We have too many 4 year colleges. We have too many 2 year colleges. LSU-Eunice is 30 minutes from UL. They even have their own sports program.
Eunice is a sleepy little town. LSU-A is a four year school that is about 30 minutes from Northwestern. Perhaps we should close down every school or demote them to 2 year colleges that are not on this list. UNO is a good academic school right across the street from SUNO (another 4 year college).

(02-12-2016 08:30 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  We have too many 4 year colleges. We have too many 2 year colleges. LSU-Eunice is 30 minutes from UL. They even have their own sports program.
Eunice is a sleepy little town. LSU-A is a four year school that is about 30 minutes from Northwestern. Perhaps we should close down every school or demote them to 2 year colleges that are not on this list. UNO is a good academic school right across the street from SUNO (another 4 year college).

And grambling, ltu-r, nws and ULM are all located very near each other....and with ULM and ltu-r on the same academic level this is an untenable situation.

And mcneese is too close to UL, and should be consolidated into UL.....and made a 4 year college only, no post-graduate degrees, research efforts, etc. same thing with Nichols.

People need to think long-term about this issue or it will never be resolved.

Arkansas has the same problem. Louisiana population is about 60% higher than Arkansas.

Public 4-year:
UofA
A-State
UALR
UCA
Arkansas Tech
UA Monticello
Henderson State
Southern Arkansas Uiversity
UAPB
UA Fort Smith

10 public 4 year schools in a state that you can traverse driving in 4 hours east to west and under 5 hours north to south. Little Rock is close to dead center and you can be in the next state driving 2.5 hours in any direction.

2.9 million people. A 4-year university for every 290,000 people.

Is this typical?

If Louisiana has 15 4-year schools with a 4.65 million population then there is a 4 year school for every 310,000 people - better than Arkansas!

The reality is that learning can occur without all these teachers and buildings. Just watch a video of the best lecturer in each subject year after year on the internet. Microeconomics doesn't need 50,000 professors lecturing the same bs live year after year. Just play the video and have a once per week Q/A session.

The whole system is antiquated.

And don't get me started on the books scam/pricing. So cost inefficient. 30K for a college degree? Kiss my ass. That is retarded. Bring back apprenticeships! I hire college graduates that can't think their way out of a box.

(02-12-2016 08:46 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  Arkansas has the same problem. Louisiana population is about 60% higher than Arkansas.

Public 4-year:
UofA
A-State
UALR
UCA
Arkansas Tech
UA Monticello
Henderson State
Southern Arkansas Uiversity
UAPB
UA Fort Smith

10 public 4 year schools in a state that you can traverse driving in 4 hours east to west and under 5 hours north to south. Little Rock is close to dead center and you can be in the next state driving 2.5 hours in any direction.

2.9 million people. A 4-year university for every 290,000 people.

Is this typical?

I don't know the numbers, but Tennessee would have to be way up there. Nashville alone has a ton of colleges.

I love that Louisiana's answer to being crippled by overspecialization in the oil industry is to take away access to higher education. Taxes suck. Idiocy is worse.

Here is a list of all the regionally and nationally accredited 4-year colleges and universities located in Texas:

Abilene Christian University
Amberton University
Argosy University-Dallas
Arlington Baptist College
Art Institute of Dallas
Art Institute of Houston
Austin College
Austin Graduate School of Theology
Baptist Missionary Association Theological Seminary
Baptist University of the Americas
Baylor College of Medicine
Baylor University
College of Saint Thomas More
Concordia University-Austin
Criswell College
Dallas Baptist University
Dallas Christian College
DeVry University
Austin
Houston
Irving (Dallas)
Ft. Worth
San Antonio
DeVry University’s Keller Graduate School of Management
East Texas Baptist University
Hardin-Simmons University
Houston Baptist University
Howard Payne University
Huston-Tillotson University
International Academy of Design and Technology – San Antonio
Jarvis Christian College
LeTourneau University
Lubbock Christian University
McMurry University
Midland College
Midwestern State University
National American University-Austin
Northwood University
Our Lady of the Lake University
Paul Quinn College
Pima Medical Institute
Rice University
St. Edward’s University
St. Mary’s University of San Antonio
Schreiner University
Southern Methodist University
South Texas College of Law
Southwestern Adventist University
Southwestern Assemblies of God University
Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary
Southwestern Christian College
Southwestern University
Stephen F. Austin State University
Texas A&M University System
Baylor College of Dentistry
Commerce
Corpus Christi
Galveston
Kingsville
Prairie View A&M University
Tarleton State University
Texarkana
Texas A&M International University (Laredo)
West Texas A&M University
Texas Christian University
Texas College
Texas Lutheran University
Texas Southern University
Texas State University System
Angelo State University
Lamar University
Sam Houston State University
Sul Ross State University
Texas State University-San Marcos
Texas Tech University
Health Sciences Center
Texas Wesleyan University
Texas Woman’s University
The Art Institute of Austin
Trinity University
University of Dallas
University of Houston System
Clear Lake
Downtown
Victoria
University of Mary Hardin-Baylor
University of North Texas
University of Phoenix
Austin
Dallas
Houston
University of Saint Thomas
University of Texas System
Arlington
Austin
Brownsville
Dallas
El Paso
Pan American
Permian Basin
San Antonio
Tyler
Health Science Center at Houston
Health Science Center at San Antonio
Medical Branch at Galveston
Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas
University of the Incarnate Word
Wayland Baptist University
Westwood College-Online
Wiley College
Westwood College
Westwood College-Dallas
Westwood College-Ft Worth
Westwood College-Houston South


