Not really, its not like I skipped over states or suggested UTEP. They are the next state over and yes I'm suggesting ASU over South Alabama. Arkansas State has won the Sunbelt 4 of the last 5 years and South Alabama has hovered around .500 since moving up. Of course all of this is hypothetical and opinion because its never going to happen.

(12-21-2015 05:43 PM)Old Dominion Navy Wrote:  yes I'm suggesting ASU over South Alabama. Arkansas State has won the Sunbelt 4 of the last 5 years and South Alabama has hovered around .500 since moving up. Of course all of this is hypothetical and opinion because its never going to happen.

Would you care to compare USA and ASU in...

Basketball
Baseball
Market
Enrollment
Endowment
Academics
Budget
Facilities
Recruiting grounds

Should I continue?

(12-21-2015 05:48 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 05:43 PM)Old Dominion Navy Wrote:  yes I'm suggesting ASU over South Alabama. Arkansas State has won the Sunbelt 4 of the last 5 years and South Alabama has hovered around .500 since moving up. Of course all of this is hypothetical and opinion because its never going to happen.

Would you care to compare USA and ASU in...

Basketball
Baseball
Market
Enrollment
Endowment
Academics
Budget
Facilities
Recruiting grounds

Should I continue?

You got me there, I don't know anything about the schools other then their football. My only other point would be it would be better to have the 2nd school in the state then the 5th or 3rd-5th.

(12-21-2015 05:43 PM)Old Dominion Navy Wrote:  Not really, its not like I skipped over states or suggested UTEP. They are the next state over.

And yes, suggesting Louisiana and Louisiana Tech does go against the mission of the conference, just because they wouldn't as much as UTEP doesn't make it not true. The original 16 team conference had 8 pairings ranging from 30 miles(FAU/FIU) and 210 miles(GS/GSU). There are also no 1000 mile trips in this conference.

The two Louisiana schools would only make sense as a package deal and Louisiana would only make sense in the south and Tech doesn't make much sense in either division.

(12-21-2015 06:01 PM)Old Dominion Navy Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 05:48 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 05:43 PM)Old Dominion Navy Wrote:  yes I'm suggesting ASU over South Alabama. Arkansas State has won the Sunbelt 4 of the last 5 years and South Alabama has hovered around .500 since moving up. Of course all of this is hypothetical and opinion because its never going to happen.

Would you care to compare USA and ASU in...

Basketball
Baseball
Market
Enrollment
Endowment
Academics
Budget
Facilities
Recruiting grounds

Should I continue?

You got me there, I don't know anything about the schools other then their football. My only other point would be it would be better to have the 2nd school in the state then the 5th or 3rd-5th.

Having shared a conference with both and visited both, trust me, it's not close. USA makes more sense and has far more in common with the average CUSA program than ASU does.

And your 2nd best in one state vs 3rd-5th best program in another state is silly.

Would you take the 2nd program in New Mexico over the 5th program in Ohio? Or the 7th program in Texas?

Is the 1st program in Maine better than the 3rd in Virginia?

(12-21-2015 05:00 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 04:15 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 03:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  To be clear, when I say I could go for a small regional conference built around traditional rivals, I mean something more like this:


(this was the last time I made of existing CUSA/SBC/FCS, it was before ECU had announced their departure)

This would actually be a really good conference!

From what I hear, there is tension between the Texas schools and the other schools in C-USA....this would solve a lot of problems

Good luck getting East Carolina though....

As I pointed out, I drew that one up before ECU had left, this conference isn't happning regardless, but I realize that if all 15 other schools were on board, ECU(or any AAC school) isn't coming through that door.

If AAC schools were on the table I'd have a few more changes.

If Old Man River is the western boundary, I'd say sub JMU for ECU and ... actually, that'd be it. Anything else would screw up the pairs thing going on here.

I see what you were going for now.

