next weekend there might not be 5 thousand at App/GS game, don't know how the players on either team, can get pumped up to play that game.

(10-04-2015 05:49 PM)panama Wrote:  You have 20k alumni here out of 6M. Assuming every single alumnus is a GS fan, a stretch, then that is your max.

Yeah, I don't think their assumption is very accurate. They have a good amount of fans but not more than GSU

A good sign of our support is what happened the week we made the tournament. People lost their minds in this town and all of a sudden you had Panthers coming out of the woodwork.

(10-03-2015 10:54 AM)gsuncc Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 10:46 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 10:38 AM)gsuncc Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 10:32 AM)GaSouthern Wrote:  I'm gonna be interested to see who brought more fans to the game

Why? That's nothing more than a troll remark. 3 wins in four seasons will undermine any support a team has/had/might have. 1 person or 20k matters not a bit....

So sick of this attendance crap.

You can say your sick of the attendance crap all you want. But who do you think pays for these programs??? If you want to know your programs real value, look in the stands. It's the ticket sells, merchandise sells and the student support that shows if your program has any value. Without those, your program will be UAb'd. All of our programs will be. Yea, winning will/should bring fans, but until you win and while you have minimal fan support, your program has minimal value.

I don't disagree...can't compare UAB, completely different circumstances. I know it reveals a program's value, winning helps but can't alone solve attendance problems. What I'm sick of is the purpose of the post I responded to...my mistake for even acknowledging or responding. It is taking a long time to change the culture at GSU, no one questions that or really has, but given how bad things were under Curry GSU just made a difficult job worse and harder.

I want Georgia State to be successful, contrary to how I felt prior to last year's game. It has a unique situation as compared to all the other schools in this conference in that it is more commuter than live-in campus. I am absolutely NOT knocking schools with small residence availability on campus but it is hard to generate passion in your school when it is not your home as well. Hell, I graduated from Georgia State and the thread that connects me to GSU is far thinner than my connection with OSU and GS. The sad thing is there is no definitive answer for how a school can correct that.

(10-05-2015 05:36 AM)panama Wrote:  A good sign of our support is what happened the week we made the tournament. People lost their minds in this town and all of a sudden you had Panthers coming out of the woodwork.

Your basketball success will likely be the building block to evolve the football program. As had been stated here many times, winning cures many ails. Just keep the MBB humming and that foundation will elevate football gradually, then suddenly quickly. GaSt just hadn't gotten the right mix and pieces yet. You're very close, and the margin of error is so thin, the results have been poor. Replace Miles. You may only be one head FB coach away from respectability, then modest success, then consistently competitive.

The AJC beat writer had a very interesting point in a follow up to the Liberty game. His point was the exceptional offensive efficiency GaSt had in only 16 minutes and 27 seconds. A very interesting read. And as some have stated, the low point of losing to a FCS team, much less Liberty is as bad as it could get. Don't believe it. Liberty is a top 10 FCS program and a very good team.

(10-05-2015 05:36 AM)panama Wrote:  A good sign of our support is what happened the week we made the tournament. People lost their minds in this town and all of a sudden you had Panthers coming out of the woodwork.

And where are they now? Your non-unique win on that day is forgotten, and in everyone's face is a football program that is terrible, for lack of a better descriptor.

What have ya'll leveraged off of that spontaneous outpour of support?

Try and buy a lower bowl seat for basketball.

i.e. YOU MUST WIN

(10-05-2015 06:04 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 05:36 AM)panama Wrote:  A good sign of our support is what happened the week we made the tournament. People lost their minds in this town and all of a sudden you had Panthers coming out of the woodwork.

Your basketball success will likely be the building block to evolve the football program. As had been stated here many times, winning cures many ails. Just keep the MBB humming and that foundation will elevate football gradually, then suddenly quickly. GaSt just hadn't gotten the right mix and pieces yet. You're very close, and the margin of error is so thin, the results have been poor. Replace Miles. You may only be one head FB coach away from respectability, then modest success, then consistently competitive.