You are better than this Louisiana fund your kids education it's the best investment a state can make.

Yes, I know some of these are private schools but that's not the point I'm trying to make lol.

(02-12-2016 09:48 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 08:46 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  Arkansas has the same problem. Louisiana population is about 60% higher than Arkansas.

Public 4-year:
UofA
A-State
UALR
UCA
Arkansas Tech
UA Monticello
Henderson State
Southern Arkansas Uiversity
UAPB
UA Fort Smith

10 public 4 year schools in a state that you can traverse driving in 4 hours east to west and under 5 hours north to south. Little Rock is close to dead center and you can be in the next state driving 2.5 hours in any direction.

2.9 million people. A 4-year university for every 290,000 people.

Is this typical?

I don't know the numbers, but Tennessee would have to be way up there. Nashville alone has a ton of colleges.

I only count 11 for Tennessee for 6.5 million people.
591,000 people per public 4-year school. Not even close.


http://www.campusexplorer.com/colleges/s...=50&major=

I think the solution would be to leave schools open where the people are. And merge two HBCUs into a non-HBCU. And one non-HBCU into a HBCU

Here's how I'd consolidate Louisiana's public schools

UNO - absorbs SUNO
LSU - absorbs Southern
SELA - stays open but limited offerings
ULL - absorbs LSU-Eunice
McNeese - stays open but limited offerings
Nichols - stays open but limited offerings
NSU and LSU-Alex - merged and limited offerings
LSUS - remains open
Grambling - absorbs La Tech (Quite frankly, both of them should be shut down as neither of them serve an urban area as well as LSUS and ULM do)
ULM - remains untouched

All other public 4 year schools closed.

So you'd have the major schools in Lake Charles, Lafayette, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Monroe, and Shreveport. Plus limited offerings in Ruston, Northshore, Houma, and Alexandria. Put the schools where the people live.

If you want the 'frat boy residential school on the 1950's model' in a rural area....Go to a friggin' private school.

Another thing I'd do is institute means testing for TOPS funding. Or put in a top 10% in class rank rule in order to ensure that TOPS funding doesn't remain an entitlement for the wealthiest Louisianans. TOPS was sold as a way to help poor Louisianans afford college. But it turned into basically an entitlement used mostly by wealthy Louisianans. I'd consider limiting eligibility to public school graduates as well.

(02-12-2016 10:20 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I think the solution would be to leave schools open where the people are. And merge two HBCUs into a non-HBCU. And one non-HBCU into a HBCU

Here's how I'd consolidate Louisiana's public schools

UNO - absorbs SUNO
LSU - absorbs Southern
SELA - stays open but limited offerings
ULL - absorbs LSU-Eunice
McNeese - stays open but limited offerings
Nichols - stays open but limited offerings
NSU and LSU-Alex - merged and limited offerings
LSUS - remains open
Grambling - absorbs La Tech (Quite frankly, both of them should be shut down as neither of them serve an urban area as well as LSUS and ULM do)
ULM - remains untouched

All other public 4 year schools closed.

So you'd have the major schools in Lake Charles, Lafayette, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Monroe, and Shreveport. Plus limited offerings in Ruston, Northshore, Houma, and Alexandria. Put the schools where the people live.

Another thing I'd do is institute means testing for TOPS funding. Or put in a top 10% in class rank rule in order to ensure that TOPS funding doesn't remain an entitlement for the wealthiest Louisianans. TOPS was sold as a way to help poor Louisianans afford college. But it turned into basically an entitlement used mostly by wealthy Louisianans. I'd consider limiting eligibility to public school graduates as well.

