(07-06-2015 07:57 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 11:33 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 11:26 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 11:09 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 09:47 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  Why? Did he also double as a network executive, and not tell anyone?

show had a solid budget and a prime time spot on UPN (7 pm) so I don't blame the network executives

Bakula acted more like a princess than a starship captain...Berman and Braga were also mailing it in as they say.

You're wrong, as always...

The network execs were responsible for the "Temporal Cold War" storyline that permeated the first 2 seasons. So once again, you know not what you speak. Feel free to prove me wrong, but I know you'll fail.

And if handled correctly, it could have been good TV...hell, the guy who played Silik was a veteran Trek actor who brought more to his character than Bakula ever did.

The three Bs screwed that show up...Berman, Braga, and Bakula

Thank goodness they let Ron Moore and Ira Steven Behr run DS9 for the most part.

The Temporal Cold War was dumb. ST:ENT only had to do two things; introduce audiences to some of the founding Federation races and serve as a prelude to the Romulan War. On the balance, it missed more than it hit regarding those objectives.

That's silly as the Voyage Home proved you can take a dumb concept (going back to the 80s to get some whales to take to the future to save humanity from a probe that's never explained?) and make it vastly entertaining via good acting and character interaction.

(07-06-2015 10:07 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 07:57 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 11:33 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 11:26 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 11:09 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:   show had a solid budget and a prime time spot on UPN (7 pm) so I don't blame the network executives

Bakula acted more like a princess than a starship captain...Berman and Braga were also mailing it in as they say.

You're wrong, as always...

The network execs were responsible for the "Temporal Cold War" storyline that permeated the first 2 seasons. So once again, you know not what you speak. Feel free to prove me wrong, but I know you'll fail.

And if handled correctly, it could have been good TV...hell, the guy who played Silik was a veteran Trek actor who brought more to his character than Bakula ever did.

The three Bs screwed that show up...Berman, Braga, and Bakula

Thank goodness they let Ron Moore and Ira Steven Behr run DS9 for the most part.

The Temporal Cold War was dumb. ST:ENT only had to do two things; introduce audiences to some of the founding Federation races and serve as a prelude to the Romulan War. On the balance, it missed more than it hit regarding those objectives.

That's silly as the Voyage Home proved you can take a dumb concept (going back to the 80s to get some whales to take to the future to save humanity from a probe that's never explained?) and make it vastly entertaining via good acting and character interaction.

I didn't say time travel was a bad McGuffin, just that it didn't do any of the bolded in ENT. The Suliban served no point and had no future ramifications on the show.

BTW, how did you ever make it through the first two season of DS9? It always reminded me a of terrible rehash of Babylon 5 when I watched it.

(07-06-2015 10:33 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 10:07 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 07:57 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 11:33 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 11:26 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  The network execs were responsible for the "Temporal Cold War" storyline that permeated the first 2 seasons. So once again, you know not what you speak. Feel free to prove me wrong, but I know you'll fail.

And if handled correctly, it could have been good TV...hell, the guy who played Silik was a veteran Trek actor who brought more to his character than Bakula ever did.

The three Bs screwed that show up...Berman, Braga, and Bakula

Thank goodness they let Ron Moore and Ira Steven Behr run DS9 for the most part.

The Temporal Cold War was dumb. ST:ENT only had to do two things; introduce audiences to some of the founding Federation races and serve as a prelude to the Romulan War. On the balance, it missed more than it hit regarding those objectives.

That's silly as the Voyage Home proved you can take a dumb concept (going back to the 80s to get some whales to take to the future to save humanity from a probe that's never explained?) and make it vastly entertaining via good acting and character interaction.

I didn't say time travel was a bad McGuffin, just that it didn't do any of the bolded in ENT. The Suliban served no point and had no future ramifications on the show.

BTW, how did you ever make it through the first two season of DS9? It always reminded me a of terrible rehash of Babylon 5 when I watched it.

I enjoyed the pilot for DS9 (it had Borg, Cardassians, a new species with the Bajorans, and the TNG cast for fun) and thought 'Duet' was the high point of season one...I also liked the 3 episode bajoran civil war arc at the start of season two, but my attention fell away after that...I remember watching 'Way of the Warrior' (start of season 3) and thinking 'now we're on to something'

(07-06-2015 10:39 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 10:33 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 10:07 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 07:57 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 11:33 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  And if handled correctly, it could have been good TV...hell, the guy who played Silik was a veteran Trek actor who brought more to his character than Bakula ever did.

