(07-22-2015 07:35 AM)moehler Wrote:  JMU is the logical choice, but their administration screwed us, and their fans, so, for some reason, we cant wait another two or three years to see if they will come around, instead were going to add a school, CC, EKU, Missouri State, that clearly isn't ready for the move up, in terms of football support. If we are so keen on one of these schools, then why not tell them we will not make a decision now, but if you can show us you can average more than 15 thousand a game, and make the necessary upgrades to your stadiums, then that will go a long way to you getting in the SBC. I don't understand the rush, none of these schools are going anywhere, no other mid major conferences are even considering them. Bottom line is make them prove to us their committed to building a solid FBS program, before we make a rushed mistake that 5 years from now we regret.

When will all of the current SBC schools show they can average more than 15K a game?

(07-22-2015 08:12 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 07:35 AM)moehler Wrote:  JMU is the logical choice, but their administration screwed us, and their fans, so, for some reason, we cant wait another two or three years to see if they will come around, instead were going to add a school, CC, EKU, Missouri State, that clearly isn't ready for the move up, in terms of football support. If we are so keen on one of these schools, then why not tell them we will not make a decision now, but if you can show us you can average more than 15 thousand a game, and make the necessary upgrades to your stadiums, then that will go a long way to you getting in the SBC. I don't understand the rush, none of these schools are going anywhere, no other mid major conferences are even considering them. Bottom line is make them prove to us their committed to building a solid FBS program, before we make a rushed mistake that 5 years from now we regret.

When will all of the current SBC schools show they can average more than 15K a game?

Only idaho and NMSU didn't last year.

(07-22-2015 08:16 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:12 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 07:35 AM)moehler Wrote:  JMU is the logical choice, but their administration screwed us, and their fans, so, for some reason, we cant wait another two or three years to see if they will come around, instead were going to add a school, CC, EKU, Missouri State, that clearly isn't ready for the move up, in terms of football support. If we are so keen on one of these schools, then why not tell them we will not make a decision now, but if you can show us you can average more than 15 thousand a game, and make the necessary upgrades to your stadiums, then that will go a long way to you getting in the SBC. I don't understand the rush, none of these schools are going anywhere, no other mid major conferences are even considering them. Bottom line is make them prove to us their committed to building a solid FBS program, before we make a rushed mistake that 5 years from now we regret.

When will all of the current SBC schools show they can average more than 15K a game?

Only idaho and NMSU didn't last year.

I know. And Ga State made it thanks to Georgia Southern visiting them last year.

(07-22-2015 08:19 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:16 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:12 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 07:35 AM)moehler Wrote:  JMU is the logical choice, but their administration screwed us, and their fans, so, for some reason, we cant wait another two or three years to see if they will come around, instead were going to add a school, CC, EKU, Missouri State, that clearly isn't ready for the move up, in terms of football support. If we are so keen on one of these schools, then why not tell them we will not make a decision now, but if you can show us you can average more than 15 thousand a game, and make the necessary upgrades to your stadiums, then that will go a long way to you getting in the SBC. I don't understand the rush, none of these schools are going anywhere, no other mid major conferences are even considering them. Bottom line is make them prove to us their committed to building a solid FBS program, before we make a rushed mistake that 5 years from now we regret.

When will all of the current SBC schools show they can average more than 15K a game?

Only idaho and NMSU didn't last year.

I know. And Ga State made it thanks to Georgia Southern visiting them last year.

We Eagle fans will do our part to help them make it every other year.

There seem to be better expansion candidates for the Sun Belt than Coastal Carolina. Why are they even being considered? Seems to me that JMU would be a better add for an eastern rival or Missouri St in the west.

This article to me clarifies that the current look at expansion is more driven by the Olympic sports.

http://www.dothaneagle.com/sports/troy/s...a022e.html

(07-22-2015 08:19 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:16 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:12 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 07:35 AM)moehler Wrote:  JMU is the logical choice, but their administration screwed us, and their fans, so, for some reason, we cant wait another two or three years to see if they will come around, instead were going to add a school, CC, EKU, Missouri State, that clearly isn't ready for the move up, in terms of football support. If we are so keen on one of these schools, then why not tell them we will not make a decision now, but if you can show us you can average more than 15 thousand a game, and make the necessary upgrades to your stadiums, then that will go a long way to you getting in the SBC. I don't understand the rush, none of these schools are going anywhere, no other mid major conferences are even considering them. Bottom line is make them prove to us their committed to building a solid FBS program, before we make a rushed mistake that 5 years from now we regret.

When will all of the current SBC schools show they can average more than 15K a game?

Only idaho and NMSU didn't last year.

I know. And Ga State made it thanks to Georgia Southern visiting them last year.

