(02-15-2016 05:22 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  The crown jewel LOL

Probably should have read "butt plug jewel".

Damned autocorrect strikes again!

(02-15-2016 08:02 PM)LAcajuns_fan Wrote:  STOODGEDOG IS IN THE HOUSE!!!! Maybe he will (finally) give us insight into the current ltu-r academic debacle, by answering the two questions above.....

Ah, alas: not to be. He hiked up his little skirt and scurried away like all the other @ruston little fellas.

(02-12-2016 08:53 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  If Louisiana has 15 4-year schools with a 4.65 million population then there is a 4 year school for every 310,000 people - better than Arkansas!

The reality is that learning can occur without all these teachers and buildings. Just watch a video of the best lecturer in each subject year after year on the internet. Microeconomics doesn't need 50,000 professors lecturing the same bs live year after year. Just play the video and have a once per week Q/A session.

The whole system is antiquated.

And don't get me started on the books scam/pricing. So cost inefficient. 30K for a college degree? Kiss my ass. That is retarded. Bring back apprenticeships! I hire college graduates that can't think their way out of a box.

The Louisiana and Arkansas situations aren't that similar.

Little Rock has UALR and UA-Medical Sciences and Pulaski Tech branch campus, main campus in North Little Rock (two year at both sites). Pine Bluff has UAPB and SE Arkansas College (two year).

No other city has two public institutions and the Fayetteville, Springdale, Rogers, Bentonville metro has UA and NW Arkansas Community College (two year). Very few counties have multiple schools (in the case of ASU-Searcy it is a branch of ASU-Beebe and they are nearly 20 miles apart).

In Louisiana
Baton Rouge has LSU, Southern, LSU Health Sciences and Baton Rouge Community College
New Orleans has UNO, Southern-New Orleans, and Delgado Community College
Lafayette has UL and South Louisiana Community College
Lake Charles has McNeese and SOWELA Tech (2 year)
Shreveport-Bossier have LSU Shreveport, LSU Health Sciences Shreveport, Southern Shreveport, Bossier Parish Community College
Lincoln Parish has Tech and Grambling six miles apart.

Arkansas covers about 2000 more square miles and outside of Central Arkansas where 30% of the population is the schools are spread out.

Consider US 67 (runs concurrent with I-30 in south Arkansas) running from SW to NE Arkansas it is 279 miles, you pass by or within a short drive of four colleges offering four year degrees (Henderson State, UALR, UA-Medical Sciences which is health services degrees, and AState which is 22 miles off 67). Two year colleges: UA-Hope, College of the Ouachitas, Pulaski Tech, ASU-Beebe, ASU-Searcy, ASU-Newport, Black River Tech.

Now drive 189 miles on I-20 in Louisiana, you pass by ULM, Tech, Grambling and two year schools Bossier Parrish, LSU-Shreveport, LSU-Shreveport Health Sciences, Southern Shreveport, Louisiana Technical College Shreveport, LTC-Minden, NW Louisiana Technical College, Louisiana Delta Community College, Delta Ouachita, and LTC-Ruston.

90 mile shorter drive on I-20 but you pass by or near more state supported schools.

(02-16-2016 04:19 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 08:53 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  If Louisiana has 15 4-year schools with a 4.65 million population then there is a 4 year school for every 310,000 people - better than Arkansas!

The reality is that learning can occur without all these teachers and buildings. Just watch a video of the best lecturer in each subject year after year on the internet. Microeconomics doesn't need 50,000 professors lecturing the same bs live year after year. Just play the video and have a once per week Q/A session.

The whole system is antiquated.

And don't get me started on the books scam/pricing. So cost inefficient. 30K for a college degree? Kiss my ass. That is retarded. Bring back apprenticeships! I hire college graduates that can't think their way out of a box.

The Louisiana and Arkansas situations aren't that similar.

Little Rock has UALR and UA-Medical Sciences and Pulaski Tech branch campus, main campus in North Little Rock (two year at both sites). Pine Bluff has UAPB and SE Arkansas College (two year).

