(01-27-2020 04:13 PM)Dukester Wrote: People said Lefty could not coach, he was just a good recruiter. In reality what his history showed was he could coach, and he could recruit, but as much as I love the man his teams choked more than any I've followed.
Lefty had 786 wins in his coach career. If the games were only 38 minutes, instead of 40, he would of had over 850 wins.
Even his ardent fans would agree that there is some truth to this.
I submit a very painful video as an example- the most painful 60 seconds I've ever witnessed: (but at least JMU was playing toe to toe w/ the big boys)
(01-28-2020 09:20 AM)dan10 Wrote: I don't disagree with the Lefty comments, however in that game you posted what would you like a coach to do there? A coach can do his best to focus players but it still comes down to players executing. Lefty can't make a guy make FT's, he can't make a guy not walk on the baseline on an inbounds. JMU players clearly felt the pressure (as teams do when things aren't going well and when you have a lead against a good team). You want to argue mentally tough, fine, but I don't know what a coach is supposed to do for those players. You can work on nerves and calming methods, in the end you can't control how a player feels and how it effects them. The players let JMU down in that clip, not the coach.
Yes, Fedor, Coles and Hood all missed front ends of 1&1s, a couple of them badly too.
I would have thought Fess Irvin would have played a larger role in playing keep away from UNC, as he was a great FT shooter. Also, knowing Carolina had to foul, wondered why we didn't bring another ball handler/good FT shooter like Kenny on those dead ball situations.
But what jumped out at me was consecutive inbounds where we looked ill prepared and flustered. The first one, Fedor used up all 5 seconds before desperately lobbing the ball in resulting in a turnover. The second one, he again couldn't pull the trigger and called timeout after 4 seconds. After the timeout, then he moved his feet resulting in another turnover.
All that said, I'd love to have the days of excruciating losses to good teams back.
The 1st one I will give you. It was good defense preventing a pass anywhere. The 2nd one, is the worst place on the entire court to be inbounding from IMO. That spot is setting you up for failure (for any team).
(01-27-2020 04:13 PM)Dukester Wrote: People said Lefty could not coach, he was just a good recruiter. In reality what his history showed was he could coach, and he could recruit, but as much as I love the man his teams choked more than any I've followed.
Lefty had 786 wins in his coach career. If the games were only 38 minutes, instead of 40, he would of had over 850 wins.
Even his ardent fans would agree that there is some truth to this.
I submit a very painful video as an example- the most painful 60 seconds I've ever witnessed: (but at least JMU was playing toe to toe w/ the big boys)
Damn.
Just listen to the names in that clip.
Amazing.
Sad as well
Kevin Madden was from RE Lee Staunton. He should have come to JMU. Just think of the local talent that could have put us over the top. Ralph Sampson and Kevin Madden for two.
The official John Moreau called many a high school game when I played and coached at King George. He called the state championship game my senior year. Lots of memories. It all comes down to free throws! Always!
VT is now in the ACC because of the Commonwealth's political savvy, not because of VTs 'clear vision'. That said, one could argue their influence in that forum was indeed part of a means to an end.
(01-29-2020 12:21 PM)Purplehazed Wrote: Grottoes, Dell Curry...Steph Curry whom got very few D1 offers. The other Curry now in the NBA spent time at LU.
I think the Lambiottes were local kids too. I believe one went on to play basketball at UVa then transferred to W&M to play football.
(01-29-2020 06:12 PM)boozeNammo Wrote: VT is now in the ACC because of the Commonwealth's political savvy, not because of VTs 'clear vision'. That said, one could argue their influence in that forum was indeed part of a means to an end.
Yes, politics helped them make the final jump to the ACC in June 2003, not that long ago in some ways. But they went from Indy to joining the Big East prior to that, which itself was similar in stature to the AAC. They did have a vision and goals, and acted on them. It wasn’t just handed on a silver platter.
These things take time, and progress is often measured in decades rather than years. But if you aren’t moving forward, you de facto move backward after a while (see MBB which declined an Atlantic 10 offer long ago when lefty was there). Would we have had success in the A10? Who knows, but it likely would have made our coaching position more attractive. VCU, RU, and GMU all used success to advance their programs to another conference level.