So coastal never had a visiting fan? That helped their attendance?

(07-22-2015 08:38 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  There seem to be better expansion candidates for the Sun Belt than Coastal Carolina. Why are they even being considered? Seems to me that JMU would be a better add for an eastern rival or Missouri St in the west.

The small enough revenue the conference generates from football from the NCAA would be further reduced by adding another football school. Adding a school with proven success in basketball/baseball/softball would help the conference build sport that need growth. I think that's the theory behind the proposed addition at this time. It's either that or stand pat where we are right now.

(07-22-2015 08:49 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:19 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:16 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:12 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 07:35 AM)moehler Wrote:  JMU is the logical choice, but their administration screwed us, and their fans, so, for some reason, we cant wait another two or three years to see if they will come around, instead were going to add a school, CC, EKU, Missouri State, that clearly isn't ready for the move up, in terms of football support. If we are so keen on one of these schools, then why not tell them we will not make a decision now, but if you can show us you can average more than 15 thousand a game, and make the necessary upgrades to your stadiums, then that will go a long way to you getting in the SBC. I don't understand the rush, none of these schools are going anywhere, no other mid major conferences are even considering them. Bottom line is make them prove to us their committed to building a solid FBS program, before we make a rushed mistake that 5 years from now we regret.

When will all of the current SBC schools show they can average more than 15K a game?

Only idaho and NMSU didn't last year.

I know. And Ga State made it thanks to Georgia Southern visiting them last year.

So coastal never had a visiting fan? That helped their attendance?

They've probably never had visiting fans be 2/3 of a reported 28k.

(07-22-2015 08:38 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  There seem to be better expansion candidates for the Sun Belt than Coastal Carolina. Why are they even being considered? Seems to me that JMU would be a better add for an eastern rival or Missouri St in the west.

NMSU All Sports is a no brainier . . . And yeah, after that JMU and Mo. St. Are the two best candidates in The SBC footprint . . . . The problem, neither school has indicated that they'd accept an invite. . . .

. . . Which leaves us looking at 2 programs that are not yet ready . . . .

(07-22-2015 08:49 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:19 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:16 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:12 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 07:35 AM)moehler Wrote:  JMU is the logical choice, but their administration screwed us, and their fans, so, for some reason, we cant wait another two or three years to see if they will come around, instead were going to add a school, CC, EKU, Missouri State, that clearly isn't ready for the move up, in terms of football support. If we are so keen on one of these schools, then why not tell them we will not make a decision now, but if you can show us you can average more than 15 thousand a game, and make the necessary upgrades to your stadiums, then that will go a long way to you getting in the SBC. I don't understand the rush, none of these schools are going anywhere, no other mid major conferences are even considering them. Bottom line is make them prove to us their committed to building a solid FBS program, before we make a rushed mistake that 5 years from now we regret.

When will all of the current SBC schools show they can average more than 15K a game?

Only idaho and NMSU didn't last year.

I know. And Ga State made it thanks to Georgia Southern visiting them last year.

So coastal never had a visiting fan? That helped their attendance?

Not saying that at all. In fact, we would likely rely on the Georgia Southern and App State fans as well early on to help bolster attendance. I'm just putting some of the expectations others have in perspective.

(07-22-2015 08:43 AM)EKUSteve Wrote:  This article to me clarifies that the current look at expansion is more driven by the Olympic sports.

http://www.dothaneagle.com/sports/troy/s...a022e.html

I think they are just setting expectations. The need is clearly divisions for all sports and if a non-sexy football school gets called up then they can point out that it wasn't about football.

If they bring in a NMSU or a non-football school then they can say it was all about Olympic sports.

If they bring in an EKU or Coastal then they can point out the advantages in terms of Olympic sports and then just say that adding their football team was a by-product of needing to solidify the other sports. I read a quote from someone, I forget who, maybe Mohajir or ULL coach or AD - it said something to the effect that the importance was Olympic sports and if they had to accept another football team to make that happen then they would do so even if they may not be overjoyed about it.

(07-22-2015 08:19 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  I know. And Ga State made it thanks to Georgia Southern visiting them last year.

Not sure the point you're trying to make here... Does a visiting fan base from a conference opponent (one who will likely be visiting every other year, even in divisions) invalidate attendance?

Do they get an asterisk against their name when it comes to attendance?

Or should we subtract the visiting fans from your attendance numbers?

(07-22-2015 05:53 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  “We are no longer driven by a football championship game when it comes to our future membership,” Benson said. “We now need to focus on what’s in the best interest of our other sports.”

“We need to get to divisions for other sports … that’s our goal,” Benson said. “When we will get there? We’ve tried. We’ve tried, we’re trying to make sure we get that right fit from an academics standpoint, from an athletic standpoint and from a maturity standpoint. I think it’s important that we’re doing this not necessarily with football in mind; this is no longer a football issue.”