No other city has two public institutions and the Fayetteville, Springdale, Rogers, Bentonville metro has UA and NW Arkansas Community College (two year). Very few counties have multiple schools (in the case of ASU-Searcy it is a branch of ASU-Beebe and they are nearly 20 miles apart).

In Louisiana
Baton Rouge has LSU, Southern, LSU Health Sciences and Baton Rouge Community College
New Orleans has UNO, Southern-New Orleans, and Delgado Community College
Lafayette has UL and South Louisiana Community College
Lake Charles has McNeese and SOWELA Tech (2 year)
Shreveport-Bossier have LSU Shreveport, LSU Health Sciences Shreveport, Southern Shreveport, Bossier Parish Community College
Lincoln Parish has Tech and Grambling six miles apart.

Arkansas covers about 2000 more square miles and outside of Central Arkansas where 30% of the population is the schools are spread out.

Consider US 67 (runs concurrent with I-30 in south Arkansas) running from SW to NE Arkansas it is 279 miles, you pass by or within a short drive of four colleges offering four year degrees (Henderson State, UALR, UA-Medical Sciences which is health services degrees, and AState which is 22 miles off 67). Two year colleges: UA-Hope, College of the Ouachitas, Pulaski Tech, ASU-Beebe, ASU-Searcy, ASU-Newport, Black River Tech.

Now drive 189 miles on I-20 in Louisiana, you pass by ULM, Tech, Grambling and two year schools Bossier Parrish, LSU-Shreveport, LSU-Shreveport Health Sciences, Southern Shreveport, Louisiana Technical College Shreveport, LTC-Minden, NW Louisiana Technical College, Louisiana Delta Community College, Delta Ouachita, and LTC-Ruston.

90 mile shorter drive on I-20 but you pass by or near more state supported schools.

The plethora of schools in Louisiana is sickening....especially in the north, which has only a fraction of the population of the south. This issue has been allowed to worsen for far too long now: it is past time that we develop a long time, logical plan to address it.

Along with geographical location, consolidation must be done and also should be based on performance: we can longer afford to fund unnecessary and underperforming schools. We need to really scrutinize ltu-r, who consistently uses state money to prop up their athletics while allowing their academics to decline and flounder. Tax payers need to revolt to thus utter nonsense!

(02-13-2016 04:06 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Louisiana politics do play a role, as they know that Tech is the crown jewel of the UL system so any plans that involves the best school be shut down or best program removed is a nonstarter.

That's anagolous to reforming the University of Texas system by getting rid of Austin and keeping all the commuter schools such as UTSA. So lets stick to realistic plans

UT-Austin serves Texas's 4th largest metro and is probably the top public U in that state. By Carnegie classifications, ULM and LTU are on par with one another. ULM is rising but you would not say that it is one of the top 3 universities in the state. Also it serves Louisiana's 7th largest metro. Keep in mind, Louisiana's top 2 metros combined would only be slightly larger than Austin, so LA metros are tiny in comparison to TX. So no, it is not analogous. But nice try though.

(02-13-2016 11:46 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 10:40 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  Well to me they need to consolidate. What they should do is. You have 3 main campuses for Master and Doctorate Programs. Everything else should be Bachelor and some Master degree programs. These schools should be feeder schools.

UL-System-UL-Lafayette Master and Doctorate Programs (McNeese, Nicholls, and NWST.)

Tech System-Louisiana Tech Master and Doctorate Programs ( Grambling, LSUS, ULM)

LSU system-LSU Master and Doctorate Programs (SELA, UNO, Southern) get rid of Southern Law School.

With the issue of having adjunct professors, some of these schools can keep Master Degree programs like English or Math.

LSUE, LSUA, Southern-Shreveport, SUNO close for business.

This should cut the budget.

That's a reasonable plan with maybe switching NWST to the Tech system. Tech purposed this a few years ago to absorb LSUs even though the Shreveport leaders endorsed it, it was tabled by the LSU dominated legislature.

