(01-27-2020 10:01 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote: What if JMU loses our next 2 at home before sparse crowds and we comfortably lose with more stretches within each game where we don’t score? First one on CBS SN vs Charleston and the next at home vs the one team we have beaten Uncw who fired their coach and is now all of a sudden playing better? It’s a possible if not likely outcome and then what will leadership do past the halfway point in the season, pretty much locked into a bottom 3 seed? If Rowe is retained after that then I guess they are paying him the courtesy of coaching the year out. I think they have been more than fair and are probably doing more long term damage to players team and coach by subjecting them to an even longer losing streak without a change or a statement but maybe that’s just me.
Losing to CoC is basically a guarantee. UNCW was supposed to be one of our couple remaining wins, but now with their coaching change it looks like that may even be out of reach (shocker that a coaching change can sometimes make things better). If we lose to UNCW, we're down to one game we have a real chance at winning...however...even that after getting embarrassed AT Elon, I'd bet without a change in leadership that we lose that also. A week ago I was saying if we were lucky we might win 5 CAA games this year. Now we'll be lucky to win 3. But hell, I'm now on the boat that we might not win another game all season.
And yes, we're locked into bottom 3. The next tier of teams have 5 wins already. There's no way we get to 5 wins, much less the 8+ wins it will take once they finish out the season. At this point we're not going to pass Elon and if we lose to UNCW at home this week...there's no way we get out of last place. Projected top 4 and now will (most likely) finish in dead last with a max of 3 conference wins.
At this point, we'll have a very high chance of finishing outside the top 300 D1 teams. Yes, finishing in the bottom 50 of D1 teams. If we played EMU or Shenandoah tonight, I bet we'd lose. After starting 7-4, we're probably going to finish on a 2-16 run. We haven't finished outside the top 300 since 2005 when we were #314: 6-22 (3-16)...and that was the only finish outside the top 300...not a good record to match.
If we play defense we can beat all of them. I don't understand Rowe played under Lefty one of the best coaches JMU had and we were winning, winning, winning. The convo was packed every game. Did he not learn any defense under Lefty? Whoever his assistant is that is in charge of defense needs to be fired. We have no defense. We run up and down the floor and when we get the ball we shoot.
Frustrating, but I bet it is frustrating to the team as well.
People said Lefty could not coach, he was just a good recruiter. In reality what his history showed was he could coach, and he could recruit, but as much as I love the man his teams choked more than any I've followed.
Lefty had 786 wins in his coach career. If the games were only 38 minutes, instead of 40, he would of had over 850 wins.
But I think that was the worse mistake we made was to fire Lefty. At least we had winning seasons and excitement.
(01-27-2020 10:01 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote: What if JMU loses our next 2 at home before sparse crowds and we comfortably lose with more stretches within each game where we don’t score? First one on CBS SN vs Charleston and the next at home vs the one team we have beaten Uncw who fired their coach and is now all of a sudden playing better? It’s a possible if not likely outcome and then what will leadership do past the halfway point in the season, pretty much locked into a bottom 3 seed? If Rowe is retained after that then I guess they are paying him the courtesy of coaching the year out. I think they have been more than fair and are probably doing more long term damage to players team and coach by subjecting them to an even longer losing streak without a change or a statement but maybe that’s just me.
Losing to CoC is basically a guarantee. UNCW was supposed to be one of our couple remaining wins, but now with their coaching change it looks like that may even be out of reach (shocker that a coaching change can sometimes make things better). If we lose to UNCW, we're down to one game we have a real chance at winning...however...even that after getting embarrassed AT Elon, I'd bet without a change in leadership that we lose that also. A week ago I was saying if we were lucky we might win 5 CAA games this year. Now we'll be lucky to win 3. But hell, I'm now on the boat that we might not win another game all season.
And yes, we're locked into bottom 3. The next tier of teams have 5 wins already. There's no way we get to 5 wins, much less the 8+ wins it will take once they finish out the season. At this point we're not going to pass Elon and if we lose to UNCW at home this week...there's no way we get out of last place. Projected top 4 and now will (most likely) finish in dead last with a max of 3 conference wins.