The three Bs screwed that show up...Berman, Braga, and Bakula

Thank goodness they let Ron Moore and Ira Steven Behr run DS9 for the most part.

The Temporal Cold War was dumb. ST:ENT only had to do two things; introduce audiences to some of the founding Federation races and serve as a prelude to the Romulan War. On the balance, it missed more than it hit regarding those objectives.

That's silly as the Voyage Home proved you can take a dumb concept (going back to the 80s to get some whales to take to the future to save humanity from a probe that's never explained?) and make it vastly entertaining via good acting and character interaction.

I didn't say time travel was a bad McGuffin, just that it didn't do any of the bolded in ENT. The Suliban served no point and had no future ramifications on the show.

BTW, how did you ever make it through the first two season of DS9? It always reminded me a of terrible rehash of Babylon 5 when I watched it.

I enjoyed the pilot for DS9 (it had Borg, Cardassians, a new species with the Bajorans, and the TNG cast for fun) and thought 'Duet' was the high point of season one...I also liked the 3 episode bajoran civil war arc at the start of season two, but my attention fell away after that...I remember watching 'Way of the Warrior' (start of season 3) and thinking 'now we're on to something'

DS9 matched TOS in its high points, but it had a bunch of silliness also. "The Visitor" (the son trying to get his father back) was great TV in any genre. It was up there with TOS "City on the Edge of Forever" with Joan Collins.

1. Breaking Bad
2. The Wire
3. Simpsons
4. Andy Griffith
5. Justified

(07-06-2015 03:19 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 10:39 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 10:33 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 10:07 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 07:57 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  The Temporal Cold War was dumb. ST:ENT only had to do two things; introduce audiences to some of the founding Federation races and serve as a prelude to the Romulan War. On the balance, it missed more than it hit regarding those objectives.

That's silly as the Voyage Home proved you can take a dumb concept (going back to the 80s to get some whales to take to the future to save humanity from a probe that's never explained?) and make it vastly entertaining via good acting and character interaction.

I didn't say time travel was a bad McGuffin, just that it didn't do any of the bolded in ENT. The Suliban served no point and had no future ramifications on the show.

BTW, how did you ever make it through the first two season of DS9? It always reminded me a of terrible rehash of Babylon 5 when I watched it.

I enjoyed the pilot for DS9 (it had Borg, Cardassians, a new species with the Bajorans, and the TNG cast for fun) and thought 'Duet' was the high point of season one...I also liked the 3 episode bajoran civil war arc at the start of season two, but my attention fell away after that...I remember watching 'Way of the Warrior' (start of season 3) and thinking 'now we're on to something'

DS9 matched TOS in its high points, but it had a bunch of silliness also. "The Visitor" (the son trying to get his father back) was great TV in any genre. It was up there with TOS "City on the Edge of Forever" with Joan Collins.

It's also the only Trek show to effectively capture the true sense of war in Trek...you'll never see episodes like "In The Pale Moonlight" or "The Siege of AR-558" from TNG or Voyager...

you also have Ron Moore's "love song to Star Trek" with "Trials and Tribble-ations"

It could even do an effective look at race relations with "Far Beyond the Stars"

I really believe DS9 is Trek at it's best.

Did anybody watch Battlestar Galactica? I mean the original series? I used to watch that too, and liked it, though I was young then. Anyway, the Cylons were neat.

Star Trek, Original Only
Dr Who... most but not all of them... Don't care for the newest one yet
Big Bang Theory
Big tie behind there with things like Game of Thrones, Sopranos, Sleepy Hollow, Gotham, Frasier, Sienfeld, South Park and others that I like, but don't 'love'

(07-06-2015 04:28 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Did anybody watch Battlestar Galactica? I mean the original series? I used to watch that too, and liked it, though I was young then. Anyway, the Cylons were neat.

I always watched it and really liked it. But watching it now (you can catch it on cable periodically), I'm not sure why I liked it so much. However, the special effects for the time were really, really good.