Tech is the academic crown jewel of the UInversity of Louisiana system, the only tier 1 so combining with a school that is on the verge of losing accreditation or one that has lost thousands of students to Tech is a non-starter.

That Carnagie Tier III rating is doing La Tech wonders. ULM is also Tier III. While UL is Tier II. You see unless you are an AAU then rankings are pointless.

Oh geez Louise, don't turn this into another smack thread. This was an interesting and eye opening thread. Let's not get back down into the mud.

(02-16-2016 08:55 AM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  

(02-16-2016 04:19 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 08:53 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  If Louisiana has 15 4-year schools with a 4.65 million population then there is a 4 year school for every 310,000 people - better than Arkansas!

The reality is that learning can occur without all these teachers and buildings. Just watch a video of the best lecturer in each subject year after year on the internet. Microeconomics doesn't need 50,000 professors lecturing the same bs live year after year. Just play the video and have a once per week Q/A session.

The whole system is antiquated.

And don't get me started on the books scam/pricing. So cost inefficient. 30K for a college degree? Kiss my ass. That is retarded. Bring back apprenticeships! I hire college graduates that can't think their way out of a box.

The Louisiana and Arkansas situations aren't that similar.

Little Rock has UALR and UA-Medical Sciences and Pulaski Tech branch campus, main campus in North Little Rock (two year at both sites). Pine Bluff has UAPB and SE Arkansas College (two year).

No other city has two public institutions and the Fayetteville, Springdale, Rogers, Bentonville metro has UA and NW Arkansas Community College (two year). Very few counties have multiple schools (in the case of ASU-Searcy it is a branch of ASU-Beebe and they are nearly 20 miles apart).

In Louisiana
Baton Rouge has LSU, Southern, LSU Health Sciences and Baton Rouge Community College
New Orleans has UNO, Southern-New Orleans, and Delgado Community College
Lafayette has UL and South Louisiana Community College
Lake Charles has McNeese and SOWELA Tech (2 year)
Shreveport-Bossier have LSU Shreveport, LSU Health Sciences Shreveport, Southern Shreveport, Bossier Parish Community College
Lincoln Parish has Tech and Grambling six miles apart.

Arkansas covers about 2000 more square miles and outside of Central Arkansas where 30% of the population is the schools are spread out.

Consider US 67 (runs concurrent with I-30 in south Arkansas) running from SW to NE Arkansas it is 279 miles, you pass by or within a short drive of four colleges offering four year degrees (Henderson State, UALR, UA-Medical Sciences which is health services degrees, and AState which is 22 miles off 67). Two year colleges: UA-Hope, College of the Ouachitas, Pulaski Tech, ASU-Beebe, ASU-Searcy, ASU-Newport, Black River Tech.

Now drive 189 miles on I-20 in Louisiana, you pass by ULM, Tech, Grambling and two year schools Bossier Parrish, LSU-Shreveport, LSU-Shreveport Health Sciences, Southern Shreveport, Louisiana Technical College Shreveport, LTC-Minden, NW Louisiana Technical College, Louisiana Delta Community College, Delta Ouachita, and LTC-Ruston.

90 mile shorter drive on I-20 but you pass by or near more state supported schools.

The plethora of schools in Louisiana is sickening....especially in the north, which has only a fraction of the population of the south. This issue has been allowed to worsen for far too long now: it is past time that we develop a long time, logical plan to address it.

Along with geographical location, consolidation must be done and also should be based on performance: we can longer afford to fund unnecessary and underperforming schools. We need to really scrutinize ltu-r, who consistently uses state money to prop up their athletics while allowing their academics to decline and flounder. Tax payers need to revolt to thus utter nonsense!

I think the bigger issue with La Tech is that it isn't near potential students. LSU, ULM, LSUS, ULL and UNO are.

Regardless of Louisiana decides to do now, I predict La Tech's enrollment will decline faster than the urban schools.