At this point, we'll have a very high chance of finishing outside the top 300 D1 teams. Yes, finishing in the bottom 50 of D1 teams. If we played EMU or Shenandoah tonight, I bet we'd lose. After starting 7-4, we're probably going to finish on a 2-16 run. We haven't finished outside the top 300 since 2005 when we were #314: 6-22 (3-16)...and that was the only finish outside the top 300...not a good record to match.
If we play defense we can beat all of them. I don't understand Rowe played under Lefty one of the best coaches JMU had and we were winning, winning, winning. The convo was packed every game. Did he not learn any defense under Lefty? Whoever his assistant is that is in charge of defense needs to be fired. We have no defense. We run up and down the floor and when we get the ball we shoot.
Frustrating, but I bet it is frustrating to the team as well.
People said Lefty could not coach, he was just a good recruiter. In reality what his history showed was he could coach, and he could recruit, but as much as I love the man his teams choked more than any I've followed.
Lefty had 786 wins in his coach career. If the games were only 38 minutes, instead of 40, he would of had over 850 wins.
But I think that was the worse mistake we made was to fire Lefty. At least we had winning seasons and excitement.
Yep - JMU and many of it's fans thought JMU > Lefty. They will harp in - "it was time for a change." It was not time for a change, and Lefty was greater than JMU. Got rid of him right after a phantom call that cost an NCAA birth right after he had rebuilt the roster with talent. BYU, UNLV, Florida, Oklahoma (Billy Tubs in DC), Penn State, Va Tech, Auburn, Oregon St, Rutgers, Purdue, Minn, Butler, University Washington all came to Harrisonburg to play us because of Lefty - not because of JMU.
Yep - JMU>Greater than JMU. Lefty was holding us back & it was time for a change.
(01-27-2020 10:01 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote: What if JMU loses our next 2 at home before sparse crowds and we comfortably lose with more stretches within each game where we don’t score? First one on CBS SN vs Charleston and the next at home vs the one team we have beaten Uncw who fired their coach and is now all of a sudden playing better? It’s a possible if not likely outcome and then what will leadership do past the halfway point in the season, pretty much locked into a bottom 3 seed? If Rowe is retained after that then I guess they are paying him the courtesy of coaching the year out. I think they have been more than fair and are probably doing more long term damage to players team and coach by subjecting them to an even longer losing streak without a change or a statement but maybe that’s just me.
Losing to CoC is basically a guarantee. UNCW was supposed to be one of our couple remaining wins, but now with their coaching change it looks like that may even be out of reach (shocker that a coaching change can sometimes make things better). If we lose to UNCW, we're down to one game we have a real chance at winning...however...even that after getting embarrassed AT Elon, I'd bet without a change in leadership that we lose that also. A week ago I was saying if we were lucky we might win 5 CAA games this year. Now we'll be lucky to win 3. But hell, I'm now on the boat that we might not win another game all season.
And yes, we're locked into bottom 3. The next tier of teams have 5 wins already. There's no way we get to 5 wins, much less the 8+ wins it will take once they finish out the season. At this point we're not going to pass Elon and if we lose to UNCW at home this week...there's no way we get out of last place. Projected top 4 and now will (most likely) finish in dead last with a max of 3 conference wins.
At this point, we'll have a very high chance of finishing outside the top 300 D1 teams. Yes, finishing in the bottom 50 of D1 teams. If we played EMU or Shenandoah tonight, I bet we'd lose. After starting 7-4, we're probably going to finish on a 2-16 run. We haven't finished outside the top 300 since 2005 when we were #314: 6-22 (3-16)...and that was the only finish outside the top 300...not a good record to match.
If we play defense we can beat all of them. I don't understand Rowe played under Lefty one of the best coaches JMU had and we were winning, winning, winning. The convo was packed every game. Did he not learn any defense under Lefty? Whoever his assistant is that is in charge of defense needs to be fired. We have no defense. We run up and down the floor and when we get the ball we shoot.
Frustrating, but I bet it is frustrating to the team as well.
People said Lefty could not coach, he was just a good recruiter. In reality what his history showed was he could coach, and he could recruit, but as much as I love the man his teams choked more than any I've followed.
Lefty had 786 wins in his coach career. If the games were only 38 minutes, instead of 40, he would of had over 850 wins.
