(05-06-2016 11:13 AM)WEARE Wrote:  Our deal may be less because the presidents and networks know something we don't yet. It is possible CUSA may lose schools to the AAC or MWC in another round of realignment. There are just too many variables to speculate at this point.

The deal is less because the tv execs know two teams will be leaving for the AAC, that is good stuff.

It's less because CUSA's brand is worth less than the last time it was negotiated, I know that's a tough pill to swallow for the remaining members.

I look forward to the disparaging SBC remarks, but remember blowing someone's candle out doesn't make yours any brighter.

IMO, if we want a shuffle, the SBC needs to take charge and not expect CUSA to cooperate with us developing some kind of elaborate plan plan. We need to make an overture to a CUSA member (like I said, MTSU might be the primary target) to come back. It probably can't be done right now, but just give it time.

Once that dam is broken, then we can really have a conversation about school exchanges.

(05-06-2016 11:55 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 11:13 AM)WEARE Wrote:  Our deal may be less because the presidents and networks know something we don't yet. It is possible CUSA may lose schools to the AAC or MWC in another round of realignment. There are just too many variables to speculate at this point.

The deal is less because the tv execs know two teams will be leaving for the AAC, that is good stuff.

It's less because CUSA's brand is worth less than the last time it was negotiated, I know that's a tough pill to swallow for the remaining members.

I look forward to the disparaging SBC remarks, but remember blowing someone's candle out doesn't make yours any brighter.

No, my feelings aren't hurt at all. I do agree that losing members hurt us badly, but I am also not sure realignment is finished. I am certainly no expert; however, there is a possibility it came in SO low because we are losing even more members.

I wont disparage the SBC. We both know what this will mean on your next negotiations. Honestly, it isn't good news for any G5. I didn't comment to cause animosity. I just am not sure we have all the details of everything at this time. It's too early to speculate.

(05-06-2016 12:07 PM)WEARE Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 11:55 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 11:13 AM)WEARE Wrote:  Our deal may be less because the presidents and networks know something we don't yet. It is possible CUSA may lose schools to the AAC or MWC in another round of realignment. There are just too many variables to speculate at this point.

The deal is less because the tv execs know two teams will be leaving for the AAC, that is good stuff.

It's less because CUSA's brand is worth less than the last time it was negotiated, I know that's a tough pill to swallow for the remaining members.

I look forward to the disparaging SBC remarks, but remember blowing someone's candle out doesn't make yours any brighter.

No, my feelings aren't hurt at all. I do agree that losing members hurt us badly, but I am also not sure realignment is finished. I am certainly no expert; however, there is a possibility it came in SO low because we are losing even more members.

I wont disparage the SBC. We both know what this will mean on your next negotiations. Honestly, it isn't good news for any G5. I didn't comment to cause animosity. I just am not sure we have all the details of everything at this time. It's too early to speculate.

I think it's safe to say that tv networks aren't going to sign tv deal based on things that may happen down the road. And if CUSA accepted a lesser deal because of the possibility of realignment, then they need to be fired. You negotiate on what you have now and what you currently bring.

I'm pretty sure back when the SB negotiated their TV deal, they weren't telling ESPN "hey, we might be bringing in Ga Southern and App in a few years. They might start off pretty hot! I think we need more money based off that."

Most are missing the point of the OP which is how can we be 56 days away and not know who will be showing CUSA games THIS FALL!?!?

(05-06-2016 12:00 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  IMO, if we want a shuffle, the SBC needs to take charge and not expect CUSA to cooperate with us developing some kind of elaborate plan plan. We need to make an overture to a CUSA member (like I said, MTSU might be the primary target) to come back. It probably can't be done right now, but just give it time.

Once that dam is broken, then we can really have a conversation about school exchanges.

None of the former SBC schools are going to say "Hey...we made a big booboo and are going to do exit and entrance fees again to end up right back where we were!". That's just not going to happen IMO. Ever. Luring MTSU back is a fantasy IMO.

The only ones who can trigger off something would be Rice, USM, UAB, etc. UAB is too worried about surviving. USM and Rice are busy looking for cracks that will let them weasel into the MWC or AAC.

I figure you need the door to close on MWC/AAC realignment and then...maybe....USM and Rice start thinking about reconfigurations. Even then I would think it would have to be something new....and not a move to the "Sun Belt".

(05-06-2016 12:07 PM)WEARE Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 11:55 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 11:13 AM)WEARE Wrote:  Our deal may be less because the presidents and networks know something we don't yet. It is possible CUSA may lose schools to the AAC or MWC in another round of realignment. There are just too many variables to speculate at this point.

The deal is less because the tv execs know two teams will be leaving for the AAC, that is good stuff.