(02-20-2016 03:16 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-16-2016 08:55 AM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  

(02-16-2016 04:19 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 08:53 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  If Louisiana has 15 4-year schools with a 4.65 million population then there is a 4 year school for every 310,000 people - better than Arkansas!

The reality is that learning can occur without all these teachers and buildings. Just watch a video of the best lecturer in each subject year after year on the internet. Microeconomics doesn't need 50,000 professors lecturing the same bs live year after year. Just play the video and have a once per week Q/A session.

The whole system is antiquated.

And don't get me started on the books scam/pricing. So cost inefficient. 30K for a college degree? Kiss my ass. That is retarded. Bring back apprenticeships! I hire college graduates that can't think their way out of a box.

The Louisiana and Arkansas situations aren't that similar.

Little Rock has UALR and UA-Medical Sciences and Pulaski Tech branch campus, main campus in North Little Rock (two year at both sites). Pine Bluff has UAPB and SE Arkansas College (two year).

No other city has two public institutions and the Fayetteville, Springdale, Rogers, Bentonville metro has UA and NW Arkansas Community College (two year). Very few counties have multiple schools (in the case of ASU-Searcy it is a branch of ASU-Beebe and they are nearly 20 miles apart).

In Louisiana
Baton Rouge has LSU, Southern, LSU Health Sciences and Baton Rouge Community College
New Orleans has UNO, Southern-New Orleans, and Delgado Community College
Lafayette has UL and South Louisiana Community College
Lake Charles has McNeese and SOWELA Tech (2 year)
Shreveport-Bossier have LSU Shreveport, LSU Health Sciences Shreveport, Southern Shreveport, Bossier Parish Community College
Lincoln Parish has Tech and Grambling six miles apart.

Arkansas covers about 2000 more square miles and outside of Central Arkansas where 30% of the population is the schools are spread out.

Consider US 67 (runs concurrent with I-30 in south Arkansas) running from SW to NE Arkansas it is 279 miles, you pass by or within a short drive of four colleges offering four year degrees (Henderson State, UALR, UA-Medical Sciences which is health services degrees, and AState which is 22 miles off 67). Two year colleges: UA-Hope, College of the Ouachitas, Pulaski Tech, ASU-Beebe, ASU-Searcy, ASU-Newport, Black River Tech.

Now drive 189 miles on I-20 in Louisiana, you pass by ULM, Tech, Grambling and two year schools Bossier Parrish, LSU-Shreveport, LSU-Shreveport Health Sciences, Southern Shreveport, Louisiana Technical College Shreveport, LTC-Minden, NW Louisiana Technical College, Louisiana Delta Community College, Delta Ouachita, and LTC-Ruston.

90 mile shorter drive on I-20 but you pass by or near more state supported schools.

The plethora of schools in Louisiana is sickening....especially in the north, which has only a fraction of the population of the south. This issue has been allowed to worsen for far too long now: it is past time that we develop a long time, logical plan to address it.

Along with geographical location, consolidation must be done and also should be based on performance: we can longer afford to fund unnecessary and underperforming schools. We need to really scrutinize ltu-r, who consistently uses state money to prop up their athletics while allowing their academics to decline and flounder. Tax payers need to revolt to thus utter nonsense!

I think the bigger issue with La Tech is that it isn't near potential students. LSU, ULM, LSUS, ULL and UNO are.

Regardless of Louisiana decides to do now, I predict La Tech's enrollment will decline faster than the urban schools.

Actually the exact opposite is true because kids from Monroe and Shreveport are enrolling in Tech. Every parent wants their child to go to to the best school that is financial feasible. In North Louisiana, that is Louisiana Tech. This is evidence by Tech graduates having the highest Salaries out of the Universities in the state including LSU. And Tech having the most stringent admission standards and the highest ACT average in the UL System.

Enrollment:
Tech
2013- 11,014
2014- 11,271
2015- 12,414
ACT avg 24.7

ULM
2013-8,645
2014-8,527
2015-8,854
ACT avg 22.4

LSUS
2013-4,535
2014-4,114
2015-4,186

http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-r.../louisiana

(02-16-2016 12:57 PM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 04:06 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Louisiana politics do play a role, as they know that Tech is the crown jewel of the UL system so any plans that involves the best school be shut down or best program removed is a nonstarter.