But I think that was the worse mistake we made was to fire Lefty. At least we had winning seasons and excitement.
We don't need to re-litigate that. But.....for one thing we've been over quite a bit here and even back on the CAA Zone days, Chuck was coaching the team at the end with Lefty barely making an effort. Not saying that makes the decision one way or the other but the hindsight sure has gotten clouded with purple through the decades of suck since.
(01-27-2020 04:13 PM)Dukester Wrote: People said Lefty could not coach, he was just a good recruiter. In reality what his history showed was he could coach, and he could recruit, but as much as I love the man his teams choked more than any I've followed.
Lefty had 786 wins in his coach career. If the games were only 38 minutes, instead of 40, he would of had over 850 wins.
Even his ardent fans would agree that there is some truth to this.
I submit a very painful video as an example- the most painful 60 seconds I've ever witnessed: (but at least JMU was playing toe to toe w/ the big boys)
(01-27-2020 10:31 AM)jmufan2008 Wrote: Losing to CoC is basically a guarantee. UNCW was supposed to be one of our couple remaining wins, but now with their coaching change it looks like that may even be out of reach (shocker that a coaching change can sometimes make things better). If we lose to UNCW, we're down to one game we have a real chance at winning...however...even that after getting embarrassed AT Elon, I'd bet without a change in leadership that we lose that also. A week ago I was saying if we were lucky we might win 5 CAA games this year. Now we'll be lucky to win 3. But hell, I'm now on the boat that we might not win another game all season.
And yes, we're locked into bottom 3. The next tier of teams have 5 wins already. There's no way we get to 5 wins, much less the 8+ wins it will take once they finish out the season. At this point we're not going to pass Elon and if we lose to UNCW at home this week...there's no way we get out of last place. Projected top 4 and now will (most likely) finish in dead last with a max of 3 conference wins.
At this point, we'll have a very high chance of finishing outside the top 300 D1 teams. Yes, finishing in the bottom 50 of D1 teams. If we played EMU or Shenandoah tonight, I bet we'd lose. After starting 7-4, we're probably going to finish on a 2-16 run. We haven't finished outside the top 300 since 2005 when we were #314: 6-22 (3-16)...and that was the only finish outside the top 300...not a good record to match.
If we play defense we can beat all of them. I don't understand Rowe played under Lefty one of the best coaches JMU had and we were winning, winning, winning. The convo was packed every game. Did he not learn any defense under Lefty? Whoever his assistant is that is in charge of defense needs to be fired. We have no defense. We run up and down the floor and when we get the ball we shoot.
Frustrating, but I bet it is frustrating to the team as well.
People said Lefty could not coach, he was just a good recruiter. In reality what his history showed was he could coach, and he could recruit, but as much as I love the man his teams choked more than any I've followed.
Lefty had 786 wins in his coach career. If the games were only 38 minutes, instead of 40, he would of had over 850 wins.
But I think that was the worse mistake we made was to fire Lefty. At least we had winning seasons and excitement.
We don't need to re-litigate that. But.....for one thing we've been over quite a bit here and even back on the CAA Zone days, Chuck was coaching the team at the end with Lefty barely making an effort. Not saying that makes the decision one way or the other but the hindsight sure has gotten clouded with purple through the decades of suck since.
My view has not changed in the 25 years. It was the only time I ever wrote a letter in disagreement to JMU. And that was before the internet, when I used to subscribe for a hard copy of the DNR in the mail.
(01-27-2020 04:13 PM)Dukester Wrote: People said Lefty could not coach, he was just a good recruiter. In reality what his history showed was he could coach, and he could recruit, but as much as I love the man his teams choked more than any I've followed.
Lefty had 786 wins in his coach career. If the games were only 38 minutes, instead of 40, he would of had over 850 wins.
Even his ardent fans would agree that there is some truth to this.
I submit a very painful video as an example- the most painful 60 seconds I've ever witnessed: (but at least JMU was playing toe to toe w/ the big boys)
that was painful to watch and you are completely accurate. We would be up over 20 in the second half and have someone run down court and chuck a three on a 1 on 3 break. Those years were so frustrating with the potential we had due to the pure ballers we had go through under him. He was a great guy but I was glad to see him go after seeing Campanelli punch above his weight class. Always seemed Lefty punched under his.
