at DI and better facilities. To CC students, it will be like adding a football team, much like what happened at USA playing far away from campus.

Ladd is 8 miles from campus, and all other football facilities are on campus, not 45 miles away like these two campuses are.

(11-13-2016 01:05 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 12:34 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 12:30 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 12:26 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(11-12-2016 10:18 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Gonna be wierd playing all but one sport at one campus, and football at the other campus. I don't see that as a way to build a solid program. Students at the other campus will be removed from the program and just won't care.

Ga St and Ga Perimeter merged, so it's not like there isn't precedent in taking over athletic teams. How is that merger going, specifically for athletics? Granted, Georgia Perimeter was primarily a JC, but had some 4 yr degrees and athletic teams, but the athletic dollars from GA Perimeter from student fees now goes to Ga State.

I would think all Ga parimeter sports went away, and they kept the facilities and programs at GaSt. Not exactly the same idea of bringing in a football program from another campus.

Probably only football and maybe baseball will survive at Kingsville, as the CC programs are at DI and better facilities. To CC students, it will be like adding a football team, much like what happened at USA playing far away from campus.

Ladd is 8 miles from campus, and all other football facilities are on campus, not 45 miles away like these two campuses are.

Ladd is 30 min to the campus because of troffic in West Mobile. It's not that much different from Corpus- Kingsville. Most football players need to have classes in Kingsville though. That would be a difference.

Still completely unrelated. Having an off campus stadium is completely different then having two campuses that are an hour apart and in two different cities.

(11-13-2016 10:07 AM)Usajags Wrote:  Still completely unrelated. Having an off campus stadium is completely different then having two campuses that are an hour apart and in two different cities.

Merging the sports will be difficult. CC has a very good volleyball team that just swept the SLC while Kingsville, at 14-6, was 3rd in theirs. That would be like trying to combine stAte and TXST. How do you do that? CC's MBB is very good, don't know about Kingsville. CC's baseball is on the uptick while their softball is mediocre at best and their facilities suck eggs. If they(BsB) didn't have the AA stadium at their disposal it would be even worse.
Kingsville has better Baseball and softball facilities and they have T&F in their FB stadium.
Just using these examples it would be a really hard call. I don't know how they would do it or justify any move or merger.

IF, and it's a Big IF, there's a merger, it won't be about athletics . . .

It'll be about size, securing additional state monies, and the potential prestige those two things can bring . . . (Maybe some administrative cost savings). In any event, talk of a merger at this point is just that, Talk . . .
Nothing has been formalized, and nothing's been brought before the Legislature . . . A body, which once convened, ensures that no man, woman, child, or animal in the state of Texas is safe . . .

(11-12-2016 12:43 AM)NoDak Wrote:  I used to live less than a mile from South Alabama, and much of what you said about Corpus Christi could be applied to Mobile. Mobile is crazy about the Tide and less so about Auburn, but USA was hardly a blip on the local scene. Haven't lived there for eight years, but it doesn't sound like it's changed much.

It's much better than 8 years ago and getting better every year. It'll get only better in the next 8 years when the generation who's never been to any college games other than USA start raising their families as South fans.

(11-13-2016 02:20 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(11-12-2016 12:43 AM)NoDak Wrote:  I used to live less than a mile from South Alabama, and much of what you said about Corpus Christi could be applied to Mobile. Mobile is crazy about the Tide and less so about Auburn, but USA was hardly a blip on the local scene. Haven't lived there for eight years, but it doesn't sound like it's changed much.

It's much better than 8 years ago and getting better every year. It'll get only better in the next 8 years when the generation who's never been to any college games other than USA start raising their families as South fans.

The biggest thing you guys could get is an OCS. I think GSU will start to improve when they have their own place.

(11-13-2016 01:15 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  IF, and it's a Big IF, there's a merger, it won't be about athletics . . .

It'll be about size, securing additional state monies, and the potential prestige those two things can bring . . . (Maybe some administrative cost savings). In any event, talk of a merger at this point is just that, Talk . . .
Nothing has been formalized, and nothing's been brought before the Legislature . . . A body, which once convened, ensures that no man, woman, child, or animal in the state of Texas is safe . . .