That's actually a pretty good scenario, but I'd make these changes:

To cut down on administrative/FTE costs, mergers need to happen. Limit the scope of Nichols and mcneese, but UL can easily absorb the administrative costs for both....they should be satelite campuses. Same thing with ULM: they can easily manage ltu-r and grambling. The scope of southeastern should be limited as well, but maybe shift mgmnt to lsu?

(02-12-2016 10:09 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 09:48 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 08:46 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  Arkansas has the same problem. Louisiana population is about 60% higher than Arkansas.

Public 4-year:
UofA
A-State
UALR
UCA
Arkansas Tech
UA Monticello
Henderson State
Southern Arkansas Uiversity
UAPB
UA Fort Smith

10 public 4 year schools in a state that you can traverse driving in 4 hours east to west and under 5 hours north to south. Little Rock is close to dead center and you can be in the next state driving 2.5 hours in any direction.

2.9 million people. A 4-year university for every 290,000 people.

Is this typical?

I don't know the numbers, but Tennessee would have to be way up there. Nashville alone has a ton of colleges.

I only count 11 for Tennessee for 6.5 million people.
591,000 people per public 4-year school. Not even close.


http://www.campusexplorer.com/colleges/s...=50&major=

Ah, you're talking public schools.
There's probably 15-20 private schools just in Nashville...hence, 'Athens of the South'.
http://www.nashvillechamber.com/homepage...ities.aspx

(02-13-2016 12:48 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 10:09 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 09:48 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 08:46 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  Arkansas has the same problem. Louisiana population is about 60% higher than Arkansas.

Public 4-year:
UofA
A-State
UALR
UCA
Arkansas Tech
UA Monticello
Henderson State
Southern Arkansas Uiversity
UAPB
UA Fort Smith

10 public 4 year schools in a state that you can traverse driving in 4 hours east to west and under 5 hours north to south. Little Rock is close to dead center and you can be in the next state driving 2.5 hours in any direction.

2.9 million people. A 4-year university for every 290,000 people.

Is this typical?

I don't know the numbers, but Tennessee would have to be way up there. Nashville alone has a ton of colleges.

I only count 11 for Tennessee for 6.5 million people.
591,000 people per public 4-year school. Not even close.


http://www.campusexplorer.com/colleges/s...=50&major=

Ah, you're talking public schools.
There's probably 15-20 private schools just in Nashville...hence, 'Athens of the South'.
http://www.nashvillechamber.com/homepage...ities.aspx

Private schools shouldn't cause any issues. So long as they're really private and not state supported. Actually private schools should be a net benefit. No resources taken up and jobs created.

Nashville has but one state school, Tennessee State University. Although it has two schools on either side of it (MTSU and Austin Peay). Not too much overreach, although it would probably have been more optimal had TSU, Austin Peay and MTSU been combined and located in Nashville.

The most ridiculous award actually goes to Montgomery Alabama IMHO. Troy State - Montgomery, Auburn - Montgomery and Alabama State University. That's three different state schools in a small city. Duplication on top of duplication.

Well to me they need to consolidate. What they should do is. You have 3 main campuses for Master and Doctorate Programs. Everything else should be Bachelor and some Master degree programs. These schools should be feeder schools.

UL-System-UL-Lafayette Master and Doctorate Programs (McNeese, Nicholls, and NWST.)

Tech System-Louisiana Tech Master and Doctorate Programs ( Grambling, LSUS, ULM)

LSU system-LSU Master and Doctorate Programs (SELA, UNO, Southern) get rid of Southern Law School.

With the issue of having adjunct professors, some of these schools can keep Master Degree programs like English or Math.

LSUE, LSUA, Southern-Shreveport, SUNO close for business.

This should cut the budget.

(02-13-2016 10:40 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  Well to me they need to consolidate. What they should do is. You have 3 main campuses for Master and Doctorate Programs. Everything else should be Bachelor and some Master degree programs. These schools should be feeder schools.

UL-System-UL-Lafayette Master and Doctorate Programs (McNeese, Nicholls, and NWST.)

Tech System-Louisiana Tech Master and Doctorate Programs ( Grambling, LSUS, ULM)

LSU system-LSU Master and Doctorate Programs (SELA, UNO, Southern) get rid of Southern Law School.

With the issue of having adjunct professors, some of these schools can keep Master Degree programs like English or Math.