(01-27-2020 04:13 PM)Dukester Wrote: People said Lefty could not coach, he was just a good recruiter. In reality what his history showed was he could coach, and he could recruit, but as much as I love the man his teams choked more than any I've followed.
Lefty had 786 wins in his coach career. If the games were only 38 minutes, instead of 40, he would of had over 850 wins.
Even his ardent fans would agree that there is some truth to this.
I submit a very painful video as an example- the most painful 60 seconds I've ever witnessed: (but at least JMU was playing toe to toe w/ the big boys)
that was painful to watch and you are completely accurate. We would be up over 20 in the second half and have someone run down court and chuck a three on a 1 on 3 break. Those years were so frustrating with the potential we had due to the pure ballers we had go through under him. He was a great guy but I was glad to see him go after seeing Campanelli punch above his weight class. Always seemed Lefty punched under his.
Be careful what you wish for I guess....
As a Maryland and JMU fan - I had that feeling a lot. It get's to the end of the game, and it seems liked his teams got unlucky, and other teams got lucky. Maybe he picked up a curse somewhere. Obviously his teams were not mentally tough at the end of games. It was frequently painful. Walked out of many of game shaking my head.
Yeah, he got fired from JMU and then went to Georgia State who was in a 5 year losing streak. He proceeded to go 103-59 in his 6 years there.
He is a Hall of Fame coach.
Very Strong recruiter
Very Strong program PR guy
Very Strong motivator
Not good at in-game coaching.
Sum it all up and you have a HOF coach.
Is JMU ever going to bring him back to a home game to celebrate his induction into the Basketball Hall of Fame?
(01-27-2020 10:31 AM)jmufan2008 Wrote: Losing to CoC is basically a guarantee. UNCW was supposed to be one of our couple remaining wins, but now with their coaching change it looks like that may even be out of reach (shocker that a coaching change can sometimes make things better). If we lose to UNCW, we're down to one game we have a real chance at winning...however...even that after getting embarrassed AT Elon, I'd bet without a change in leadership that we lose that also. A week ago I was saying if we were lucky we might win 5 CAA games this year. Now we'll be lucky to win 3. But hell, I'm now on the boat that we might not win another game all season.
And yes, we're locked into bottom 3. The next tier of teams have 5 wins already. There's no way we get to 5 wins, much less the 8+ wins it will take once they finish out the season. At this point we're not going to pass Elon and if we lose to UNCW at home this week...there's no way we get out of last place. Projected top 4 and now will (most likely) finish in dead last with a max of 3 conference wins.
At this point, we'll have a very high chance of finishing outside the top 300 D1 teams. Yes, finishing in the bottom 50 of D1 teams. If we played EMU or Shenandoah tonight, I bet we'd lose. After starting 7-4, we're probably going to finish on a 2-16 run. We haven't finished outside the top 300 since 2005 when we were #314: 6-22 (3-16)...and that was the only finish outside the top 300...not a good record to match.
If we play defense we can beat all of them. I don't understand Rowe played under Lefty one of the best coaches JMU had and we were winning, winning, winning. The convo was packed every game. Did he not learn any defense under Lefty? Whoever his assistant is that is in charge of defense needs to be fired. We have no defense. We run up and down the floor and when we get the ball we shoot.
Frustrating, but I bet it is frustrating to the team as well.
People said Lefty could not coach, he was just a good recruiter. In reality what his history showed was he could coach, and he could recruit, but as much as I love the man his teams choked more than any I've followed.
Lefty had 786 wins in his coach career. If the games were only 38 minutes, instead of 40, he would of had over 850 wins.
But I think that was the worse mistake we made was to fire Lefty. At least we had winning seasons and excitement.
We don't need to re-litigate that. But.....for one thing we've been over quite a bit here and even back on the CAA Zone days, Chuck was coaching the team at the end with Lefty barely making an effort. Not saying that makes the decision one way or the other but the hindsight sure has gotten clouded with purple through the decades of suck since.
I believe Chuck under the guidance of his father had more potential to build and grow our program than anyone we have had since then. Believe I recall seeing chuck draw up the play that led to Culuko’s golden 3. Being at that game is to this day one of my best JMU memories. I was on the floor behind the basket that day. Will never forget it.