What do all-American heroes William Shatner, Lorne Greene (Bonanza and Battlestar Galactica) and Michael J. Fox share?-they're Canadians.

(07-06-2015 03:39 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 03:19 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 10:39 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 10:33 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 10:07 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  That's silly as the Voyage Home proved you can take a dumb concept (going back to the 80s to get some whales to take to the future to save humanity from a probe that's never explained?) and make it vastly entertaining via good acting and character interaction.

I didn't say time travel was a bad McGuffin, just that it didn't do any of the bolded in ENT. The Suliban served no point and had no future ramifications on the show.

BTW, how did you ever make it through the first two season of DS9? It always reminded me a of terrible rehash of Babylon 5 when I watched it.

I enjoyed the pilot for DS9 (it had Borg, Cardassians, a new species with the Bajorans, and the TNG cast for fun) and thought 'Duet' was the high point of season one...I also liked the 3 episode bajoran civil war arc at the start of season two, but my attention fell away after that...I remember watching 'Way of the Warrior' (start of season 3) and thinking 'now we're on to something'

DS9 matched TOS in its high points, but it had a bunch of silliness also. "The Visitor" (the son trying to get his father back) was great TV in any genre. It was up there with TOS "City on the Edge of Forever" with Joan Collins.

It's also the only Trek show to effectively capture the true sense of war in Trek...you'll never see episodes like "In The Pale Moonlight" or "The Siege of AR-558" from TNG or Voyager...

you also have Ron Moore's "love song to Star Trek" with "Trials and Tribble-ations"

It could even do an effective look at race relations with "Far Beyond the Stars"

I really believe DS9 is Trek at it's best.

Best AND Worst. TNG, Voyageur and ST-ENT never quite reached the level of TOS and DS9's best shows. None of the others had so many silly Ferengi episodes either. TNG quickly realized they weren't very good adversaries. DS9's genetic engineering line was so much weaker than the Khan episode on TOS.

(07-06-2015 03:38 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  1. Breaking Bad
2. The Wire
3. Simpsons
4. Andy Griffith
5. Justified

That's an interesting list. Andy Griffith vs. Breaking Bad and the Simpsons!

There's one show I watch now (the only one I try to regularly watch) that might become a top 5, but I'm not sure they can maintain it-Orphan Black. Tatiana Maslany does a phenomenal job in her multiple roles.

Game of Thrones. The massive nudity redeems all.
Deep Space Nine. The lunatic writing the script on his padded walls.
Rescue Me.
Vikings. It has Lagertha. If it had naked Lagertha it would be perfect.
The Banana Splits. You did say all time. At age 6 I lived for Saturday morning, 9 am.

(07-06-2015 05:20 PM)58-56 Wrote:  Game of Thrones. The massive nudity redeems all.
Deep Space Nine. The lunatic writing the script on his padded walls.
Rescue Me.
Vikings. It has Lagertha. If it had naked Lagertha it would be perfect.
The Banana Splits. You did say all time. At age 6 I lived for Saturday morning, 9 am.

fa-la-la, la-la-la-la, la-la-la, la-la-la-la

One banana, two banana, three banana, four ...

I remember being six years old back in 1968 and looking forward to The Banana Splits every Saturday morning.

(07-06-2015 05:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 03:39 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 03:19 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 10:39 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 10:33 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I didn't say time travel was a bad McGuffin, just that it didn't do any of the bolded in ENT. The Suliban served no point and had no future ramifications on the show.

BTW, how did you ever make it through the first two season of DS9? It always reminded me a of terrible rehash of Babylon 5 when I watched it.

I enjoyed the pilot for DS9 (it had Borg, Cardassians, a new species with the Bajorans, and the TNG cast for fun) and thought 'Duet' was the high point of season one...I also liked the 3 episode bajoran civil war arc at the start of season two, but my attention fell away after that...I remember watching 'Way of the Warrior' (start of season 3) and thinking 'now we're on to something'

DS9 matched TOS in its high points, but it had a bunch of silliness also. "The Visitor" (the son trying to get his father back) was great TV in any genre. It was up there with TOS "City on the Edge of Forever" with Joan Collins.