It's less because CUSA's brand is worth less than the last time it was negotiated, I know that's a tough pill to swallow for the remaining members.

I look forward to the disparaging SBC remarks, but remember blowing someone's candle out doesn't make yours any brighter.

No, my feelings aren't hurt at all. I do agree that losing members hurt us badly, but I am also not sure realignment is finished. I am certainly no expert; however, there is a possibility it came in SO low because we are losing even more members.

I wont disparage the SBC. We both know what this will mean on your next negotiations. Honestly, it isn't good news for any G5. I didn't comment to cause animosity. I just am not sure we have all the details of everything at this time. It's too early to speculate.

The next SBC tv deal will be somewhere between our current deal and CUSA's deal (per school). It will not be 30 cents on the dollar.

(05-06-2016 12:49 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 12:07 PM)WEARE Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 11:55 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 11:13 AM)WEARE Wrote:  Our deal may be less because the presidents and networks know something we don't yet. It is possible CUSA may lose schools to the AAC or MWC in another round of realignment. There are just too many variables to speculate at this point.

The deal is less because the tv execs know two teams will be leaving for the AAC, that is good stuff.

It's less because CUSA's brand is worth less than the last time it was negotiated, I know that's a tough pill to swallow for the remaining members.

I look forward to the disparaging SBC remarks, but remember blowing someone's candle out doesn't make yours any brighter.

No, my feelings aren't hurt at all. I do agree that losing members hurt us badly, but I am also not sure realignment is finished. I am certainly no expert; however, there is a possibility it came in SO low because we are losing even more members.

I wont disparage the SBC. We both know what this will mean on your next negotiations. Honestly, it isn't good news for any G5. I didn't comment to cause animosity. I just am not sure we have all the details of everything at this time. It's too early to speculate.

The next SBC tv deal will be somewhere between our current deal and CUSA's deal (per school). It will not be 30 cents on the dollar.

You know this how? Oh, you are basing it on what you think yourself worth is.

Do you really think espn is going to pay the SBC 4x the amount they are now?

The SBC is losing 2 schools and adding another...that's a gain of 1 in money split. As it now the SBC gets maybe $100,000 a school. So if the $450,000 for each CUSA is correct the SBC would need 4x the amount they are getting today.

I can't see it happening especially if espn is in on the CUSA deal...

needing CONTENT will be the only reason espn would up the SBC money by 4x the amount. Well if they now have CUSA content. How much of the SBC do they need? Enough to pay 4 times what they are today?

(05-06-2016 10:32 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 06:26 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 05:23 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  It's pretty obvious that CUSA will be getting a sizable cut in TV revenue with our new contract. The drop in revenue won't be enough to affect the SBC's position in the G5 pecking order though, if that's what you're hoping for.
CUSA's new TV deal will still be worth more than that of the Sun Belt Conference.

This whole development will be negative for every G5 conference member, but especially for those of us in the MAC, SBC, and CUSA. I do understand your taking pleasure in watching CUSA take a hit, however, as our conferences compete for some of the same resources. TV revenue is one of them.

Well yes, we know that. We also know that you guys dividue your revenue between 4 more teams than we do, meaning if your TV revenue takes a significant cut, the likelihood is that the total revenues for the two leagues become about even.

THIS..It amazes me how this is lost on so many. If CUSA gets a 28M dollars a year in media revenue we only need 20M. Huge advantage for the SBC to only have ten teams. Our current deal does not even include a CCG which hopefully we will have in 2017. This extends to bowl and playoff payouts as well. IIRC G5's get a 10M payout from the playoffs. If that is correct each Sun Belt member gets nearly $285K+/-K more per team vs CUSA and $170K+/- more than all the other 12 team G5's. That is not program changing money but it is not chump change either and draws the Belt way closer to the other G5's.

IIRC, each conference gets $1 million per team up to 12 teams from the playoffs. The SBC teams get more per team than CUSA because CUSA is splitting $12 million 14 ways while the SBC will be splitting $10 million 10 ways. The other 12 team G5s conferences will get the same per team as the SBC.

(05-06-2016 12:29 PM)panama Wrote:  Most are missing the point of the OP which is how can we be 56 days away and not know who will be showing CUSA games THIS FALL!?!?

Exactly. Pie-in-the-sky conference reshuffling isn't the lead for this story. It's the very strange disposition of the CUSA deal.

(05-06-2016 01:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 12:49 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 12:07 PM)WEARE Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 11:55 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 11:13 AM)WEARE Wrote:  Our deal may be less because the presidents and networks know something we don't yet. It is possible CUSA may lose schools to the AAC or MWC in another round of realignment. There are just too many variables to speculate at this point.

The deal is less because the tv execs know two teams will be leaving for the AAC, that is good stuff.