(12-21-2015 06:18 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 05:00 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 04:15 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 03:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  To be clear, when I say I could go for a small regional conference built around traditional rivals, I mean something more like this:


(this was the last time I made of existing CUSA/SBC/FCS, it was before ECU had announced their departure)

This would actually be a really good conference!

From what I hear, there is tension between the Texas schools and the other schools in C-USA....this would solve a lot of problems

Good luck getting East Carolina though....

As I pointed out, I drew that one up before ECU had left, this conference isn't happning regardless, but I realize that if all 15 other schools were on board, ECU(or any AAC school) isn't coming through that door.

If AAC schools were on the table I'd have a few more changes.

If Old Man River is the western boundary, I'd say sub JMU for ECU and ... actually, that'd be it. Anything else would screw up the pairs thing going on here.

Yeah, I think JMU makes more sense than Coastal who was suggested earlier.

(12-21-2015 06:19 PM)Old Dominion Navy Wrote:  I see what you were going for now.

And I'm not even saying that I'd prefer this over our current set up, just that I would be interested in the possibility of a much more travel friendly footprint which the pictured conference definitely accomplishes.

(12-21-2015 03:21 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 02:25 PM)LR Eagle Wrote:  We should be looking for ways to contract instead of adding more teams that no one cares about to further dilute our already limited revenue.

ya, cause that's what all the conferences are doing....

Who cares?

None of the other scrub conferences have more than 12 teams to dilute the CFP money so staying at 14 when the conference is loaded with deadweight is rather silly.

(12-21-2015 05:48 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 05:43 PM)Old Dominion Navy Wrote:  yes I'm suggesting ASU over South Alabama. Arkansas State has won the Sunbelt 4 of the last 5 years and South Alabama has hovered around .500 since moving up. Of course all of this is hypothetical and opinion because its never going to happen.

Would you care to compare USA and ASU in...

Basketball

As a tie breaker between two roughly equal football programs, sure. But it seemed clear that the notion here was to restore CUSA's former standing in FB, since it seems rescuing CUSA's former standing in BBall is pretty much a lost cause.

Quote: Baseball
Market
Enrollment
Endowment
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Facilities

Nope.

Quote: Recruiting grounds

That's an argument that could be made ... if the slipping of CUSA's standing in FB could be argued to be due to weakness in recruiting grounds, maybe shoring up recruiting grounds would help bolster the strength of existing CUSA schools. That would be an argument for pushing up the priority of a ULouisiana add, so other western division schools could be guaranteed a trip to Louisiana each year.

Quote: Should I continue?

The shape of these kinds of arguments becomes "our school has an advantage in this criteria, so this criteria should be counted as critical. That weakness in that criteria should be overlooked, by making that criteria unimportant."

It is never clearer that this is happening then when some specific non-revenue sport is introduced as a selling point ... hockey, baseball, lacrosse, etc.

Conference USA isn't going to expand and many think they would stay at 12 if poached of 2 teams. They need to focus on the TV contract and hope they can get it $1 million a year for each school, which I think is possible but they need a really good Bowl showing and so far it's work in C-USA's favor.

(12-21-2015 11:56 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 05:48 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 05:43 PM)Old Dominion Navy Wrote:  yes I'm suggesting ASU over South Alabama. Arkansas State has won the Sunbelt 4 of the last 5 years and South Alabama has hovered around .500 since moving up. Of course all of this is hypothetical and opinion because its never going to happen.

Would you care to compare USA and ASU in...

Basketball

As a tie breaker between two roughly equal football programs, sure. But it seemed clear that the notion here was to restore CUSA's former standing in FB, since it seems rescuing CUSA's former standing in BBall is pretty much a lost cause.

Quote: Baseball
Market
Enrollment
Endowment
Academics
Budget
Facilities

Nope.

Quote: Recruiting grounds

That's an argument that could be made ... if the slipping of CUSA's standing in FB could be argued to be due to weakness in recruiting grounds, maybe shoring up recruiting grounds would help bolster the strength of existing CUSA schools. That would be an argument for pushing up the priority of a ULouisiana add, so other western division schools could be guaranteed a trip to Louisiana each year.