That's anagolous to reforming the University of Texas system by getting rid of Austin and keeping all the commuter schools such as UTSA. So lets stick to realistic plans

UT-Austin serves Texas's 4th largest metro and is probably the top public U in that state. By Carnegie classifications, ULM and LTU are on par with one another. ULM is rising but you would not say that it is one of the top 3 universities in the state. Also it serves Louisiana's 7th largest metro. Keep in mind, Louisiana's top 2 metros would only be slightly larger than Austin, so LA metros are tiny in comparison to TX. So no, it is not analogous. But nice try though.

What? Louisiana has two metro areas pushing 2 million? Combined they might be bigger than Austin, by a smidge.

(02-16-2016 04:19 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 08:53 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  If Louisiana has 15 4-year schools with a 4.65 million population then there is a 4 year school for every 310,000 people - better than Arkansas!

The reality is that learning can occur without all these teachers and buildings. Just watch a video of the best lecturer in each subject year after year on the internet. Microeconomics doesn't need 50,000 professors lecturing the same bs live year after year. Just play the video and have a once per week Q/A session.

The whole system is antiquated.

And don't get me started on the books scam/pricing. So cost inefficient. 30K for a college degree? Kiss my ass. That is retarded. Bring back apprenticeships! I hire college graduates that can't think their way out of a box.

The Louisiana and Arkansas situations aren't that similar.

Little Rock has UALR and UA-Medical Sciences and Pulaski Tech branch campus, main campus in North Little Rock (two year at both sites). Pine Bluff has UAPB and SE Arkansas College (two year).

No other city has two public institutions and the Fayetteville, Springdale, Rogers, Bentonville metro has UA and NW Arkansas Community College (two year). Very few counties have multiple schools (in the case of ASU-Searcy it is a branch of ASU-Beebe and they are nearly 20 miles apart).

In Louisiana
Baton Rouge has LSU, Southern, LSU Health Sciences and Baton Rouge Community College
New Orleans has UNO, Southern-New Orleans, and Delgado Community College
Lafayette has UL and South Louisiana Community College
Lake Charles has McNeese and SOWELA Tech (2 year)
Shreveport-Bossier have LSU Shreveport, LSU Health Sciences Shreveport, Southern Shreveport, Bossier Parish Community College
Lincoln Parish has Tech and Grambling six miles apart.

Arkansas covers about 2000 more square miles and outside of Central Arkansas where 30% of the population is the schools are spread out.

Consider US 67 (runs concurrent with I-30 in south Arkansas) running from SW to NE Arkansas it is 279 miles, you pass by or within a short drive of four colleges offering four year degrees (Henderson State, UALR, UA-Medical Sciences which is health services degrees, and AState which is 22 miles off 67). Two year colleges: UA-Hope, College of the Ouachitas, Pulaski Tech, ASU-Beebe, ASU-Searcy, ASU-Newport, Black River Tech.

Now drive 189 miles on I-20 in Louisiana, you pass by ULM, Tech, Grambling and two year schools Bossier Parrish, LSU-Shreveport, LSU-Shreveport Health Sciences, Southern Shreveport, Louisiana Technical College Shreveport, LTC-Minden, NW Louisiana Technical College, Louisiana Delta Community College, Delta Ouachita, and LTC-Ruston.

90 mile shorter drive on I-20 but you pass by or near more state supported schools.

How does that compare to the 90 miles from Arkadelphia to Conway? Or the 75 miles from Pine Bluff to Conway? A radius around Little Rock including Arkadelphia, Conway, and Pine Bluff surely has too many public universities relative to other states.

(02-20-2016 10:11 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(02-16-2016 12:57 PM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 04:06 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Louisiana politics do play a role, as they know that Tech is the crown jewel of the UL system so any plans that involves the best school be shut down or best program removed is a nonstarter.

