Cluley's second INT was a route issue that falls on his OR Dedmon's shoulders. That should not happen after playing over two years together in the exact same system.

Steve was perfect the first drive but something got his head and he stopped making quick decisions. Maybe that "something" was his first interception, which was a bad pass, but he has to shake that off and go back to the winning formula from that first drive

(09-02-2016 09:17 AM)Tribal Wrote:  Cluley's second INT was a route issue that falls on his OR Dedmon's shoulders. That should not happen after playing over two years together in the exact same system.

Steve was perfect the first drive but something that got his head and he stopped making quick decisions.

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Good points. I thought our first drive was really solid.

The statistics for this one are really ugly. Much worse than Virginia Tech in 2014 and even worse than Virginia in 2011. I thought that for the first time in a long time, we didn't even really belong on the field with an FBS team.

Agree with the comments on the physicality of some of the NC State players, but we saw players at that level and better against UNC in 2010. Held up very well. Our defensive front in particular just did not seem to get any pressure.

I can't remember a single time where Cluley went through his progression. I know he was under some pressure but he's usually so solid at checking the ball down to someone like Caskin or a back. That just wasn't there all game. He'd lock into a receiver (usually Dedmon) and often try to force it. I think he just needs to take a step back in the next two games and go back to being more of a game manager who can make safe throws. Once he's got his rhythm back we can open up the playbook for conference play. He needs confidence more than anything else.

On the plus side I thought young guys like Parker and Funderburke played well. I'd love to see the latter paired up with some quick hits to our speedsters on the outside to create a thunder and lightning combo.

(09-02-2016 09:26 AM)ttgwm02 Wrote:  I thought that for the first time in a long time, we didn't even really belong on the field with an FBS team.

My take is slightly different.

IMO, Tribe's failure to execute was a bigger factor than any physical differences. The Tribe has to play a perfect game in these FBS games to be competitive, and last night was far from a perfect game from the good guys.

I also didn't think it was boys against men out there, either. I thought we belonged.

Having said that, watching the players go down during the game, and listening to JL's post-game comments about the limits on contact in practices, I find myself thinking, for the first time, that the physical gulf between the Tribe and ACC football programs may be getting insurmountable.

Never seen this site before, but a pretty concise summary of last night:

http://www.dailydelly.com/sports

All I can say is that I enjoyed my trip to Raleigh last November a lot more than last night. Lat night was bad enough to convince me that I won't drive to Chapel Hill to see the Dukes play on September 17.

Really looking forward to upcoming trip to W'Burg for the Elon game. We have a horsesitter so my wife is coming with me. It will be the 35th anniversary of our first date.

Lots of season left.

Go Tribe!

That's what the announcer said, but I don't buy it as an excuse for the interception. He threw the ball after Dedmon was in his route. Even if Dedmon was supposed to do a stop and go or some other upfield route he was throwing to a spot that was in double coverage or at least to where the safety help was. You don't make that throw ever in either case. He needed to read his progressions or just tuck it and run. That's why I said it looked like a panic throw. Almost like he wished it was on a string that he could get back.

(09-02-2016 09:17 AM)Tribal Wrote:  Cluley's second INT was a route issue that falls on his OR Dedmon's shoulders. That should not happen after playing over two years together in the exact same system.

Steve was perfect the first drive but something got his head and he stopped making quick decisions. Maybe that "something" was his first interception, which was a bad pass, but he has to shake that off and go back to the winning formula from that first drive

(09-02-2016 09:50 AM)hktribefan Wrote:  Never seen this site before, but a pretty concise summary of last night:

http://www.dailydelly.com/sports

I think you've stumbled upon the epicenter of the Kool-Aid Tsunami. That blog is glorious. I needed to be cheered up this morning

(09-02-2016 09:50 AM)hktribefan Wrote:  Never seen this site before, but a pretty concise summary of last night:

http://www.dailydelly.com/sports

Oh, the nostalgia. That site is glorious indeed!

(09-02-2016 10:08 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  That's what the announcer said, but I don't buy it as an excuse for the interception. He threw the ball after Dedmon was in his route. Even if Dedmon was supposed to do a stop and go or some other upfield route he was throwing to a spot that was in double coverage or at least to where the safety help was. You don't make that throw ever in either case. He needed to read his progressions or just tuck it and run. That's why I said it looked like a panic throw. Almost like he wished it was on a string that he could get back.

Yep. Even if Dedmon did run the wrong route, there was no way he was going to catch the ball if he ran to where Cluley threw it. 1 of 2 things would have happened - 1) It still would have been intercepted, or 2) Dedmon would have gotten lit up.

