I am so angry I can't see straight. Idaho has been on a mission over the past 2 decades to lessen its own influence in every possible way. It's like the administration is suicidal.

And the truly frustrating thing is, the football program has made great strides to rebuild after the WAC disaster and is about to do good things. What possible good could it do to drop this turd in the recruiting punch bowl?

(01-08-2016 01:40 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  I am so angry I can't see straight. Idaho has been on a mission over the past 2 decades to lessen its own influence in every possible way. It's like the administration is suicidal.

And the truly frustrating thing is, the football program has made great strides to rebuild after the WAC disaster and is about to do good things. What possible good could it do to drop this turd in the recruiting punch bowl?

They should just keep quiet until the verdict is out. I personally think they will get a two year extension, but if I am wrong there is still no reason to talk about dropping down.

They would need to explain to the community and the students the cost for dropping down to FCS. Besides the loss of 22 scholarships, Spear has said that Idaho would also have to drop two other sports. They have future games at Florida, Penn State and Indiana (twice) that would cost them about $5 million in revenue if the games were canceled. They have future home games against Wyoming, Nevada and San Jose State (twice) that would also need to be canceled.

If they think it through, FBS independence might look better than what they would be headed to. Once they drop to FCS, they can never come back. There will not be a path back to FBS for the Vandals.

(01-08-2016 02:07 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 01:40 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  I am so angry I can't see straight. Idaho has been on a mission over the past 2 decades to lessen its own influence in every possible way. It's like the administration is suicidal.

And the truly frustrating thing is, the football program has made great strides to rebuild after the WAC disaster and is about to do good things. What possible good could it do to drop this turd in the recruiting punch bowl?

They should just keep quiet until the verdict is out. I personally think they will get a two year extension, but if I am wrong there is still no reason to talk about dropping down.

They would need to explain to the community and the students the cost for dropping down to FCS. Besides the loss of 22 scholarships, Spear has said that Idaho would also have to drop two other sports. They have future games at Florida, Penn State and Indiana (twice) that would cost them about $5 million in revenue if the games were canceled. They have future home games against Wyoming, Nevada and San Jose State (twice) that would also need to be canceled.

If they think it through, FBS independence might look better than what they would be headed to. Once they drop to FCS, they can never come back. There will not be a path back to FBS for the Vandals.

Agreed on all counts. I would much rather go indy than FCS.

The problem is, our administrators have been telling people they don't want to go indy because it would mean 3 bodybag games per year, which according to them would hurt recruiting and diminish the fan experience.

Apparently our illustrious President believes playing Southern Utah in a 90% empty Kibbie Dome would be a tremendous fan experience. I respectfully disagree.

I'd rather drop football than go FCS. It'd be a much better move politically. Better to get out of the sport entirely than to have the state's first-rate public educational institution playing second-rate football while the third-rate school dominates the headlines.

While watching the App State/Idaho game on ESPN3 this fall I remember the announcers interviewing either Idaho's President or AD about the future of the football program. The President/AD definitely said the future was joining the Big Sky Conference for football. I remember thinking, wow, looks like the decision has been made. However,, I never saw anything else said on this or any other board and thought maybe I had miss heard his statement. I was really surprised not to hear any more about it at that time but I definitely remember him saying it.

(01-08-2016 02:38 PM)AtlantaMountaineer Wrote:  While watching the App State/Idaho game on ESPN3 this fall I remember the announcers interviewing either Idaho's President or AD about the future of the football program. The President/AD definitely said the future was joining the Big Sky Conference for football. I remember thinking, wow, looks like the decision has been made. However,, I never saw anything else said on this or any other board and thought maybe I had miss heard his statement. I was really surprised not to hear any more about it at that time but I definitely remember him saying it.

If I remember right, doesn't Idaho's President have Boise State ties?

(01-08-2016 01:40 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  I am so angry I can't see straight. Idaho has been on a mission over the past 2 decades to lessen its own influence in every possible way. It's like the administration is suicidal.

And the truly frustrating thing is, the football program has made great strides to rebuild after the WAC disaster and is about to do good things. What possible good could it do to drop this turd in the recruiting punch bowl?

I feel for ya. You are no doubt a real deal fan. No reason on earth for that interview.

(01-08-2016 12:53 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  They've got to do what is best for them. Frankly, FCS is probably it.


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Financially it doubt it is. Rice did a study when they were in the dumps and they concluded they would lose more money in the FCS vs in the FBS. If you are talking about winning that is not a guarantee either with the loss of scholarships. They are not killing it in recruiting but it will plummet with a move to the FCS.

(01-08-2016 02:47 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 12:53 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  They've got to do what is best for them. Frankly, FCS is probably it.


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Financially it doubt it is. Rice did a study when they were in the dumps and they concluded they would lose more money in the FCS vs in the FBS. If you are talking about winning that is not a guarantee either with the loss of scholarships. They are not killing it in recruiting but it will plummet with a move to the FCS.

Rice also never made cross country journeys to play conference games. If there was a WAC today, then Idaho would be fine meddling around in that. Unfortunately for them, there is no proper relationship out there that offers them a viable and sustainable future in FBS football.

I understand fans being upset about it. Not many fan bases would be thrilled about this kind of news.


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(01-08-2016 02:51 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:47 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 12:53 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  They've got to do what is best for them. Frankly, FCS is probably it.