The AJC beat writer had a very interesting point in a follow up to the Liberty game. His point was the exceptional offensive efficiency GaSt had in only 16 minutes and 27 seconds. A very interesting read. And as some have stated, the low point of losing to a FCS team, much less Liberty is as bad as it could get. Don't believe it. Liberty is a top 10 FCS program and a very good team.

The more interesting point to me is the defensive stats. A defensive lineman does not appear until #10 in the tackles list. The top tackler with 17 was a Safety. I dont believe you can tell your offense do not score. If the defense had gotten stops on the first two series its a different ball game. But there is definetely something wrong when LBs and DBs are accounting for 90% of the tackles.

Let's change the direction a little. If Miles is replaced, who would you want to replace him???

Let's warm up that seat a little.

I'm almost positive Georgia, Tech, and State all had "FIRE THE COACH" threads on Saturday.

(10-05-2015 07:14 AM)panama Wrote:  Try and buy a lower bowl seat for basketball.

i.e. YOU MUST WIN

Well looking at the small amount of sections you offer for tickets (8 student sections on the lower level including behind the goals, and I'm assuming the black section is visitor? if not correct me), I would hope you would have issues buying a ticket on that level. Also, I just looked, I could buy plenty of seats on the lower level....granted not midcourt, but I would have no difficulty purchasing a seat right now.

What's your percentage of season tickets for your seats available for sale in basketball? What growth are you seeing from last year, and the year before?

We've grown our football ticket sales about 15% each year the last couple of years. Our Athletic Department donations have grown at astronomical rates. The support is there, and it's only growing.

Yes you have a lot of potential supporters, but still waiting for them to show up. And yes, winning does have something to do with it, but not all.

I know someone earlier mentioned that turner field would improve things for you, but I don't see that happening.

I could be completely wrong, but I can't imagine any other football program that is so cart before the horse. Has there ever been another school that started out with a 40k arena, while completely building up a program? You are going to have the same issue as the dome. 5k people is going to look terrible, and be zero motivation for anyone there, as well as the players. Why not a 20k stadium that the school can afford, and can fill some seats in?

There needs to be a step in between this transition, where you can build your program from the ground up. That hasn't happened. Its the reason there's so much animosity for your entire program.

Turner Field will definitely help them and it will help the city of Atlanta. Yes, they've done literally everything wrong up to this point, but they'll see a spike in attendance and possibly a spike in recruiting if they don't screw this gift the city/state is handing them. All new stadiums attract fans the first year. If they continue losing attendance will drop, but I bet there will be a sense of ownership and pride in having their own building, so they should be able to keep a modest core coming to the games even if they are down.

Plus GaSt has too much money to be down forever. They may never be considered a football school, but I think they're coming to terms with that. They'll have a few good years along the way.

(10-05-2015 07:29 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 07:14 AM)panama Wrote:  Try and buy a lower bowl seat for basketball.

i.e. YOU MUST WIN

Well looking at the small amount of sections you offer for tickets (8 student sections on the lower level including behind the goals, and I'm assuming the black section is visitor? if not correct me), I would hope you would have issues buying a ticket on that level. Also, I just looked, I could buy plenty of seats on the lower level....granted not midcourt, but I would have no difficulty purchasing a seat right now.

What's your percentage of season tickets for your seats available for sale in basketball? What growth are you seeing from last year, and the year before?

We've grown our football ticket sales about 15% each year the last couple of years. Our Athletic Department donations have grown at astronomical rates. The support is there, and it's only growing.

Yes you have a lot of potential supporters, but still waiting for them to show up. And yes, winning does have something to do with it, but not all.

Winning has much more to do with it than you're giving credit for. This thread is about reflections from the Liberty game. Not about the success of GaSo. You've got your FB program hitting on all cylinders. GaSt does not.