LSUE, LSUA, Southern-Shreveport, SUNO close for business.

This should cut the budget.

Close, but I think the northern schools should be consolidated into nwst, minus ULM. ULM should be part of the UL System. Whereas Ruston is too small and very isolated, Natchitoches is not only more centrally located it would also make a much better college town.

As I said in another list, while geographics should play a part, it should not be the only criteria when making the decisions. ULM would benefit much more as part of the UL system, and vice versa.

(02-13-2016 10:40 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  Well to me they need to consolidate. What they should do is. You have 3 main campuses for Master and Doctorate Programs. Everything else should be Bachelor and some Master degree programs. These schools should be feeder schools.

UL-System-UL-Lafayette Master and Doctorate Programs (McNeese, Nicholls, and NWST.)

Tech System-Louisiana Tech Master and Doctorate Programs ( Grambling, LSUS, ULM)

LSU system-LSU Master and Doctorate Programs (SELA, UNO, Southern) get rid of Southern Law School.

With the issue of having adjunct professors, some of these schools can keep Master Degree programs like English or Math.

LSUE, LSUA, Southern-Shreveport, SUNO close for business.

This should cut the budget.

That's a reasonable plan with maybe switching NWST to the Tech system. Tech purposed this a few years ago to absorb LSUs even though the Shreveport leaders endorsed it, it was tabled by the LSU dominated legislature.

Tech is the academic crown jewel of the UInversity of Louisiana system, the only tier 1 so combining with a school that is on the verge of losing accreditation or one that has lost thousands of students to Tech is a non-starter.

(02-12-2016 08:46 PM)LAcajuns_fan Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 08:30 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  We have too many 4 year colleges. We have too many 2 year colleges. LSU-Eunice is 30 minutes from UL. They even have their own sports program.
Eunice is a sleepy little town. LSU-A is a four year school that is about 30 minutes from Northwestern. Perhaps we should close down every school or demote them to 2 year colleges that are not on this list. UNO is a good academic school right across the street from SUNO (another 4 year college).

And grambling, ltu-r, nws and ULM are all located very near each other....and with ULM and ltu-r on the same academic level this is an untenable situation.

And mcneese is too close to UL, and should be consolidated into UL.....and made a 4 year college only, no post-graduate degrees, research efforts, etc. same thing with Nichols.

People need to think long-term about this issue or it will never be resolved.

Maybe UL should be consolidated into McNeese.

(02-13-2016 11:46 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 10:40 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  Well to me they need to consolidate. What they should do is. You have 3 main campuses for Master and Doctorate Programs. Everything else should be Bachelor and some Master degree programs. These schools should be feeder schools.

UL-System-UL-Lafayette Master and Doctorate Programs (McNeese, Nicholls, and NWST.)

Tech System-Louisiana Tech Master and Doctorate Programs ( Grambling, LSUS, ULM)

LSU system-LSU Master and Doctorate Programs (SELA, UNO, Southern) get rid of Southern Law School.

With the issue of having adjunct professors, some of these schools can keep Master Degree programs like English or Math.

LSUE, LSUA, Southern-Shreveport, SUNO close for business.

This should cut the budget.

That's a reasonable plan with maybe switching NWST to the Tech system. Tech purposed this a few years ago to absorb LSUs even though the Shreveport leaders endorsed it, it was tabled by the LSU dominated legislature.

Tech is the academic crown jewel of the UInversity of Louisiana system, the only tier 1 so combining with a school that is on the verge of losing accreditation or one that has lost thousands of students to Tech is a non-starter.

With this never happening in Louisiana, If ULM would have to switch to the UL system. Which is cool with us, but I am sure ULM administration would never allow that to happen.

With the name battle and politics involved with even proposing something like this. Forcing ULM under UL-Lafayette. ULM would fight that tooth and nail.

(02-13-2016 11:46 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 10:40 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  Well to me they need to consolidate. What they should do is. You have 3 main campuses for Master and Doctorate Programs. Everything else should be Bachelor and some Master degree programs. These schools should be feeder schools.

UL-System-UL-Lafayette Master and Doctorate Programs (McNeese, Nicholls, and NWST.)

Tech System-Louisiana Tech Master and Doctorate Programs ( Grambling, LSUS, ULM)

LSU system-LSU Master and Doctorate Programs (SELA, UNO, Southern) get rid of Southern Law School.

With the issue of having adjunct professors, some of these schools can keep Master Degree programs like English or Math.

LSUE, LSUA, Southern-Shreveport, SUNO close for business.

This should cut the budget.