Where is the outrage from the Texas State fans who busted me for making these exact same recommendations?

It's amazing to me how this turned into a football thread. If anyone bothered to read the blog that started this thread, there were plenty of quotes that showed this potential 12th member has NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL.

It's about getting to twelve in Olympic Sports. It's about travel partners.

And, I even let you know who the real candidates are.

Talk about a thread hijack LOL.

(07-22-2015 08:50 AM)CajunAmos Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:38 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  There seem to be better expansion candidates for the Sun Belt than Coastal Carolina. Why are they even being considered? Seems to me that JMU would be a better add for an eastern rival or Missouri St in the west.

The small enough revenue the conference generates from football from the NCAA would be further reduced by adding another football school. Adding a school with proven success in basketball/baseball/softball would help the conference build sport that need growth. I think that's the theory behind the proposed addition at this time. It's either that or stand pat where we are right now.

Everyone has an opinion and that's fine, but you are incorrect about NCAA revenue. If we add a 12th team, our revenue from the playoff scales up. Beyond 12 is where the conference members see reduced share. Up to 12 it's a million per school. Plus we just bumped the entrance fee meaning whomever we invite will go without their share for two years anyway.

Here's the deal: An Olympic only offer will not move the needle for a potential suitor. What exactly do we bring to the table for a school in a regional conference with an NCAA auto bid? Not much. But, to a school aspiring to be in the fbs, we bring a lot to the table. I fully expect to see an all sports school invited. Having said that: football may or may not be placed in transition immediately. It could Very well be that the next member brings football over in 4 years rather than 2.

(07-22-2015 08:12 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 07:35 AM)moehler Wrote:  JMU is the logical choice, but their administration screwed us, and their fans, so, for some reason, we cant wait another two or three years to see if they will come around, instead were going to add a school, CC, EKU, Missouri State, that clearly isn't ready for the move up, in terms of football support. If we are so keen on one of these schools, then why not tell them we will not make a decision now, but if you can show us you can average more than 15 thousand a game, and make the necessary upgrades to your stadiums, then that will go a long way to you getting in the SBC. I don't understand the rush, none of these schools are going anywhere, no other mid major conferences are even considering them. Bottom line is make them prove to us their committed to building a solid FBS program, before we make a rushed mistake that 5 years from now we regret.

When will all of the current SBC schools show they can average more than 15K a game?

You need more regional opponents in conference and out of conference. New Mexico and Idaho is just wrong.

(07-22-2015 08:12 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 07:35 AM)moehler Wrote:  JMU is the logical choice, but their administration screwed us, and their fans, so, for some reason, we cant wait another two or three years to see if they will come around, instead were going to add a school, CC, EKU, Missouri State, that clearly isn't ready for the move up, in terms of football support. If we are so keen on one of these schools, then why not tell them we will not make a decision now, but if you can show us you can average more than 15 thousand a game, and make the necessary upgrades to your stadiums, then that will go a long way to you getting in the SBC. I don't understand the rush, none of these schools are going anywhere, no other mid major conferences are even considering them. Bottom line is make them prove to us their committed to building a solid FBS program, before we make a rushed mistake that 5 years from now we regret.

When will all of the current SBC schools show they can average more than 15K a game?

You need more regional opponents in conference and out of conference. New Mexico and Idaho is just wrong.

(07-22-2015 09:15 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:19 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  I know. And Ga State made it thanks to Georgia Southern visiting them last year.

Not sure the point you're trying to make here... Does a visiting fan base from a conference opponent (one who will likely be visiting every other year, even in divisions) invalidate attendance?

Do they get an asterisk against their name when it comes to attendance?

Or should we subtract the visiting fans from your attendance numbers?

Not at all - just showing that this was a significant outlier for them.They averaged 15,006. That game was 28,400.

But if you are going to give them the benefit here then you should also give a prospective member school about 3 hours away the same benefit. I don't know if Georgia Southern or App St would bring 18,000 each year but I think conservative estimates would be between 8-10,000K in addition to the Coastal fans.

(07-21-2015 01:57 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  I have to say Myrtle Beach would be a very attractive extended weekend trip. Just saying.

The conference basketball tournament would end up at the Myrtle Beach convention center some years six thousand seats. Connected to a hotel and a block from the states number one tourist destination broadway at the beach .

I would think APP ST would bring a ton of fan to Coastal.
You could play a summer football game and ten thousand App fans would already be in town. Not a possibility just pointing out they come here already.

So why not add NMSU, CCU, and EKU, two divisions of seven for basketball and go to a 16 or 18 game basketball schedule?