Dedmon was one of the few players I thought that looked good yesterday.

I am worried about the front 7 for W&M in future games, particularly the linebackers. The linebackers seem very slow and are probably the biggest weakness of our defense. They also missed a lot of tackles yesterday. I expect most teams we play are going to incorporate swing/screen passes to the RB relatively often to go after our linebackers.

Our most productive games last year we involved a multitude of players. Especially in the passing game. I've said many times the I understand the infatuation with Dedmon. He deserves all of the attention, but this receiving group is talented. Add Caskin and we should have no problem moving the ball. If we are only going to target one receiver on every play this will be a very dissapointing season.

The run game will improve. Until then the short game control passing game will work.

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(09-02-2016 11:13 AM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  I am worried about the front 7 for W&M in future games, particularly the linebackers. The linebackers seem very slow and are probably the biggest weakness of our defense. They also missed a lot of tackles yesterday. I expect most teams we play are going to incorporate swing/screen passes to the RB relatively often to go after our linebackers.

Jimmye said in his presser that Vlissides got hurt in warm-ups. I think he would have helped with depth if nothing else. I didn't like seeing Dulaney go down either. He looked really promising as a freshman but his injuries are really starting to pile up.

(09-02-2016 11:31 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:13 AM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  I am worried about the front 7 for W&M in future games, particularly the linebackers. The linebackers seem very slow and are probably the biggest weakness of our defense. They also missed a lot of tackles yesterday. I expect most teams we play are going to incorporate swing/screen passes to the RB relatively often to go after our linebackers.

Jimmye said in his presser that Vlissides got hurt in warm-ups. I think he would have helped with depth if nothing else. I didn't like seeing Dulaney go down either. He looked really promising as a freshman but his injuries are really starting to pile up.

Agree here. Times ten. I cant remember a time where our linebacker corps has been so thin.

I am very frustrated by the loss, but I like to remind myself that Richmond opened up the 2015 season with a 50-21 loss to a Maryland team that went 3-9 overall and 1-7 in conference play last season.

That is true, but i'm watching Richmond right now in the replay over Virginia. The gap between them and us right now is enormous, even if you discount the quality of UVa and consider NC State to be a bowl-bound program (which they probably are).

Regarding the physical gap - I thought at certain positions we were fine. We didn't play well on the O-line, but our offensive linemen are fast enough and big enough to compete. Same for our tight ends.

What no one has mentioned is that we were supposed to have an entire class of defensive linemen who were fifth-year seniors right now. VJ Davey, Grey Congo, Chris Donald, Tyler Claytor, and I think we had one more. Congo did not return for his fifth year, Davey was a non-entity in the first game (was he injured?), we burned Claytor's redshirt in a non-playoff season. Donald was the only contributor.

The secondary and linebackers were just nowhere near competitive. Swinton could hold his own, but I didn't think any of the other players could compete. A significant difference from recent years.

Agree at this point in time that UR looks much readier, and much more physical. We are all tired of losing to UR the last few years. We have to get some pass rush, which was lacking last year as well. The guys in the backfield will get shredded if QB's have all day. Not thrilled about blitzing too ofter for obvious reasons. Will want to see id we look better against other foes.

(09-04-2016 05:16 PM)ttgwm02 Wrote:  That is true, but i'm watching Richmond right now in the replay over Virginia. The gap between them and us right now is enormous, even if you discount the quality of UVa and consider NC State to be a bowl-bound program (which they probably are).

Regarding the physical gap - I thought at certain positions we were fine. We didn't play well on the O-line, but our offensive linemen are fast enough and big enough to compete. Same for our tight ends.

What no one has mentioned is that we were supposed to have an entire class of defensive linemen who were fifth-year seniors right now. VJ Davey, Grey Congo, Chris Donald, Tyler Claytor, and I think we had one more. Congo did not return for his fifth year, Davey was a non-entity in the first game (was he injured?), we burned Claytor's redshirt in a non-playoff season. Donald was the only contributor.

The secondary and linebackers were just nowhere near competitive. Swinton could hold his own, but I didn't think any of the other players could compete. A significant difference from recent years.

Great point about Davey. I didn't notice until you just mentioned it. I don't think Kleinrichert played either

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Davey did not play vs the Wolfpack. Heard he was injured

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Corey Parker is the STATS FCS Freshman of the Week and the CAA Rookie of the Week.


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(09-05-2016 01:08 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Corey Parker is the STATS FCS Freshman of the Week and the CAA Rookie of the Week.


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Hey now! He definitely earned it.

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