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(01-29-2020 06:12 PM)boozeNammo Wrote: VT is now in the ACC because of the Commonwealth's political savvy, not because of VTs 'clear vision'. That said, one could argue their influence in that forum was indeed part of a means to an end.
Yes, politics helped them make the final jump to the ACC in June 2003, not that long ago in some ways. But they went from Indy to joining the Big East prior to that, which itself was similar in stature to the AAC. They did have a vision and goals, and acted on them. It wasn’t just handed on a silver platter.
These things take time, and progress is often measured in decades rather than years. But if you aren’t moving forward, you de facto move backward after a while (see MBB which declined an Atlantic 10 offer long ago when lefty was there). Would we have had success in the A10? Who knows, but it likely would have made our coaching position more attractive. VCU, RU, and GMU all used success to advance their programs to another conference level.
VPI&SU and the ACC made a lot of sense. And, I think both sides are very happy and comfortable with their membership and their "fit" over the past 16 years. And yes, while there were some political moves to help them (along with their arch-rival pulling some strings as part of that process), looking back there is absolutely no question the ACC made a smart move in another sense. That is, I am a firm believer that if VPI&SU had been left out of the ACC's membership when those moves were made back in 2003 time frame, the Hokies would today be a part of the SEC. And, the ACC did NOT want the SEC moving into their core/heart of their conference geographically.
Sorry for contributing to steer way off topic with my reply.
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(01-29-2020 12:21 PM)Purplehazed Wrote: Grottoes, Dell Curry...Steph Curry whom got very few D1 offers. The other Curry now in the NBA spent time at LU.
I think the Lambiottes were local kids too. I believe one went on to play basketball at UVa then transferred to W&M to play football.
I played football and basketball against Kenny in high school. He was a very good athlete but I was surprised he was offered and even more surprised he played at UVA. He quickly realized that level of college was a bar a bit too high. He transferred to W&M where he was a standout QB and guard for the Tribe. I believe he made the Eagles roster in the NFL for at least one season.
Last I heard he got his law degree and did some basketball coaching in Richmond. I haven’t spoken with him since high school. He was a really good guy and smart too.
(01-27-2020 04:13 PM)Dukester Wrote: People said Lefty could not coach, he was just a good recruiter. In reality what his history showed was he could coach, and he could recruit, but as much as I love the man his teams choked more than any I've followed.
Lefty had 786 wins in his coach career. If the games were only 38 minutes, instead of 40, he would of had over 850 wins.
Even his ardent fans would agree that there is some truth to this.
I submit a very painful video as an example- the most painful 60 seconds I've ever witnessed: (but at least JMU was playing toe to toe w/ the big boys)
(01-27-2020 04:13 PM)Dukester Wrote: People said Lefty could not coach, he was just a good recruiter. In reality what his history showed was he could coach, and he could recruit, but as much as I love the man his teams choked more than any I've followed.
Lefty had 786 wins in his coach career. If the games were only 38 minutes, instead of 40, he would of had over 850 wins.
Even his ardent fans would agree that there is some truth to this.
I submit a very painful video as an example- the most painful 60 seconds I've ever witnessed: (but at least JMU was playing toe to toe w/ the big boys)
Damn.
Just listen to the names in that clip.
Amazing.
Sad as well
Kevin Madden was from RE Lee Staunton. He should have come to JMU. Just think of the local talent that could have put us over the top. Ralph Sampson and Kevin Madden for two.
The official John Moreau called many a high school game when I played and coached at King George. He called the state championship game my senior year. Lots of memories. It all comes down to free throws! Always!
This is just JMU. Campanelli's teams crapped the bed and lost close games too. He doesn't get a pass here. Losing a close game doesn't earn you points. It's still a loss.
Seriously? 3 consecutive NCAA appearances. Wins against Georgetown, Ohio State and West Virginia. A 2 point loss to MJ and the eventual Nation Champions. He put JMU on the map and the reason why I visited and came to JMU from Upstate NY. Otherwise would have never heard of JMU.