That's a reasonable plan with maybe switching NWST to the Tech system. Tech purposed this a few years ago to absorb LSUs even though the Shreveport leaders endorsed it, it was tabled by the LSU dominated legislature.

Tech is the academic crown jewel of the UInversity of Louisiana system, the only tier 1 so combining with a school that is on the verge of losing accreditation or one that has lost thousands of students to Tech is a non-starter.

Ha! Here we go!!!

Turns out those 'crown jewels' are nothing but paste; but I guess you hadn't heard about the decline in ltu-r academics? As was posted earlier, there are ZERO T1 schools that are also R3 Carneige ranking. The @ruston T1 ranking had already dropped ~10 spaces from last year, so loosing it entirely is right around the corner.

On the other hand ULM has moved up to R3. So despite receiving far less state dollars than ltu-r they are on the same academic level as them.

So why in the heck should this state invest further into the school that is doing less, with a lot more money??

You people should stop funneling so much of the state funding to prop up your athletics and start working on getting your dumpster fire academics under control.

(02-13-2016 10:40 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  Well to me they need to consolidate. What they should do is. You have 3 main campuses for Master and Doctorate Programs. Everything else should be Bachelor and some Master degree programs. These schools should be feeder schools.

UL-System-UL-Lafayette Master and Doctorate Programs (McNeese, Nicholls, and NWST.)

Tech System-Louisiana Tech Master and Doctorate Programs ( Grambling, LSUS, ULM)

LSU system-LSU Master and Doctorate Programs (SELA, UNO, Southern) get rid of Southern Law School.

With the issue of having adjunct professors, some of these schools can keep Master Degree programs like English or Math.

LSUE, LSUA, Southern-Shreveport, SUNO close for business.

This should cut the budget.

I agree with you, Consolidation is needed in Louisiana Higher education and Louisiana Tech leaders have been pursuing this for years. 1. to save the state money and 2. to provide the best education in the University of Louisiana system.

Leave the HBCU, Southern and Grambling, alone. Grambling cant even pass audits and is on the verge of losing accreditation every few years.

Combined ULM, NWST, LSU-s under the Louisiana Tech System

(02-13-2016 12:18 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 10:40 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  Well to me they need to consolidate. What they should do is. You have 3 main campuses for Master and Doctorate Programs. Everything else should be Bachelor and some Master degree programs. These schools should be feeder schools.

UL-System-UL-Lafayette Master and Doctorate Programs (McNeese, Nicholls, and NWST.)

Tech System-Louisiana Tech Master and Doctorate Programs ( Grambling, LSUS, ULM)

LSU system-LSU Master and Doctorate Programs (SELA, UNO, Southern) get rid of Southern Law School.

With the issue of having adjunct professors, some of these schools can keep Master Degree programs like English or Math.

LSUE, LSUA, Southern-Shreveport, SUNO close for business.

This should cut the budget.

I agree with you, Consolidation is needed in Louisiana Higher education and Louisiana Tech leaders have been pursuing this for years. 1. to save the state money and 2. to provide the best education in the University of Louisiana system.

Leave the HBCU, Southern and Grambling, alone. Grambling cant even pass audits and is on the verge of losing accreditation every few years.

Combined ULM, NWST, LSU-s under the Louisiana Tech System

Lol: 'provide the best education in the UL System.'

Are you people seriously going to continue to try to tout that bunch of hooey???

(02-13-2016 11:46 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 10:40 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  Well to me they need to consolidate. What they should do is. You have 3 main campuses for Master and Doctorate Programs. Everything else should be Bachelor and some Master degree programs. These schools should be feeder schools.

UL-System-UL-Lafayette Master and Doctorate Programs (McNeese, Nicholls, and NWST.)

Tech System-Louisiana Tech Master and Doctorate Programs ( Grambling, LSUS, ULM)

LSU system-LSU Master and Doctorate Programs (SELA, UNO, Southern) get rid of Southern Law School.

With the issue of having adjunct professors, some of these schools can keep Master Degree programs like English or Math.

LSUE, LSUA, Southern-Shreveport, SUNO close for business.

This should cut the budget.

That's a reasonable plan with maybe switching NWST to the Tech system. Tech purposed this a few years ago to absorb LSUs even though the Shreveport leaders endorsed it, it was tabled by the LSU dominated legislature.

Tech is the academic crown jewel of the UInversity of Louisiana system, the only tier 1 so combining with a school that is on the verge of losing accreditation or one that has lost thousands of students to Tech is a non-starter.

You just cannot give this up, can you?