If we lose Rice and UTEP then I would really be concerned for Marshall. I would seriously ask our administrators to try and take the best CUSA East schools, and try to form a new conference with the best schools from Sun Belt east, possibly even try to lure Akron, Toledo, Ohio, or NIU away from the MAC.


If we ever lose Rice and UTEP there is no reason for us to keep a presence in Texas.

(12-23-2015 01:48 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  If we lose Rice and UTEP then I would really be concerned for Marshall. I would seriously ask our administrators to try and take the best CUSA East schools, and try to form a new conference with the best schools from Sun Belt east

Oh hush, you're making me blush.

(12-23-2015 01:48 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  If we lose Rice and UTEP then I would really be concerned for Marshall. I would seriously ask our administrators to try and take the best CUSA East schools, and try to form a new conference with the best schools from Sun Belt east, possibly even try to lure Akron, Toledo, Ohio, or NIU away from the MAC.


If we ever lose Rice and UTEP there is no reason for us to keep a presence in Texas.

Or do what I've said before take the 12 best CUSA/SBC schools to form the Old South Conference.

Football oriented with App State and Georgia Southern.

MAC schools aren't going to break up the franchise for a MAC East/CUSA East combo.

I think this thread can be summarized as: no.

Unless, CUSA loses 2, such as UTEP/Rice to MWC, or USM/someone else to AAC.

In which case, I would say, CUSA should add USA/GSU

If Rice is rejected by MWC, but accepts both UTEP and Wichita State? 2 to 3 other C-USA schools leave?

I could see Rice takes North Texas, La. Tech, UTSA to start and reform the old SWC. They can invite Missouri State, Texas State, La-Layette, Arkansas State, New Mexico State, Lamar, West Texas A&M, Central Arkansas (if the 15,000 fans have been relaxed, than any FCS schools can move up.)

Marshall, UAB, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee State, FAU, FIU, Georgia Southern, South Alabama, Appalachian State, James Madison, Delaware, and Toledo. You could make a north/south civil war like setup.

(12-23-2015 01:48 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  If we lose Rice and UTEP then I would really be concerned for Marshall. I would seriously ask our administrators to try and take the best CUSA East schools, and try to form a new conference with the best schools from Sun Belt east, possibly even try to lure Akron, Toledo, Ohio, or NIU away from the MAC.


If we ever lose Rice and UTEP there is no reason for us to keep a presence in Texas.

Starting a new conference isn't really an option.

Can someone please end this stupid thread? That is all. Thank you.

(12-20-2015 09:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 04:00 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Also...

TV execs want no part of Jonesboro and if you're smart neither do you.

At some point, TV execs are going to be providing so little G5 money it's not going to matter who is in what league. That is ultimately when the next G5 realignment will start.

This.

But it will take five years for the shoes to start dropping. At some point ESPN will have to start cutting. It won't mean less games on TV, but it will mean less money for the G5.

It will help the Sun Belt (which doesn't really earn much from TV) versus the other G5s.

One of the shoes that will drop might be related to money losing bowl games too. The big problems will result for the ESPN owned bowls that don't have a lot of local support. Either those bowls go away or the bowling teams in those games have to 'pay to play', much like the CIT in college basketball.

The playoffs will still generate massive income, which will become an increasingly important part of revenue for G5 teams. That would point to 12 team conferences.

(12-24-2015 12:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 09:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 04:00 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Also...

TV execs want no part of Jonesboro and if you're smart neither do you.

At some point, TV execs are going to be providing so little G5 money it's not going to matter who is in what league. That is ultimately when the next G5 realignment will start.

This.

But it will take five years for the shoes to start dropping. At some point ESPN will have to start cutting. It won't mean less games on TV, but it will mean less money for the G5.

It will help the Sun Belt (which doesn't really earn much from TV) versus the other G5s.

One of the shoes that will drop might be related to money losing bowl games too. The big problems will result for the ESPN owned bowls that don't have a lot of local support. Either those bowls go away or the bowling teams in those games have to 'pay to play', much like the CIT in college basketball.

The playoffs will still generate massive income, which will become an increasingly important part of revenue for G5 teams. That would point to 12 team conferences.

Some G5 schools are more desirable for ESPN than a whole conference.

AAC schools:
Houston
Cincinnati
East Carolina
Memphis
UConn. basketball
UCF
USF
Navy already has a contract with CBS.

C-USA:
Southern Miss.
UTEP
Marshall

Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee State are unknowns still. Old Dominion already carried some name brand in other sports.

MAC:
Northern Illinois
Toledo
Bowling Green

At times, C. Michigan, W. Michigan, Ohio U. and Buffalo basketball.