I realize athletics is not the reasons they are throwing about for a merger but it is something they certainly would have to address near the top of the list.

Lead story in the paper here today. I haven't read it yet, though.

(11-12-2016 12:29 AM)CatMom Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:54 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UT-Brownsville, which was DII, merged with UT-Pan American, which was DI, to form UT-Rio Grande Valley, which has nearly 30k student, is DI, and Mack Brown is on a committee to establish football first at an FCS level and then at the FBS level.

Corpus Christi is a locale that is starving for college football. See a push for an FBS team as a likely outcome. There's talk that Kingsville will have a new football stadium and later it will go FBS if they have an invite. The combined campuses have over 20k students, and with the merger, the finances will only get stronger as duplicate programs will be cut.

I have to disagree with that as I live in CC. These people could not be less interested in football. They have large HS stadiums with very small crowds. My HS, in a town of less than 5K, had more people attend games than they do here in a city of over 300K. They don't support TAMUCC, they support UT and A&M. You can't even get their gear in any store here. They do a lot with a lot less money and minimal support. Their baseball and softball facilities are horrible. Baseball does have a lot of their games at Whataburger Field (Astros AA team). There isn't even any parking for the games (on campus) that you don't worry the whole time if you'll get towed or have a ticket on your windshield afterward. Most of their BB games are played at the American Bank Center. They need a lot of work on most of their facilities and there is really no room for them to build anything new where they are. I don't even know where/if they have a T&F facility. I've never seen a facility but I've only been here 2 1/2 years and don't make routine visits to the campus like I did TXST and I only live 8 miles from there.

Here's their campus
TAMUCC
(zoom in to Ward Island on the Bay)

The $8.8 million track and soccer stadium is only a few years old. I haven't been there in person, but it looks pretty nice based on the pictures.
http://www.tamucc.edu/marcom/stadium/

My understanding is that the baseball and softball fields were improved in 2012 with a multi-million dollar project (just after Texas State left the SLC).
http://goislanders.com/news/2011/11/1/11...h=baseball

Permanent seating for the baseball stadium is now up to 700. Berm seating adds to the capacity. There is still have a long way to go to match Bobcat Stadium, but I believe future plans before merger talks were to build new stadiums on the mainland Momentum Campus where the new track & field/soccer stadium is. (See page 6 of the linked document below for an artist's rendition of the proposals.)
https://www.tamucc.edu/about/assets/TAMU..._Final.pdf

The tennis courts which opened in 2012 are also located on the Momentum Campus. http://www.youvisit.com/tour/photos/tamu...8?id=49257

I was just there this past season when TXST softball played at CC. It's horrible. The guys did play in CC also but it was a tournament and it was at WhatABurger Field. That Berm. It isn't really a berm and you can't see a dang thing that is actually going on from there. I was going to take pictures while I was at the game but decided against it. My hometown little league field was better and that was over 50 years ago. If they made improvements, I really don't know what it looked like before.

They do have a nice pool but no swim team. I couldn't find anything on T&F. They have a gym for VB and BB but they do play a lot at ABC. I only went to the softball game because it was TXST plus my great niece knows someone on the team and she wanted to go. I went to the baseball tourney because I hadn't been to a TXST game since 2013.

(11-13-2016 05:49 PM)CatMom Wrote:  I was just there this past season when TXST softball played at CC. It's horrible. The guys did play in CC also but it was a tournament and it was at WhatABurger Field. That Berm. It isn't really a berm and you can't see a dang thing that is actually going on from there. I was going to take pictures while I was at the game but decided against it. My hometown little league field was better and that was over 50 years ago. If they made improvements, I really don't know what it looked like before.

They do have a nice pool but no swim team. I couldn't find anything on T&F. They have a gym for VB and BB but they do play a lot at ABC. I only went to the softball game because it was TXST plus my great niece knows someone on the team and she wanted to go. I went to the baseball tourney because I hadn't been to a TXST game since 2013.

