(09-22-2015 07:50 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  So, about that admin that got you into this situation. Your other posts were so level-headed and reasonable. I need my daily dose of unreasonable internet rage.

Go!

I mean really. We come here in search of unsupported rumor, outrageous accusations, hopelessly biased observations, and when-hell-freezes-over type homeristic predictions, and this guy wants to give us reasonable? WTF?

(09-22-2015 09:04 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 07:50 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  So, about that admin that got you into this situation. Your other posts were so level-headed and reasonable. I need my daily dose of unreasonable internet rage.

Go!

I mean really. We come here in search of unsupported rumor, outrageous accusations, hopelessly biased observations, and when-hell-freezes-over type homeristic predictions, and this guy wants to give us reasonable? WTF?

He is so unreasonable in his reasonableness. I have been this outraged since at least yesterday.

(09-22-2015 09:04 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 07:50 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  So, about that admin that got you into this situation. Your other posts were so level-headed and reasonable. I need my daily dose of unreasonable internet rage.

Go!

I mean really. We come here in search of unsupported rumor, outrageous accusations, hopelessly biased observations, and when-hell-freezes-over type homeristic predictions, and this guy wants to give us reasonable? WTF?

And this is why we don't get invited to parties

Paul Petrino is an A-Hole. I'm not sure he needs to be blamed for the disaster that is Idaho football right now, but he's still an A-Hole.

(09-22-2015 08:45 PM)VandalBasher Wrote:  Vandal fans are far from happy. We just know to have unreasonable levels of patience.

Go Vandals.

(09-22-2015 07:59 PM)Eaglessoar2014 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 05:51 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  Ugh. Paul Petrino took over a program at the absolute rock bottom -- lost its conference, APR in the toilet, massive transfers. The players who should be junior and senior leaders right now are the players who left during the coaching change. And then Petrino had to recruit for a year as an independent with no conference prospects on the horizon. The fact that the team is starting to show signs of life is a minor miracle.

He didn't "physically attack" a reporter. The reporter got yelled at and apparently damaged his delicate feelings.

The Epps situation wasn't handled well from a PR standpoint, but the offenses involved were a DUI and shoplifting of $37 worth of groceries (for which he was kicked off the team an for an entire season), and another shoplifting incident where all the merchandise was returned and Epps suspended for a game. None of this involved violence of any kind and would barely register on the radar at almost any major college sports program.

And hanging Bobby Petrino's sins on Paul is just a cheap shot. Lord knows my brother wouldn't want to be blamed for every dumb*** thing I've done over the years.

I won't go so far as to say we're lucky to have Petrino (3-23 is still 3-23), but I doubt anyone would have done much better given the circumstances. There were a LOT of problems here, most of them have been addressed and corrected, and we're headed in the right direction.

You happy I'm happy.

Yeah, I'm a long way from happy. It's just that Paul Petrino is the only part of this whole sorry mess I'm not mad at.

(09-22-2015 09:32 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Paul Petrino is an A-Hole. I'm not sure he needs to be blamed for the disaster that is Idaho football right now, but he's still an A-Hole.

Being an A-hole must run in the fambly, he looks like Bobby.

(09-22-2015 06:46 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  I want to work for someone just like you.
I keep finding employers that expect immediate positive results.

I realize this is a dig but I do expect results and Petrino is delivering them about as well as anyone could.

It's hard for people who don't follow Idaho to understand just what a horrible situation he walked into. The program was a zoo in Akey's last 2 years -- bad grades, bad conduct, zero discipline on or off the field, low work ethic, no accountability. When Petrino came in, virtually every contributor from the 2012 team left -- graduation, drugs, grades, or just didn't want to work that hard. So for 2013, he had to fill the roster with whatever warm bodies he could find from the JUCO late signee ranks. Something like 58 of the players who suited up for us in the first game of 2013 had never been on a Division I football field before. New coach, new players, new offense. It was a mess.

On top of that, we played a hastily slapped-together indy schedule necessitated by the collapse of the WAC. We played 9 bowl teams that year. We were the Washington Generals. Idaho was hopelessly overmatched in every single game (Except maybe NMSU. How we beat Temple I'll never understand). So we got clobbered. Bill Belichick would have been clobbered in those circumstances.