It's less because CUSA's brand is worth less than the last time it was negotiated, I know that's a tough pill to swallow for the remaining members.

I look forward to the disparaging SBC remarks, but remember blowing someone's candle out doesn't make yours any brighter.

No, my feelings aren't hurt at all. I do agree that losing members hurt us badly, but I am also not sure realignment is finished. I am certainly no expert; however, there is a possibility it came in SO low because we are losing even more members.

I wont disparage the SBC. We both know what this will mean on your next negotiations. Honestly, it isn't good news for any G5. I didn't comment to cause animosity. I just am not sure we have all the details of everything at this time. It's too early to speculate.

The next SBC tv deal will be somewhere between our current deal and CUSA's deal (per school). It will not be 30 cents on the dollar.

You know this how? Oh, you are basing it on what you think yourself worth is.

Do you really think espn is going to pay the SBC 4x the amount they are now?

The SBC is losing 2 schools and adding another...that's a gain of 1 in money split. As it now the SBC gets maybe $100,000 a school. So if the $450,000 for each CUSA is correct the SBC would need 4x the amount they are getting today.

I can't see it happening especially if espn is in on the CUSA deal...

needing CONTENT will be the only reason espn would up the SBC money by 4x the amount. Well if they now have CUSA content. How much of the SBC do they need? Enough to pay 4 times what they are today?

Its all how you sell the product

Level 1: Sun Belt television rights for home games versus P5 teams. Separate Bid
Level 2: Sun Belt television rights for midweek games. Separate Bid
Level 3: Sun Belt television rights for league games
Level 4: Rights to games not picked up on levels 1, 2, and 3.

My guess is that we're not getting anything for level 3. But we'll get something for our inventory of level 1 and 2 games.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Sun Belt got as much as CUSA does. Remember those midweek games are valuable. And if ESPN won't pay us for them, someone else will. People watch those games. And CUSA doesn't do midweek games

(05-06-2016 01:47 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 01:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 12:49 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 12:07 PM)WEARE Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 11:55 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The deal is less because the tv execs know two teams will be leaving for the AAC, that is good stuff.

It's less because CUSA's brand is worth less than the last time it was negotiated, I know that's a tough pill to swallow for the remaining members.

I look forward to the disparaging SBC remarks, but remember blowing someone's candle out doesn't make yours any brighter.

No, my feelings aren't hurt at all. I do agree that losing members hurt us badly, but I am also not sure realignment is finished. I am certainly no expert; however, there is a possibility it came in SO low because we are losing even more members.

I wont disparage the SBC. We both know what this will mean on your next negotiations. Honestly, it isn't good news for any G5. I didn't comment to cause animosity. I just am not sure we have all the details of everything at this time. It's too early to speculate.

The next SBC tv deal will be somewhere between our current deal and CUSA's deal (per school). It will not be 30 cents on the dollar.

You know this how? Oh, you are basing it on what you think yourself worth is.

Do you really think espn is going to pay the SBC 4x the amount they are now?

The SBC is losing 2 schools and adding another...that's a gain of 1 in money split. As it now the SBC gets maybe $100,000 a school. So if the $450,000 for each CUSA is correct the SBC would need 4x the amount they are getting today.

I can't see it happening especially if espn is in on the CUSA deal...

needing CONTENT will be the only reason espn would up the SBC money by 4x the amount. Well if they now have CUSA content. How much of the SBC do they need? Enough to pay 4 times what they are today?

Its all how you sell the product

Level 1: Sun Belt television rights for home games versus P5 teams. Separate Bid
Level 2: Sun Belt television rights for midweek games. Separate Bid
Level 3: Sun Belt television rights for league games
Level 4: Rights to games not picked up on levels 1, 2, and 3.

My guess is that we're not getting anything for level 3. But we'll get something for our inventory of level 1 and 2 games.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Sun Belt got as much as CUSA does. Remember those midweek games are valuable. And if ESPN won't pay us for them, someone else will. People watch those games. And CUSA doesn't do midweek games

If the SBC can get 4x the amount of money out of espn more power to each of you. If that happens then it's honestly about time the SBC got something from them. At the end of the day each of our schools need every penny we can get. And at the end of the day each of our conferences are a after thought to espn and any other TV outlet. At the end of the day all of us are content filler.

As fans we think we are worth more but honestly...

since espn has brainwashed the masses for the last 25 years. We will never see anything close to anything that would make a real difference to any of our schools.

For Western I just want to play football and basketball and beat the snot out of every school we play. If no one else thinks much of the wins. No skin off my back. I'm still going to enjoy each win.

(05-06-2016 05:23 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  It's pretty obvious that CUSA will be getting a sizable cut in TV revenue with our new contract. The drop in revenue won't be enough to affect the SBC's position in the G5 pecking order though, if that's what you're hoping for.
CUSA's new TV deal will still be worth more than that of the Sun Belt Conference.