(01-27-2020 02:26 PM)jmudukes Wrote: If we play defense we can beat all of them. I don't understand Rowe played under Lefty one of the best coaches JMU had and we were winning, winning, winning. The convo was packed every game. Did he not learn any defense under Lefty? Whoever his assistant is that is in charge of defense needs to be fired. We have no defense. We run up and down the floor and when we get the ball we shoot.
Frustrating, but I bet it is frustrating to the team as well.
People said Lefty could not coach, he was just a good recruiter. In reality what his history showed was he could coach, and he could recruit, but as much as I love the man his teams choked more than any I've followed.
Lefty had 786 wins in his coach career. If the games were only 38 minutes, instead of 40, he would of had over 850 wins.
But I think that was the worse mistake we made was to fire Lefty. At least we had winning seasons and excitement.
We don't need to re-litigate that. But.....for one thing we've been over quite a bit here and even back on the CAA Zone days, Chuck was coaching the team at the end with Lefty barely making an effort. Not saying that makes the decision one way or the other but the hindsight sure has gotten clouded with purple through the decades of suck since.
I believe Chuck under the guidance of his father had more potential to build and grow our program than anyone we have had since then. Believe I recall seeing chuck draw up the play that led to Culuko’s golden 3. Being at that game is to this day one of my best JMU memories. I was on the floor behind the basket that day. Will never forget it.
Yep - I too think Chuck could of had a successful run at JMU.
(01-27-2020 05:40 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote: Is JMU ever going to bring him back to a home game to celebrate his induction into the Basketball Hall of Fame?
Would make sense to do it 20-21 with the opening of the new arena. Show him some love for what he accomplished here before it's too late. He's almost 90.
(01-27-2020 04:38 PM)Dukester Wrote: BYU, UNLV, Florida, Oklahoma (Billy Tubs in DC), Penn State, Va Tech, Auburn, Oregon St, Rutgers, Purdue, Minn, Butler, University Washington all came to Harrisonburg to play us because of Lefty - not because of JMU.
Very powerful statement and very accurate. Well done.
(01-27-2020 04:38 PM)Dukester Wrote: BYU, UNLV, Florida, Oklahoma (Billy Tubs in DC), Penn State, Va Tech, Auburn, Oregon St, Rutgers, Purdue, Minn, Butler, University Washington all came to Harrisonburg to play us because of Lefty - not because of JMU.
Very powerful statement and very accurate. Well done.
Ralph Sampson was a JMU assistant when Auburn came to the Convo. I remember the Auburn players staring at a guy 7'4 from their warm up line. Not often 6'11 guys have to look up.
(01-27-2020 05:40 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote: Is JMU ever going to bring him back to a home game to celebrate his induction into the Basketball Hall of Fame?
Would make sense to do it 20-21 with the opening of the new arena. Show him some love for what he accomplished here before it's too late. He's almost 90.
My sense is that Lefty may not travel these days but it would be nice to have him back for one of the last convo home games.
(01-27-2020 04:13 PM)Dukester Wrote: People said Lefty could not coach, he was just a good recruiter. In reality what his history showed was he could coach, and he could recruit, but as much as I love the man his teams choked more than any I've followed.
Lefty had 786 wins in his coach career. If the games were only 38 minutes, instead of 40, he would of had over 850 wins.
But I think that was the worse mistake we made was to fire Lefty. At least we had winning seasons and excitement.
We don't need to re-litigate that. But.....for one thing we've been over quite a bit here and even back on the CAA Zone days, Chuck was coaching the team at the end with Lefty barely making an effort. Not saying that makes the decision one way or the other but the hindsight sure has gotten clouded with purple through the decades of suck since.
I believe Chuck under the guidance of his father had more potential to build and grow our program than anyone we have had since then. Believe I recall seeing chuck draw up the play that led to Culuko’s golden 3. Being at that game is to this day one of my best JMU memories. I was on the floor behind the basket that day. Will never forget it.
Yep - I too think Chuck could of had a successful run at JMU.
It may not be too late- bring Chuck back as a lead assistant.