But, there were some positive signs. Unlike Akey's last couple years, the team didn't commit a zillion dumb personal fouls, and it never rolled over and quit despite being completely outclassed. The offense also occasionally clicked and you could catch a glimpse of what Petrino was trying to do. That's about as much progress as anyone could have made that year.

Offseason: The NCAA sanctions Idaho for APR issues caused during Akey's tenure (Idaho now has one of the highest APRs in the Sun Belt). We get a bowl ban and lose 4 hours per week of practice time. The bowl ban didn't matter but the lack of practice time really hurt such a young team.

Year 2 -- We're in the Sun Belt (thanks, guys)! We're far more competitive but still have no depth thanks to the effects of the mass exodus between Akey and Petrino. So we play a lot of teams tight for 3 quarters and lose. Another 1-win season, but at least the games aren't already decided by the 2nd quarter. We're not outcoached, but we're out-talented, and we've improved.

Offseason -- APR is great! Bowl and practice restrictions lifted!

Year 3 -- This year. We still have almost no seniors who didn't come from JUCOs thanks to 2012-13, but Idaho is clearly a much deeper team than it's been in a long time. This week we put up 41 points despite missing our #2,#3 & #4 WRs. This is the first year we didn't start 0-3 since 2011. We're not going to win the conference, but I expect Idaho to be competitive against all but the best Sun Belt teams. A competitive 3-9 doesn't sound like much but it would be a long way from where we've been.

Idaho is a proud program that's fallen on some very hard times. "Immediate positive results" means something a lot more modest for us right now than it does for the standard team that brings in a new coach after a 5-7 season or something. We'll be fine as long as we get the space to get fully back up and running and Petrino has done nothing to show me he's not the man for the job.

Quote: Idaho was hopelessly overmatched in every single game (Except maybe NMSU.

He said maybe.

(09-22-2015 07:50 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:58 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:48 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:30 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:17 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  Welcome to the board Paul!

I'm just so tired of the feeding frenzy around the guy. He brought some of it on himself but it's mostly about such piddly crap it's embarrassing. There's 15 years of frustration and wounded pride being taken out on the wrong target right now.

When he took the job it was unquestionably the worst job in FBS football. I am more than willing to give him this year and probably next year before I jump on the Fire Petrino bandwagon.

That's a thoughtful, level-headed, reasonable and objective analysis of a tough situation.

What the hell are you doing here????

I'm totally prepared to get unreasonable. Just ask me about the administration that got us into this situation in the first place.

So, about that admin that got you into this situation. Your other posts were so level-headed and reasonable. I need my daily dose of unreasonable internet rage.

Go!

It's too much. Among other topics, I'd have to write about:

-- The original sin of allowing ourselves to leave what later became the PAC10.

-- Moving to FBS without any kind of plan to succeed. We'd dominated Boise St. throughout the 80's & 90's, so we moved up as a "me too!" move when BSU went FBS. They had a plan. We didn't.

-- Failure to capitalize on early FBS success to improve facilities in any way. We knew the Dome was too small. We had to rent out Wazzu's stadium to play our early FBS games just to meet attendance requirements. That was a clue.

-- Failure to capitalize on our 2009 success to upgrade facilities, and allowing the program to fall apart after 2010.

-- A revolving door of Presidents who've been indifferent to or outright disdainful of athletics.

-- The fact that the AD who's presided over arguably the worst 11 years in Idaho athletic history is somehow still here.

By the time I was done I'd have written a book and given myself a brain aneurysm.

I feel like this could be on the show 60 minutes. What a nightmare to go through.

(09-22-2015 09:32 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Paul Petrino is an A-Hole. I'm not sure he needs to be blamed for the disaster that is Idaho football right now, but he's still an A-Hole.

The thing about being an a-hole coach is that he needs to admit it to the media, like UCLA's Mora.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZZ2N1h2L2M

Oh, and also win a ton of games and be ranked preseason. That probably helps too.

(09-22-2015 06:48 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:30 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:17 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 05:51 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  Ugh. Paul Petrino took over a program at the absolute rock bottom -- lost its conference, APR in the toilet, massive transfers. The players who should be junior and senior leaders right now are the players who left during the coaching change. And then Petrino had to recruit for a year as an independent with no conference prospects on the horizon. The fact that the team is starting to show signs of life is a minor miracle.