That's anagolous to reforming the University of Texas system by getting rid of Austin and keeping all the commuter schools such as UTSA. So lets stick to realistic plans

UT-Austin serves Texas's 4th largest metro and is probably the top public U in that state. By Carnegie classifications, ULM and LTU are on par with one another. ULM is rising but you would not say that it is one of the top 3 universities in the state. Also it serves Louisiana's 7th largest metro. Keep in mind, Louisiana's top 2 metros would only be slightly larger than Austin, so LA metros are tiny in comparison to TX. So no, it is not analogous. But nice try though.

What? Louisiana has two metro areas pushing 2 million? Combined they might be bigger than Austin, by a smidge.

I forgot to include combined in my post. Thanks. BR and NO combined would be slightly larger than Austin if you go by what is listed here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Te...itan_areas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_...itan_areas

(02-13-2016 02:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If you're going to fix the system. Fix it.

Don't make the mistake of leaving your schools in areas far from where the students live. The 1950's residential model of 'stay away' college isn't the best use of public funds.

The five largest population centers in Louisiana are

New Orleans - UNO
Baton Rouge - LSU
Shreveport - LSUS
Lafayette - UL
Monroe - ULM

Each of these schools should have a state institution with full graduate level programs

Concentrating the resources in those five cities will maximize the benefit to the people of Louisiana.

SELA - 4 year school only - managed by LSU or UNO
SUNO - folded into UNO
Nicholls - 4 year school only - managed by either UNO, LSU, or UL
McNeese - 4 year school with very limited masters programs (e.g. Nursing, MBA only) - managed by UL
LSU-Eunice - folded into UL
La Tech - sorry but not near the people. Most optimal solution is to roll it into LSUS. Or just call LSUS "La Tech" and close down the Ruston campus
Southern - fold into LSU
Grambling - fold into LSUS
LSU-Alex - 4 year school only - managed by LSU
Northwestern - fold into LSUS
SU-Shreveport - fold into LSUS

If you're going to fix the system, fix it correctly. Each of the states' 5 major metros get one major state institution. Three other regional centers get a 4 year or 4 year plus limited master program facilities. 11 schools get cut heavily/closed

Not to pick at nits, but if the metro areas were intended to be in descending order, Lafayette metro is larger than Shreveport metro.

(02-22-2016 01:24 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 02:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If you're going to fix the system. Fix it.

Don't make the mistake of leaving your schools in areas far from where the students live. The 1950's residential model of 'stay away' college isn't the best use of public funds.

The five largest population centers in Louisiana are

New Orleans - UNO
Baton Rouge - LSU
Shreveport - LSUS
Lafayette - UL
Monroe - ULM

Each of these schools should have a state institution with full graduate level programs

Concentrating the resources in those five cities will maximize the benefit to the people of Louisiana.

SELA - 4 year school only - managed by LSU or UNO
SUNO - folded into UNO
Nicholls - 4 year school only - managed by either UNO, LSU, or UL
McNeese - 4 year school with very limited masters programs (e.g. Nursing, MBA only) - managed by UL
LSU-Eunice - folded into UL
La Tech - sorry but not near the people. Most optimal solution is to roll it into LSUS. Or just call LSUS "La Tech" and close down the Ruston campus
Southern - fold into LSU
Grambling - fold into LSUS
LSU-Alex - 4 year school only - managed by LSU
Northwestern - fold into LSUS
SU-Shreveport - fold into LSUS

If you're going to fix the system, fix it correctly. Each of the states' 5 major metros get one major state institution. Three other regional centers get a 4 year or 4 year plus limited master program facilities. 11 schools get cut heavily/closed

Not to pick at nits, but if the metro areas were intended to be in descending order, Lafayette metro is larger than Shreveport metro.

Ha. I had originally wanted to point that out too, but bit my tongue. It's just a lot of folks don't realize we have now in third place behind nola and refineryville. Glad you are wiser than I am.