(01-27-2020 04:13 PM)Dukester Wrote: People said Lefty could not coach, he was just a good recruiter. In reality what his history showed was he could coach, and he could recruit, but as much as I love the man his teams choked more than any I've followed.
Lefty had 786 wins in his coach career. If the games were only 38 minutes, instead of 40, he would of had over 850 wins.
Even his ardent fans would agree that there is some truth to this.
I submit a very painful video as an example- the most painful 60 seconds I've ever witnessed: (but at least JMU was playing toe to toe w/ the big boys)
Damn.
Just listen to the names in that clip.
Amazing.
Sad as well
Kevin Madden was from RE Lee Staunton. He should have come to JMU. Just think of the local talent that could have put us over the top. Ralph Sampson and Kevin Madden for two.
The official John Moreau called many a high school game when I played and coached at King George. He called the state championship game my senior year. Lots of memories. It all comes down to free throws! Always!
And Moreau’s son graduated from JMU with me in ‘95.
(01-27-2020 04:13 PM)Dukester Wrote: People said Lefty could not coach, he was just a good recruiter. In reality what his history showed was he could coach, and he could recruit, but as much as I love the man his teams choked more than any I've followed.
Lefty had 786 wins in his coach career. If the games were only 38 minutes, instead of 40, he would of had over 850 wins.
Even his ardent fans would agree that there is some truth to this.
I submit a very painful video as an example- the most painful 60 seconds I've ever witnessed: (but at least JMU was playing toe to toe w/ the big boys)
Damn.
Just listen to the names in that clip.
Amazing.
Sad as well
Kevin Madden was from RE Lee Staunton. He should have come to JMU. Just think of the local talent that could have put us over the top. Ralph Sampson and Kevin Madden for two.
The official John Moreau called many a high school game when I played and coached at King George. He called the state championship game my senior year. Lots of memories. It all comes down to free throws! Always!
This is just JMU. Campanelli's teams crapped the bed and lost close games too. He doesn't get a pass here. Losing a close game doesn't earn you points. It's still a loss.
Name a game where a Campanelli team held a substantial lead in the final couple minutes of play and lost. Don't say the 82 Carolina game, because neither team held a substantial lead and the same for the UVA game in Godwin, that too nobody knew who was going to win until the end. We took Georgetown down to the end in 81 and won by 6. We took Ohio State down to the end and won by 7. Frankly, I don't remember a game where we collapsed at the end. Sure we lost some close games, even to teams who we clearly should have beat, but I don't recall even one collapse anything close to what this Lefty team did in this clip.
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(02-03-2020 07:32 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote: Not to take away from those teams but I don't think you can ignore that they played during a time when there was no shot clock nor any 3 point shots.
Who cares. Those teams played against teams that had NBA players that now would not be in college.
We beat Ohio State that had Clark Kellogg and Tony Campbell. We beat Georgetown that had Sleepy Floyd. Barely lost to Jordan, Worthy and Perkins of UNC. Barely lost to Sampson, Lamp and Raker of UVA. And the 3 pointer helps teams that are underdogs.
If we had a good coach we could be Wofford, East Tennessee State, Murray State, UMBC etc etc etc.
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(02-03-2020 07:32 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote: Not to take away from those teams but I don't think you can ignore that they played during a time when there was no shot clock nor any 3 point shots.
Who cares. Those teams played against teams that had NBA players that now would not be in college.
We beat Ohio State that had Clark Kellogg and Tony Campbell. We beat Georgetown that had Sleepy Floyd. Barely lost to Jordan, Worthy and Perkins of UNC. Barely lost to Sampson, Lamp and Raker of UVA. And the 3 pointer helps teams that are underdogs.
If we had a good coach we could be Wofford, East Tennessee State, Murray State, Mount Saint Mary’s etc etc etc.
I agree whole heartedly just saying that with those important rule changes I believe it’s more challenging to keep a lead in today’s college basketball - still no excuse for giving a big one up or for rarely having one in the first place.
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