He didn't "physically attack" a reporter. The reporter got yelled at and apparently damaged his delicate feelings.

The Epps situation wasn't handled well from a PR standpoint, but the offenses involved were a DUI and shoplifting of $37 worth of groceries (for which he was kicked off the team an for an entire season), and another shoplifting incident where all the merchandise was returned and Epps suspended for a game. None of this involved violence of any kind and would barely register on the radar at almost any major college sports program.

And hanging Bobby Petrino's sins on Paul is just a cheap shot. Lord knows my brother wouldn't want to be blamed for every dumb*** thing I've done over the years.

I won't go so far as to say we're lucky to have Petrino (3-23 is still 3-23), but I doubt anyone would have done much better given the circumstances. There were a LOT of problems here, most of them have been addressed and corrected, and we're headed in the right direction.

Welcome to the board Paul!

I'm just so tired of the feeding frenzy around the guy. He brought some of it on himself but it's mostly about such piddly crap it's embarrassing. There's 15 years of frustration and wounded pride being taken out on the wrong target right now.

When he took the job it was unquestionably the worst job in FBS football. I am more than willing to give him this year and probably next year before I jump on the Fire Petrino bandwagon.

That's a thoughtful, level-headed, reasonable and objective analysis of a tough situation.

What the hell are you doing here????

My sentiment almost exactly.

(09-22-2015 10:30 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:46 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  I want to work for someone just like you.
I keep finding employers that expect immediate positive results.

I realize this is a dig but I do expect results and Petrino is delivering them about as well as anyone could.

It's hard for people who don't follow Idaho to understand just what a horrible situation he walked into. The program was a zoo in Akey's last 2 years -- bad grades, bad conduct, zero discipline on or off the field, low work ethic, no accountability. When Petrino came in, virtually every contributor from the 2012 team left -- graduation, drugs, grades, or just didn't want to work that hard. So for 2013, he had to fill the roster with whatever warm bodies he could find from the JUCO late signee ranks. Something like 58 of the players who suited up for us in the first game of 2013 had never been on a Division I football field before. New coach, new players, new offense. It was a mess.

On top of that, we played a hastily slapped-together indy schedule necessitated by the collapse of the WAC. We played 9 bowl teams that year. We were the Washington Generals. Idaho was hopelessly overmatched in every single game (Except maybe NMSU. How we beat Temple I'll never understand). So we got clobbered. Bill Belichick would have been clobbered in those circumstances.

But, there were some positive signs. Unlike Akey's last couple years, the team didn't commit a zillion dumb personal fouls, and it never rolled over and quit despite being completely outclassed. The offense also occasionally clicked and you could catch a glimpse of what Petrino was trying to do. That's about as much progress as anyone could have made that year.

Offseason: The NCAA sanctions Idaho for APR issues caused during Akey's tenure (Idaho now has one of the highest APRs in the Sun Belt). We get a bowl ban and lose 4 hours per week of practice time. The bowl ban didn't matter but the lack of practice time really hurt such a young team.

Year 2 -- We're in the Sun Belt (thanks, guys)! We're far more competitive but still have no depth thanks to the effects of the mass exodus between Akey and Petrino. So we play a lot of teams tight for 3 quarters and lose. Another 1-win season, but at least the games aren't already decided by the 2nd quarter. We're not outcoached, but we're out-talented, and we've improved.

Offseason -- APR is great! Bowl and practice restrictions lifted!

Year 3 -- This year. We still have almost no seniors who didn't come from JUCOs thanks to 2012-13, but Idaho is clearly a much deeper team than it's been in a long time. This week we put up 41 points despite missing our #2,#3 & #4 WRs. This is the first year we didn't start 0-3 since 2011. We're not going to win the conference, but I expect Idaho to be competitive against all but the best Sun Belt teams. A competitive 3-9 doesn't sound like much but it would be a long way from where we've been.

Idaho is a proud program that's fallen on some very hard times. "Immediate positive results" means something a lot more modest for us right now than it does for the standard team that brings in a new coach after a 5-7 season or something. We'll be fine as long as we get the space to get fully back up and running and Petrino has done nothing to show me he's not the man for the job.