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Financially it doubt it is. Rice did a study when they were in the dumps and they concluded they would lose more money in the FCS vs in the FBS. If you are talking about winning that is not a guarantee either with the loss of scholarships. They are not killing it in recruiting but it will plummet with a move to the FCS.

Rice also never made cross country journeys to play conference games. If there was a WAC today, then Idaho would be fine meddling around in that. Unfortunately for them, there is no proper relationship out there that offers them a viable and sustainable future in FBS football.

I understand fans being upset about it. Not many fan bases would be thrilled about this kind of news.


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I doubt six football away games would make the difference up but it might and at minimum makes it closer. Idaho really really needs the Big12 to add teams.

(01-08-2016 02:41 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:38 PM)AtlantaMountaineer Wrote:  While watching the App State/Idaho game on ESPN3 this fall I remember the announcers interviewing either Idaho's President or AD about the future of the football program. The President/AD definitely said the future was joining the Big Sky Conference for football. I remember thinking, wow, looks like the decision has been made. However,, I never saw anything else said on this or any other board and thought maybe I had miss heard his statement. I was really surprised not to hear any more about it at that time but I definitely remember him saying it.

If I remember right, doesn't Idaho's President have Boise State ties?

His wife works in Boise and they have a house there.

This was Spear's infamous "Big Sky research division" nonsense that sparked more NoDak fever dreams.

(01-08-2016 02:51 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:47 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 12:53 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  They've got to do what is best for them. Frankly, FCS is probably it.


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Financially it doubt it is. Rice did a study when they were in the dumps and they concluded they would lose more money in the FCS vs in the FBS. If you are talking about winning that is not a guarantee either with the loss of scholarships. They are not killing it in recruiting but it will plummet with a move to the FCS.

Rice also never made cross country journeys to play conference games. If there was a WAC today, then Idaho would be fine meddling around in that. Unfortunately for them, there is no proper relationship out there that offers them a viable and sustainable future in FBS football.

I understand fans being upset about it. Not many fan bases would be thrilled about this kind of news.


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Travel costs for western FBS schools just shouldn't be that much of a consideration. All western FBS schools do a lot of long travel -- take a look at how far apart the MWC schools are. Once you're on a plane it's not that much more money to fly to Arkansas than it is to fly to San Diego.

There is no revenue-related reason to drop down.

(01-08-2016 02:57 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:51 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:47 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 12:53 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  They've got to do what is best for them. Frankly, FCS is probably it.


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Financially it doubt it is. Rice did a study when they were in the dumps and they concluded they would lose more money in the FCS vs in the FBS. If you are talking about winning that is not a guarantee either with the loss of scholarships. They are not killing it in recruiting but it will plummet with a move to the FCS.

Rice also never made cross country journeys to play conference games. If there was a WAC today, then Idaho would be fine meddling around in that. Unfortunately for them, there is no proper relationship out there that offers them a viable and sustainable future in FBS football.

I understand fans being upset about it. Not many fan bases would be thrilled about this kind of news.


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I doubt six football away games would make the difference up but it might and at minimum makes it closer. Idaho really really needs the Big12 to add teams.

the big12 wont be adding any teams from a conference that would invite idaho as a replacement.

Anyone else wonder if Idaho plans to go to FCS regardless of what the SBC decides?? After reading the article and what was mentioned in the interview from the Idaho/App game, makes me think they are set on going FCS.

(01-08-2016 03:39 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Anyone else wonder if Idaho plans to go to FCS regardless of what the SBC decides?? After reading the article and what was mentioned in the interview from the Idaho/App game, makes me think they are set on going FCS.

Thats the feeling I got as well.

(01-08-2016 12:36 PM)ButlerGSU Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 11:18 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  Sounds like their fate is sealed when I read his remarks.

Yes, seems like he is trying to soften up the ground among supporters for a disappointing announcement to come...

My first thought was that this was an announcement more than anything else.

I don't think so. Idaho isn't preparaing a presentation to the Sun Belt that will be delivered in February because they have already decided to drop to FCS.

Reality is Idaho badly wants to remain in the Sun Belt for football.

(01-08-2016 03:46 PM)theultimateaggie Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 03:39 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Anyone else wonder if Idaho plans to go to FCS regardless of what the SBC decides?? After reading the article and what was mentioned in the interview from the Idaho/App game, makes me think they are set on going FCS.

Thats the feeling I got as well.

Well, Staben did say they were pitching the conference to stay, so I'm sure if the SBC votes to extend us we'll take it. But we don't seem to be doing a whole hell of a lot to help the cause.

(01-08-2016 03:53 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I don't think so. Idaho isn't preparaing a presentation to the Sun Belt that will be delivered in February because they have already decided to drop to FCS.

Reality is Idaho badly wants to remain in the Sun Belt for football.

I'm sure you're correct but I'm assuming from his tone he knows the straw poll doesn't include the renewal option. Hope I'm wrong because I'm one of those who wants 12 and a CCG.

Any chance these comments are fishing for outrage that demonstrates fans' desire to remain FBS? Maybe UAB is serving as a warning that the time to be angry is before the axe falls.

Funny, I was totally against adding them...overruled. Now I see no reason not to keep them temporarily....and will probably not get my way this time either.