I went to Texas A&I my first year and have followed them a little. I lived a couple doors from Eugene Upshaw the football player and would eat breakfast with him often. They used to always be one of the top small college football teams. A&I is much more of a real college than ucc and has been around for a hundred or so years. They are near the home of the King Ranch and they have some very good programs in engineering and business and many students and alums did not like the name change and being absorbed into the a-m system but it has brought them better funding over the years. I cant imagine a merger like this being their idea. Only a few of their longtime rivals have gone D1 and only Tarleton has been talking about it lately. The only incentive might be panam adding a D1 team. maybe they dont want to be second fiddle to them.

(11-13-2016 09:21 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 05:49 PM)CatMom Wrote:  I was just there this past season when TXST softball played at CC. It's horrible. The guys did play in CC also but it was a tournament and it was at WhatABurger Field. That Berm. It isn't really a berm and you can't see a dang thing that is actually going on from there. I was going to take pictures while I was at the game but decided against it. My hometown little league field was better and that was over 50 years ago. If they made improvements, I really don't know what it looked like before.

They do have a nice pool but no swim team. I couldn't find anything on T&F. They have a gym for VB and BB but they do play a lot at ABC. I only went to the softball game because it was TXST plus my great niece knows someone on the team and she wanted to go. I went to the baseball tourney because I hadn't been to a TXST game since 2013.

I went to Texas A&I my first year and have followed them a little. I lived a couple doors from Eugene Upshaw the football player and would eat breakfast with him often. They used to always be one of the top small college football teams. A&I is much more of a real college than ucc and has been around for a hundred or so years. They are near the home of the King Ranch and they have some very good programs in engineering and business and many students and alums did not like the name change and being absorbed into the a-m system but it has brought them better funding over the years. I cant imagine a merger like this being their idea. Only a few of their longtime rivals have gone D1 and only Tarleton has been talking about it lately. The only incentive might be panam adding a D1 team. maybe they dont want to be second fiddle to them.

You might want to step back on that assessment. The article in the CC paper today stated that the meeting that took place with the BOR, on Thursday, had no reps from TAMUCC. That everything proposed for the merger was all about retaining everything Kingsville and little about CC. There's been no transparency in the whole situation, so far, per the State reps for CC, Robstown and McAllen.

(11-13-2016 11:55 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 09:21 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 05:49 PM)CatMom Wrote:  I was just there this past season when TXST softball played at CC. It's horrible. The guys did play in CC also but it was a tournament and it was at WhatABurger Field. That Berm. It isn't really a berm and you can't see a dang thing that is actually going on from there. I was going to take pictures while I was at the game but decided against it. My hometown little league field was better and that was over 50 years ago. If they made improvements, I really don't know what it looked like before.

They do have a nice pool but no swim team. I couldn't find anything on T&F. They have a gym for VB and BB but they do play a lot at ABC. I only went to the softball game because it was TXST plus my great niece knows someone on the team and she wanted to go. I went to the baseball tourney because I hadn't been to a TXST game since 2013.

I went to Texas A&I my first year and have followed them a little. I lived a couple doors from Eugene Upshaw the football player and would eat breakfast with him often. They used to always be one of the top small college football teams. A&I is much more of a real college than ucc and has been around for a hundred or so years. They are near the home of the King Ranch and they have some very good programs in engineering and business and many students and alums did not like the name change and being absorbed into the a-m system but it has brought them better funding over the years. I cant imagine a merger like this being their idea. Only a few of their longtime rivals have gone D1 and only Tarleton has been talking about it lately. The only incentive might be panam adding a D1 team. maybe they dont want to be second fiddle to them.

You might want to step back on that assessment. The article in the CC paper today stated that the meeting that took place with the BOR, on Thursday, had no reps from TAMUCC. That everything proposed for the merger was all about retaining everything Kingsville and little about CC. There's been no transparency in the whole situation, so far, per the State reps for CC, Robstown and McAllen.

maybe the javalinas sense a possible squeeze on the horizon. that article was a little hard to follow. first they say officials of both universities were present and in the next paragraph say the no officials or staff were present. That story does make it seem like the idea came from kingsville.

(11-13-2016 12:26 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(11-12-2016 10:18 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Gonna be wierd playing all but one sport at one campus, and football at the other campus. I don't see that as a way to build a solid program. Students at the other campus will be removed from the program and just won't care.