MWC:
Boise State
Air Force (contract with the Arm Forces Network)
UNLV
New Mexico
Colorado State
Wyoming
Fresno State
Hawaii
San Diego State
Utah State
UNR

San Jose State is the lone MWC that is low on the ratings.

Sun Belt:
Appalachian State
Arkansas State

U.Mass. basketball mainly
BYU
ARMY CBS contract.

Eastern Washington
Montana
Richmond
Villanova
North Dakota State
Dayton
Butler
Georgetown all in the FCS could actually get a better tv contracts by themselves.

Its not brand for any particular team than it would be for any G5 conference. Its about eyeballs.

How do you get eyeballs.

First winning matters most. If you don't win, people won't care.

1) Large undergraduate enrollment
2) Large alumni living in reasonably close proximity to your team (I get it, its not about stadium attendance, but alumni who don't live near the team tend to 'drop out')
3) History
4) Attracting casual fans with no hard ties to the school. Generally that favors larger population centers in areas where college football is supported and state supported schools. Schools without local sports competition also should be favored over those that compete with multiple FBS teams and NFL teams.
5) Infrastructure

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You have spread the net way too wide IMHO.

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Eastern Washington lives in the shadow of Washington State. Its rural. It also has a low enrollment.
Montana has a slightly higher viability than EWU, but its still small.
Richmond is private, has close by FBS teams, and only has 3500 undergraduates
Villanova is also private, is in an NFL town, and has competition from a public school in town. It has 6400 undergrads
NDSU is viable, but would need a place to play. While it isn't tiny, its still would be a small FBS program.
Dayton is private and small
Butler is private and small
Georgetown is private, has a small undergraduate enrollment, and has Maryland and the Redskins in town. DC isn't a college football town

Other than Montana/NDSU, few of these schools even make sense at the FBS level.

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Existing G5 teams that have some issues with at least one of the five attributes that might prevent them from thriving in the new environment. But the overwhelming majority of them are going to be just fine

AAC - Tulane, Tulsa
CUSA - all except USM and Marshall.
Sun Belt - all
MAC - all
MWC - all except SDSU and Boise

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There are some that have much more significant issues than the rest, but in the spirit of the season I'll not call them out by name. My prediction is that there will be much less movement than people think.

(12-24-2015 02:21 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Its not brand for any particular team than it would be for any G5 conference. Its about eyeballs.

How do you get eyeballs.

First winning matters most. If you don't win, people won't care.

1) Large undergraduate enrollment
2) Large alumni living in reasonably close proximity to your team (I get it, its not about stadium attendance, but alumni who don't live near the team tend to 'drop out')
3) History
4) Attracting casual fans with no hard ties to the school. Generally that favors larger population centers in areas where college football is supported and state supported schools. Schools without local sports competition also should be favored over those that compete with multiple FBS teams and NFL teams.
5) Infrastructure

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You have spread the net way too wide IMHO.

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Eastern Washington lives in the shadow of Washington State. Its rural. It also has a low enrollment.
Montana has a slightly higher viability than EWU, but its still small.
Richmond is private, has close by FBS teams, and only has 3500 undergraduates
Villanova is also private, is in an NFL town, and has competition from a public school in town. It has 6400 undergrads
NDSU is viable, but would need a place to play. While it isn't tiny, its still would be a small FBS program.
Dayton is private and small
Butler is private and small
Georgetown is private, has a small undergraduate enrollment, and has Maryland and the Redskins in town. DC isn't a college football town

Other than Montana/NDSU, few of these schools even make sense at the FBS level.

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Existing G5 teams that have some issues with at least one of the five attributes that might prevent them from thriving in the new environment. But the overwhelming majority of them are going to be just fine

AAC - Tulane, Tulsa
CUSA - all except USM and Marshall.
Sun Belt - all
MAC - all
MWC - all except SDSU and Boise

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There are some that have much more significant issues than the rest, but in the spirit of the season I'll not call them out by name. My prediction is that there will be much less movement than people think.

I am not talking about football for schools like Georgetown or Villanova. Dayton as well. Along with Butler, all four are name brand teams in basketball. They would be like Kansas in football if they join an FBS conference, but their basketball would be strong enough. Richmond was mentioned to be one of the schools for the MAC along with James Madison, Delaware, Old Dominion, VCU and some others to go along with U. Mass. and Temple. It was more MAC wants to upgrade to become a multi bid basketball conference as well.

Eastern Washington is a good prospect for the MWC to replace Boise State if they do get picked by the PAC 12. I see them to become another Boise State down the road. The state of Washington really needs some more schools at D1 that plays football with the population and how big the state is. 3 is not enough.

"C-USA should go to 18"

No, they should not. Thanks for playing.