I just hope he waits until after Saturday to turn the Vandal ship around. I kinda worry something like this will cause the team to circle the wagons and play the game of their lives to win one for the Pipper.


Petrino does seem to be a dick though. Kinda like VanGorder was. He got kinda thin-skinned with media down here before he pitched stakes and left town.

Someone needs to get video of Paul inevitably running around campus and angrily ripping down each flier himself.

(09-22-2015 10:30 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:46 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  I want to work for someone just like you.
I keep finding employers that expect immediate positive results.

I realize this is a dig but I do expect results and Petrino is delivering them about as well as anyone could.

It's hard for people who don't follow Idaho to understand just what a horrible situation he walked into.

Nah, I think that I understand pretty well. I respect your ability to step back from the situation, and analyze it. Not many can do that....I'm one of them.

But at some point, you've got to concede that the Petrino experiment isn't working, and look for a different direction.
We did the same thing. We got stuck with a football coach who couldn't move us past 6-6. We finally got past that, and have done pretty well. (knock on wood)

FWIW. I don't keep up with basketball, but I hear we're operating in a very similar manner (as your admin and Petrino).

I have a great deal of sympathy for Idaho because we made many of the similar mistakes. Idaho got behind the 8 ball at the very start asking the NCAA for permission to just move to WSU's stadium for a year and move back which got frowned on and generated some negative publicity. Taking all sports to the Big Sky but for football has fueled plenty of speculation that once the Petrino era is done that if it ends with a firing rather than taking a better job that Idaho will just slide football into the Sky.

Doesn't matter if there is no basis for it, people are going to speculate and that's not what you want them speculating about.

(09-23-2015 08:49 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 10:30 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:46 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  I want to work for someone just like you.
I keep finding employers that expect immediate positive results.

I realize this is a dig but I do expect results and Petrino is delivering them about as well as anyone could.

It's hard for people who don't follow Idaho to understand just what a horrible situation he walked into.

Nah, I think that I understand pretty well. I respect your ability to step back from the situation, and analyze it. Not many can do that....I'm one of them.

But at some point, you've got to concede that the Petrino experiment isn't working, and look for a different direction.
We did the same thing. We got stuck with a football coach who couldn't move us past 6-6. We finally got past that, and have done pretty well. (knock on wood)

FWIW. I don't keep up with basketball, but I hear we're operating in a very similar manner (as your admin and Petrino).

Agreed. Next year is Year 4. We have a solid QB and most of the depth issues should be corrected by then. If we're not contending for a bowl next year I'm going to be grumpy. I just think it's unfair to pass judgment 3 games into this year given the circumstances, especially given that we won the game we were supposed to win.

(09-23-2015 09:06 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I have a great deal of sympathy for Idaho because we made many of the similar mistakes. Idaho got behind the 8 ball at the very start asking the NCAA for permission to just move to WSU's stadium for a year and move back which got frowned on and generated some negative publicity. Taking all sports to the Big Sky but for football has fueled plenty of speculation that once the Petrino era is done that if it ends with a firing rather than taking a better job that Idaho will just slide football into the Sky.

Doesn't matter if there is no basis for it, people are going to speculate and that's not what you want them speculating about.

It doesn't help that a group of Vandal fans would love to see us go back to the Big Sky. They remember the good ol' days when we were dominating a conference with BSU, Montana and Nevada. Montana would still be fun, but they don't get that those other schools left and we'd be trying to get excited for games with Northern Colorado, Sacramento St. and Southern Utah.

Plus, a bad program is a bad program. Without a turnaround we wouldn't compete over there either. We just need to stay where we are and fix the football team, which Petrino is doing.

(09-22-2015 05:06 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  Even in an angry flier he does the collegiate thing and includes sources.

Nice catch. It is over for him there. Idaho needs to move on.

For what it's worth, Akey was only 5-22 in his first 27 games and then went on to go 9-5 with a bowl game win that year and was one game away from a bowl game the next year. His rebuilding was much easier than Petrino's so I don't think 27 games is enough time to see whether a coach can win or not given the situation.