This whole development will be negative for every G5 conference member, but especially for those of us in the MAC, SBC, and CUSA. I do understand your taking pleasure in watching CUSA take a hit, however, as our conferences compete for some of the same resources. TV revenue is one of them.

It is not negative for any of use that had a realistic perspective. The current CUSA teams had been living under someone else's contract. This is just a return to normal. We always knew that our contract had more value the last few years because it was with a network that had actual eyeballs on it. We have had recruits pick us over other programs in large part because they watched us play on Thursday nights.

The pecking order has not change since there really isn't one.

I said in between the two contracts. The SBC contract will be worth more than $1M per year, which is the current floor so unless you'd like to argue the SBC contract per school will be worth more than the CUSA contract my statement will prove to be correct.

(05-07-2016 06:30 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I said in between the two contracts. The SBC contract will be worth more than $1M per year, which is the current floor so unless you'd like to argue the SBC contract per school will be worth more than the CUSA contract my statement will prove to be correct.

Yea, its not like ESPN (or anyone) is going to pay a lot even if they quadruple the money. We aren't getting paid anything as it is and ESPN controls all the rights at all levels. Either ESPN pays more or relinquishes control. It's that simple. Looking at the numbers the SBC does pretty well on mid-week games (considering there is absolutely no promoting those games and they stick them on the lesser channels). I wouldn't mid selling mid-week games to ESPN, selling are Saturday games (if wanted) to CBS/Fox/NBC, and then allowing schools to sell the rest to regional TV (or at least online ESPN3). Thus allowing all games all season to be watched in some form. And those home P5 games need a huge payday too. IF ESPN wants to show App vs Miami or ArkSt vs Mizzu then they should be fair market value (my very simplified calculation would be to take what that P5 school gets for its conference TV games lets say 30M/year, I'll even give them a discount by dividing by 12, then take half of that since it is going to be against a G5 OOC opponenent = $1.25M) That is the low end of what these P5 conferences make on TV money. Heck I'd give them a super one time don't miss out deal and cut 50% off the asking price and make it only $625K per P5 home game they pick up.

I know, no chance in hell. But you come strong and then when you only get half of what you ask and it'll still be a huge improvement.

Looks like the stAte AD was right when asserting that a CUSA move was at most lateral and not worth the trouble or expense. With the TV contract now only a few hundred thousand more per team for CUSA and the split of CFP revenue a few hundred thousand less, the $$ is close to even.

More regional bowls, tighter footprint, 3 good adds, and 2 good drops, I'm good with the SBC.

The SBC definitely needs abetted deal for the home P5 games. Last year the ArkSt-Mizzou game wasn't even televised. Also been the same for South when we played MsSt at home, at least I don't remember that game being on tv.

Does anyone know the plans for the Miami-App St game????

(05-07-2016 08:21 AM)Usajags Wrote:  The SBC definitely needs abetted deal for the home P5 games. Last year the ArkSt-Mizzou game wasn't even televised. Also been the same for South when we played MsSt at home, at least I don't remember that game being on tv.

Does anyone know the plans for the Miami-App St game????

I think Mohajir refused to move it from 6 pm start and thus it wasn't televised. It was the grand opening of our new press box/suites and deserved to be an all day tailgate with a 6 pm kick.

We're just not going to have many 6 PM Saturday games on TV.

(05-07-2016 09:07 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 08:21 AM)Usajags Wrote:  The SBC definitely needs abetted deal for the home P5 games. Last year the ArkSt-Mizzou game wasn't even televised. Also been the same for South when we played MsSt at home, at least I don't remember that game being on tv.

Does anyone know the plans for the Miami-App St game????

I think Mohajir refused to move it from 6 pm start and thus it wasn't televised. It was the grand opening of our new press box/suites and deserved to be an all day tailgate with a 6 pm kick.

We're just not going to have many 6 PM Saturday games on TV.

And I wouldn't move it for TV. We aren't getting P5 money for the game. We're not getting half P5 money for the game.

(05-06-2016 05:23 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  It's pretty obvious that CUSA will be getting a sizable cut in TV revenue with our new contract. The drop in revenue won't be enough to affect the SBC's position in the G5 pecking order though, if that's what you're hoping for.
CUSA's new TV deal will still be worth more than that of the Sun Belt Conference.

This whole development will be negative for every G5 conference member, but especially for those of us in the MAC, SBC, and CUSA. I do understand your taking pleasure in watching CUSA take a hit, however, as our conferences compete for some of the same resources. TV revenue is one of them.

You are a moron.

Shove your stupid assumptions back in your stupid pie hole and quit creating moron fantasy about what my motives are mouth breather.