It's also the only Trek show to effectively capture the true sense of war in Trek...you'll never see episodes like "In The Pale Moonlight" or "The Siege of AR-558" from TNG or Voyager...

you also have Ron Moore's "love song to Star Trek" with "Trials and Tribble-ations"

It could even do an effective look at race relations with "Far Beyond the Stars"

I really believe DS9 is Trek at it's best.

Best AND Worst. TNG, Voyageur and ST-ENT never quite reached the level of TOS and DS9's best shows. None of the others had so many silly Ferengi episodes either. TNG quickly realized they weren't very good adversaries. DS9's genetic engineering line was so much weaker than the Khan episode on TOS.

Agreed, I really liked Armin Shimerman as Quark, but DS9 made them space Jews. (I did think 'The Magnificent Ferengi' was great) I loved the 'Section 31' episodes but I felt like Bashir was the shows insufferable character (every show had one, see Wesley, see Neelix) that said, compared to Wes and Neelix, he wasn't so bad. Seasons 3-7 were great. (I also like Babylon 5, but felt DS9 did a better job with roughly the same concept)

(07-06-2015 06:58 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 05:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 03:39 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 03:19 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 10:39 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I enjoyed the pilot for DS9 (it had Borg, Cardassians, a new species with the Bajorans, and the TNG cast for fun) and thought 'Duet' was the high point of season one...I also liked the 3 episode bajoran civil war arc at the start of season two, but my attention fell away after that...I remember watching 'Way of the Warrior' (start of season 3) and thinking 'now we're on to something'

DS9 matched TOS in its high points, but it had a bunch of silliness also. "The Visitor" (the son trying to get his father back) was great TV in any genre. It was up there with TOS "City on the Edge of Forever" with Joan Collins.

It's also the only Trek show to effectively capture the true sense of war in Trek...you'll never see episodes like "In The Pale Moonlight" or "The Siege of AR-558" from TNG or Voyager...

you also have Ron Moore's "love song to Star Trek" with "Trials and Tribble-ations"

It could even do an effective look at race relations with "Far Beyond the Stars"

I really believe DS9 is Trek at it's best.

Best AND Worst. TNG, Voyageur and ST-ENT never quite reached the level of TOS and DS9's best shows. None of the others had so many silly Ferengi episodes either. TNG quickly realized they weren't very good adversaries. DS9's genetic engineering line was so much weaker than the Khan episode on TOS.

Agreed, I really liked Armin Shimerman as Quark, but DS9 made them space Jews. (I did think 'The Magnificent Ferengi' was great) I loved the 'Section 31' episodes but I felt like Bashir was the shows insufferable character (every show had one, see Wesley, see Neelix) that said, compared to Wes and Neelix, he wasn't so bad. Seasons 3-7 were great. (I also like Babylon 5, but felt DS9 did a better job with roughly the same concept)

B5 only worked between seasons 2-4. I think the the loss of O'Hare due to his worsening mental health actually forced JMS to create a better series.

BTW, I don't know of another show that has had more of its key actors pass away like B5

A-team
Knight Rider
Dukes of Hazzard
Saved By The Bell
Cosby Show
Law & Order
CSI: Miami
Chappelle Show

(07-06-2015 04:28 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Did anybody watch Battlestar Galactica? I mean the original series? I used to watch that too, and liked it, though I was young then. Anyway, the Cylons were neat.

scarily, aye....top or bottom 5/10?...naw....however, dirk was the master puss hound, lorne was milking it at that point, and the ta-tas were stellar

(07-06-2015 05:32 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 05:20 PM)58-56 Wrote:  Game of Thrones. The massive nudity redeems all.
Deep Space Nine. The lunatic writing the script on his padded walls.
Rescue Me.
Vikings. It has Lagertha. If it had naked Lagertha it would be perfect.
The Banana Splits. You did say all time. At age 6 I lived for Saturday morning, 9 am.

fa-la-la, la-la-la-la, la-la-la, la-la-la-la

One banana, two banana, three banana, four ...

I remember being six years old back in 1968 and looking forward to The Banana Splits every Saturday morning.

Yall old. Lol. Sigmund snd the sea monster. HR puffenstuff. Earliest cracks in the foundation of society. Lol