Ga St and Ga Perimeter merged, so it's not like there isn't precedent in taking over athletic teams. How is that merger going, specifically for athletics? Granted, Georgia Perimeter was primarily a JC, but had some 4 yr degrees and athletic teams, but the athletic dollars from GA Perimeter from student fees now goes to Ga State.

KSU and Southern Poly merged and GSU and GPC were the big ones in GA but there have been several others. It makes sense to cut down on costs. You pay one admin instead of two and only have one money losing athletic dept instead of two. I think when GS went to university status there were talks of some locals merging but instead we just got their masters programs. I think Armstrong would make a great GS Savannah campus and would go along with reasoning the other mergers that have happened.

(11-14-2016 01:31 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 12:26 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(11-12-2016 10:18 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Gonna be wierd playing all but one sport at one campus, and football at the other campus. I don't see that as a way to build a solid program. Students at the other campus will be removed from the program and just won't care.

Ga St and Ga Perimeter merged, so it's not like there isn't precedent in taking over athletic teams. How is that merger going, specifically for athletics? Granted, Georgia Perimeter was primarily a JC, but had some 4 yr degrees and athletic teams, but the athletic dollars from GA Perimeter from student fees now goes to Ga State.

KSU and Southern Poly merged and GSU and GPC were the big ones in GA but there have been several others. It makes sense to cut down on costs. You pay one admin instead of two and only have one money losing athletic dept instead of two. I think when GS went to university status there were talks of some locals merging but instead we just got their masters programs. I think Armstrong would make a great GS Savannah campus and would go along with reasoning the other mergers that have happened.

There is some pretty significant smoke around this idea happening I believe.

(11-14-2016 01:39 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:31 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 12:26 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(11-12-2016 10:18 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Gonna be wierd playing all but one sport at one campus, and football at the other campus. I don't see that as a way to build a solid program. Students at the other campus will be removed from the program and just won't care.

Ga St and Ga Perimeter merged, so it's not like there isn't precedent in taking over athletic teams. How is that merger going, specifically for athletics? Granted, Georgia Perimeter was primarily a JC, but had some 4 yr degrees and athletic teams, but the athletic dollars from GA Perimeter from student fees now goes to Ga State.

KSU and Southern Poly merged and GSU and GPC were the big ones in GA but there have been several others. It makes sense to cut down on costs. You pay one admin instead of two and only have one money losing athletic dept instead of two. I think when GS went to university status there were talks of some locals merging but instead we just got their masters programs. I think Armstrong would make a great GS Savannah campus and would go along with reasoning the other mergers that have happened.

There is some pretty significant smoke around this idea happening I believe.

Like with the KSU Southern Poly merger going to be huge push back but It make just as much sense as all the others if not more. They dont have football so makes it even easier athletically. In my masters classes most students were from the Savannah area having to drive all the way to Statesboro two nights a week.

So, after some investigation, this looks like it was back room politics trying to pull a fast one.

http://www.kristv.com/story/33718552/6-i...amu-merger

(11-15-2016 07:12 PM)CatMom Wrote:  So, after some investigation, this looks like it was back room politics trying to pull a fast one.

http://www.kristv.com/story/33718552/6-i...amu-merger

I'm not sure that this is as much about "pulling a fast one," as it is about "Keeping up with the Jones'." The Jones' in this case being UTRGV.

Most colleges in the state have reported increased enrollment for years now . . Public schools have increasingly crammed college down the throats of students for quite a while. It's led to a "we've got to get bigger, offer more" mentality. I can understand that they may have looked at UTRGV and perceived a threat to their long term viability. I can't really fault their intent, perhaps the methodology or execution could have been carried out better.

I'm not going to pretend to know anything about this although I did watch parts of the board meeting. Based on what I saw: They just want to follow the path UTRGV took and compared everything to that merger and school. The presentation was filled with a bunch of "ifs" and had no action plan, timetable, or factual evidence. This deal was being extremely rushed, they want to do in a couple of months a process that normally takes a couple of years. Not that I have any influence on this decision but I hope this merger never happens. Right now it looks like it's off the table:

A&M chancellor: Merger of Kingsville and Corpus Christi schools is not viable