(01-27-2020 10:01 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote: What if JMU loses our next 2 at home before sparse crowds and we comfortably lose with more stretches within each game where we don’t score? First one on CBS SN vs Charleston and the next at home vs the one team we have beaten Uncw who fired their coach and is now all of a sudden playing better? It’s a possible if not likely outcome and then what will leadership do past the halfway point in the season, pretty much locked into a bottom 3 seed? If Rowe is retained after that then I guess they are paying him the courtesy of coaching the year out. I think they have been more than fair and are probably doing more long term damage to players team and coach by subjecting them to an even longer losing streak without a change or a statement but maybe that’s just me.
Losing to CoC is basically a guarantee. UNCW was supposed to be one of our couple remaining wins, but now with their coaching change it looks like that may even be out of reach (shocker that a coaching change can sometimes make things better). If we lose to UNCW, we're down to one game we have a real chance at winning...however...even that after getting embarrassed AT Elon, I'd bet without a change in leadership that we lose that also. A week ago I was saying if we were lucky we might win 5 CAA games this year. Now we'll be lucky to win 3. But hell, I'm now on the boat that we might not win another game all season.
And yes, we're locked into bottom 3. The next tier of teams have 5 wins already. There's no way we get to 5 wins, much less the 8+ wins it will take once they finish out the season. At this point we're not going to pass Elon and if we lose to UNCW at home this week...there's no way we get out of last place. Projected top 4 and now will (most likely) finish in dead last with a max of 3 conference wins.
At this point, we'll have a very high chance of finishing outside the top 300 D1 teams. Yes, finishing in the bottom 50 of D1 teams. If we played EMU or Shenandoah tonight, I bet we'd lose. After starting 7-4, we're probably going to finish on a 2-16 run. We haven't finished outside the top 300 since 2005 when we were #314: 6-22 (3-16)...and that was the only finish outside the top 300...not a good record to match.
If we play defense we can beat all of them. I don't understand Rowe played under Lefty one of the best coaches JMU had and we were winning, winning, winning. The convo was packed every game. Did he not learn any defense under Lefty? Whoever his assistant is that is in charge of defense needs to be fired. We have no defense. We run up and down the floor and when we get the ball we shoot.
Frustrating, but I bet it is frustrating to the team as well.
People said Lefty could not coach, he was just a good recruiter. In reality what his history showed was he could coach, and he could recruit, but as much as I love the man his teams choked more than any I've followed.
Lefty had 786 wins in his coach career. If the games were only 38 minutes, instead of 40, he would of had over 850 wins.
But I think that was the worse mistake we made was to fire Lefty. At least we had winning seasons and excitement.
Agreed. A battle of egos with Carrier and Lefty. Chuck would have been next in line and maybe it would have worked out. Or at least we wouldn't have scared off qualified coaches.
(01-27-2020 08:44 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote: This just in... we are still abysmal at free throws...#323
We have become worse, on a known and fixable issue. Can't blame the denominator when your % goes down.
Yes, but...
-our opponent's free throw defense has been very good
-we're young
-we can't be spending valuable time working on free throws when we have to practice our air dunks
-they hit them in practice
-doesn't matter when we are down by 20+
-we're really young
-we're tired
-nobody likes us
-the Impeachment stuff has affected our technique
-we've been mistakenly using the women's basketballs in practice
-it's too cold this time of year
-lots of other schools would beg to have us miss free throws for them
...just getting the excuses lined up for use moving forward.
I don't disagree with the Lefty comments, however in that game you posted what would you like a coach to do there? A coach can do his best to focus players but it still comes down to players executing. Lefty can't make a guy make FT's, he can't make a guy not walk on the baseline on an inbounds. JMU players clearly felt the pressure (as teams do when things aren't going well and when you have a lead against a good team). You want to argue mentally tough, fine, but I don't know what a coach is supposed to do for those players. You can work on nerves and calming methods, in the end you can't control how a player feels and how it effects them. The players let JMU down in that clip, not the coach.
(01-27-2020 09:36 AM)JacksonHall Wrote: Unfortunate but expected silence from our fearless leader in the athletic department today. I actually had hoped to hear of a change instead of staying aboard and sightseeing on the Titanic.
Hey!
The orchestras still playing, why not stick around for that last number?
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