(10-05-2015 08:17 AM)sidslidkid Wrote:  Turner Field will definitely help them and it will help the city of Atlanta. Yes, they've done literally everything wrong up to this point, but they'll see a spike in attendance and possibly a spike in recruiting if they don't screw this gift the city/state is handing them. All new stadiums attract fans the first year. If they continue losing attendance will drop, but I bet there will be a sense of ownership and pride in having their own building, so they should be able to keep a modest core coming to the games even if they are down.

Plus GaSt has too much money to be down forever. They may never be considered a football school, but I think they're coming to terms with that. They'll have a few good years along the way.

Very good point to make.

The concern is do they get Turner or just the property and put up an erector set on the northern portion? I know that's come up in some of the AJC stuff I've read, that Turner could become a market or something like that. It would be a crying shame to not get the stadium when the opportunity is there.

(10-05-2015 08:34 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 08:17 AM)sidslidkid Wrote:  Turner Field will definitely help them and it will help the city of Atlanta. Yes, they've done literally everything wrong up to this point, but they'll see a spike in attendance and possibly a spike in recruiting if they don't screw this gift the city/state is handing them. All new stadiums attract fans the first year. If they continue losing attendance will drop, but I bet there will be a sense of ownership and pride in having their own building, so they should be able to keep a modest core coming to the games even if they are down.

Plus GaSt has too much money to be down forever. They may never be considered a football school, but I think they're coming to terms with that. They'll have a few good years along the way.

Very good point to make.

The concern is do they get Turner or just the property and put up an erector set on the northern portion? I know that's come up in some of the AJC stuff I've read, that Turner could become a market or something like that. It would be a crying shame to not get the stadium when the opportunity is there.

I'm sure they'll get the entire property... Ty Cobb statue and all.

(10-05-2015 08:38 AM)sidslidkid Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 08:34 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 08:17 AM)sidslidkid Wrote:  Turner Field will definitely help them and it will help the city of Atlanta. Yes, they've done literally everything wrong up to this point, but they'll see a spike in attendance and possibly a spike in recruiting if they don't screw this gift the city/state is handing them. All new stadiums attract fans the first year. If they continue losing attendance will drop, but I bet there will be a sense of ownership and pride in having their own building, so they should be able to keep a modest core coming to the games even if they are down.

Plus GaSt has too much money to be down forever. They may never be considered a football school, but I think they're coming to terms with that. They'll have a few good years along the way.

Very good point to make.

The concern is do they get Turner or just the property and put up an erector set on the northern portion? I know that's come up in some of the AJC stuff I've read, that Turner could become a market or something like that. It would be a crying shame to not get the stadium when the opportunity is there.

I'm sure they'll get the entire property... Ty Cobb statue and all.

We are getting it all. There is an option to tear down the Ted though. If Levick were AD I would forecast 80% chance of the Ted being torn down. With Cobb there you can reduce that to 8%.

(10-04-2015 11:56 PM)PantherPride Wrote:  

(10-04-2015 05:49 PM)panama Wrote:  You have 20k alumni here out of 6M. Assuming every single alumnus is a GS fan, a stretch, then that is your max.

Yeah, I don't think their assumption is very accurate. They have a good amount of fans but not more than GSU

With our success, we should have more support from our alumni base in Atlanta is a given, but we are able to put more butts in the seats in a game in Atlanta than GAST can, that has been demonstrated.

(10-05-2015 07:14 AM)panama Wrote:  Try and buy a lower bowl seat for basketball.

i.e. YOU MUST WIN

You sold out one game, which was against us. Lets not get crazy with this basketball thing at Ga State. Historically you haven't been that good. Hell, we own you in that and basketball certainly isn't a strong point of ours. Even last year we split the regular season and was a basket away from winning the Sun Belt Tournament.

Watch....the only game you sell out next year is playing us again.

Man am I glad this thread got to be about Georgia Southern... I was concerned we might have a single thread on this board that was NOT about them.