Quote: Should I continue?

The shape of these kinds of arguments becomes "our school has an advantage in this criteria, so this criteria should be counted as critical. That weakness in that criteria should be overlooked, by making that criteria unimportant."

It is never clearer that this is happening then when some specific non-revenue sport is introduced as a selling point ... hockey, baseball, lacrosse, etc.

There is one metric and one metric only by which Arkansas State is better than South Alabama and that is Arkansas State in football seasons 101-104 has been better than South Alabama in seasons 4-7.

(12-21-2015 05:25 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 05:19 PM)Old Dominion Navy Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 04:40 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 04:15 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 03:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  To be clear, when I say I could go for a small regional conference built around traditional rivals, I mean something more like this:


(this was the last time I made of existing CUSA/SBC/FCS, it was before ECU had announced their departure)

I did not mean I wanted to share a conference with UT-Martin, Suwanee, Austin Peay, Trivecca, and Riverdale High School or whatever nutty "regional" conference you would have suggested for the southeast.

This would actually be a really good conference!

From what I hear, there is tension between the Texas schools and the other schools in C-USA....this would solve a lot of problems

Good luck getting East Carolina though....

Replace East Carolina with Coastal Carolina and call it quits.

Gross. Replace ECU with LT. Replace South Alabama or Troy with Arkansas State (no need for 3 teams in one state). Replace Ohio with U of Louisiana-Laf (Ohio isn't going to leave the MAC).

The focus was almost entirely on tight geography and pairings(GS and GSU at 210 miles being the latgest gap between pairs) which LT and Louisiana both go against.

And Arkansas State over USA is hilarious

Your obsession with ASU is flattering. You the same guy on Twitter always running us down? Our support, facilities, success on the field and potential TV draw are as good as most including MTSU. Our market is our whole state and the theory that large cities equal ratings has completely failed.

Personally, I don't care what conference we are in as long as it is FBS. Go undefeated in any G5 and you are in position for the access slot. Everything else is just pointless chest thumping.

(12-22-2015 02:10 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 05:25 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 05:19 PM)Old Dominion Navy Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 04:40 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 04:15 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  This would actually be a really good conference!

From what I hear, there is tension between the Texas schools and the other schools in C-USA....this would solve a lot of problems

Good luck getting East Carolina though....

Replace East Carolina with Coastal Carolina and call it quits.

Gross. Replace ECU with LT. Replace South Alabama or Troy with Arkansas State (no need for 3 teams in one state). Replace Ohio with U of Louisiana-Laf (Ohio isn't going to leave the MAC).

The focus was almost entirely on tight geography and pairings(GS and GSU at 210 miles being the latgest gap between pairs) which LT and Louisiana both go against.

And Arkansas State over USA is hilarious

Your obsession with ASU is flattering. You the same guy on Twitter always running us down? Our support, facilities, success on the field and potential TV draw are as good as most including MTSU. Our market is our whole state and the theory that large cities equal ratings has completely failed.

Personally, I don't care what conference we are in as long as it is FBS. Go undefeated in any G5 and you are in position for the access slot. Everything else is just pointless chest thumping.

The word obsession gets thrown around so much on message boards it's lost all meaning.

I'm not much of a twitter user, I have one, but to my recollection I've never tweeted anything related to Arkansas State. I didn't say a word about stAte until one of your fans piped up and then later when an ODU fan suggested stAte would be a better candidate than USA, which simply isn't true.

I don't really have an issue with Arkansas State as an insitution, I have no desire to ever return to Jonesboro, but as a whole Arkansas State just isn't as good a candidate as South Alabama. I'm sorry if you disagree, but I can assure you that this has nothing to do with some "obsession" with your school.

(12-22-2015 12:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  There is one metric and one metric only by which Arkansas State is better than South Alabama and that is Arkansas State in football seasons 101-104 has been better than South Alabama in seasons 4-7.

Being a better FB school than South Alabama for a majority of South Alabama's FBS career is actually a pretty good "metric" to have in their favor.

CUSA to 18? Take the hoops plus approach.

Ohio
Georgia St.
Wichita St.
New Mexico St.

Could this be enough to transform CUSA into a 3 NCAA bid conference. Squeezing the MAC, SBC, MVC and WAC of its best programs might make it possible.

Football would be a mess splitting the payouts and bowls 18 ways. Might be best if a few current CUSA programs hit the exit doors first, IMO.

(12-23-2015 12:58 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Might be best if a few current CUSA programs hit the exit doors first, IMO.

It's almost never the ones that Conference Realignment Risk players would suggest as the ones to leave ... instead, its normally among the more valuable schools in any given conference, and is as likely to leave the result less geographically coherent as more.

Could the 10 FBS conferences go to 30 teams in the future? Take the schools from FCS and D2 to comprise the makeup of the teams. Change the rules a bit.

Since there is not enough money to create Conference Networks to add schools, they could set up an Internet website to stream live sports, and sports programs on the Internet. Charge a monthly, a six months plan, or a yearly plan. 12 to 20 teams might not be enough sports content or good match ups. Having 30 teams could bring some new winning programs into the conferences that needs help. The Big 12 does not have the luxury to show much content.

Lets say you charge $10 a month for 12 months for a conference. That would be $120 a year for one household to watch live streaming. Lets say 1 million people subscribed to watch live streaming of games and studio shows. That would be $120 million dollars for the conferences. That would be $4 million per school for all 30 schools. That does not include any money they get from advertisers. The money from advertisements could pay for live commentators, studio hosts, behind the scenes personals and so forth.

1 Million =$4 million per school
2 million =$8 million per school
3 million = $12 million per school
5 Million = $20 million per school
10 million = $40 million per school

This does not factor in tv money, bowl money, playoffs money, tournaments money and so forth. You could have match ups like Boise State Vs Oregon on ABC on Saturday nights. These types of match ups people would like to see. People may pay to watch Jacksonville State Vs Arkansas State in a Sun Belt match up. Pioneer League schools could use this type of money to expand their sports big time including football.

The restructure of D1 could be combined with no more FBS or FCS destination. FCS playoffs could be for 6 and 7 win schools to compete as the former FCS playoffs as the NIT of football.

Portland State
Southern Utah
Humboldt State
Montana
Coastal Carolina
Charleston Southern
Richmond
William & Mary
James Madison
NC A&T
Bethune-Cookman
NC-Central
Illinois State
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
Northern Iowa
Duquense
Jacksonville State
Eastern Illinois
Tenn.-Martin
Fordham
Colgate
Dayton
Jacksonville
San Diego
McNeese State
Sam Houston State
Chattanooga
Citadel
Grambling State
Prairie View
Alcorn State
Assumption
Ashland
Colorado Mesa
Colorado State-Pueblo
Charleston
Emporia State
Ferris State
Grand Valley State
Henderson State
Indianapolis
Linfield (west coast do need some more teams to fill in the 30 spots of PAC 12 and MWC)
Midwestern State
Arkansas Tech
Mankato State
Minn-Duluth
NW Missouri State (The only Missouri school that would have qualified for any bowls.)
Tuskegee
Valdosta State
North Alabama
West Georgia
Wis-Whitewater
Wis.-Oshkosh

There are some others from D2 and NAIA that could fill spots.

You then have content for all sports, and some conferences could start sponsoring sports that they don't have like MWC could start LaX for both men and women, western hockey division and so forth.

(12-23-2015 08:25 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 12:58 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Might be best if a few current CUSA programs hit the exit doors first, IMO.

It's almost never the ones that Conference Realignment Risk players would suggest as the ones to leave ... instead, its normally among the more valuable schools in any given conference, and is as likely to leave the result less geographically coherent as more.

True.

However, in the case of CUSA losing 2 like Rice and UTEP would tighten up geography and open up space in the conference for more basketball friendly additions.