(05-29-2015 04:50 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  UConn is the prettiest girl left on the dance floor.

Whether or not U Conn is the prettiest girl, Big 12 isn't known for taking the prettiest girl.

(05-29-2015 05:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Maybe they should have somebody that represents the best interests of the fans, and who they would like to see in the conference? Many that I have seen posted all over the internet picked the schools in the G5 conference as logical targets for expansions. They know it will be hard to take schools out of the other P5 conferences. Most schools that I have seen that fans been talking about for expansion are?

No one is talking about most of the schools on that list for P5 expansion (except for some from the MWC or AAC)
These are universities first, and a lot of the schools on your list lack resources and are academic basket-cases. Many are in small markets, have minimal branding, and while they may have a good football team today, lack the resources to ensure that it will continue.

(05-29-2015 05:28 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 05:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 11:38 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 11:08 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 09:34 AM)lew240z Wrote:  I'd bet that all conferences have such a committee or at least discuss expansion and targets at conference meetings. It is in each conference's best interest to constantly evaluate how expansion would impact the conference, and which schools would be the best additions and, if they are available and at what price.

That's right.

Almost every college AD has a list of head coaches he'd want to go after if his current coach suddenly departed. The fact that Alabama's AD has a list doesn't mean that Saban is leaving tomorrow or next year or anytime in the next 10 years, it just means he wants to be ready in case something unexpected happens. The list is only relevant if Saban does leave unexpectedly.

But, if we did see that hypothetical list of Alabama candidates, we'd talk about it endlessly here, even though the chances are very low that Saban would leave anytime soon. And the same is true about a hypothetical list of Big 12 candidates.

Yeah, it's called "planning." Had a full-time faculty member die unexpectedly two years ago. How it was handled became a running joke of sorts in the office. "That's too bad" was immediately followed by "who covers their classes," and then calling replacements and subs. Telling their colleagues one of their own passed was the preface for the real reason the calls were made: covering the classes.

This isn't some secret cabal. There are probably twenty-one people who only really matter that can discuss things in the Big XII: Bowlsby, the ten presidents, and their ADs, and really, it's only ten who get to really decide the big things with a commissioner being a mouthpiece. Ten people discussing any number of items, and these are the presidents of universities? Follow the rabbit hole of how time is budgeted, where athletics factor into that, and where conference expansion is thereafter, and I'm going to bet that while the committee exists, what it really does on the topic, it isn't much. I'd wager "the work" is mostly an email thread with a ton of replies and forwards. Some big secret, if true, you know?

Maybe they should have somebody that represents the best interests of the fans, and who they would like to see in the conference? Many that I have seen posted all over the internet picked the schools in the G5 conference as logical targets for expansions. They know it will be hard to take schools out of the other P5 conferences. Most schools that I have seen that fans been talking about for expansion are?

Memphis
Houston
SMU
La.-Monroe
Boise State
Eastern Washington
North Dakota State
East Carolina
Colorado State
Air Force
Fresno State
Hawaii
San Diego State
Navy
Northern Illinois
Ohio U.
Toledo
Georgia Southern
UCF
USF
La.-Lafayette
Arkansas State
Missouri State
Wichita State
VCU

There are many fans been saying no to the likes of U. Conn., Tulane, Rice and some others. Just my observation.

Louisiana-Monroe and Toledo over UConn, Tulane, and Rice.

My dog wouldn't make that mistake.

Baylor fans want La.-Monroe, and not U. Conn. I am sorry, but U. Conn. is not on the Big 12's radar at all. Just some wishful thinking on some people on this forum. They are too far away from everybody. U. Conn.'s best bet is either ACC or the Big 10.

(05-30-2015 01:17 AM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 05:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Maybe they should have somebody that represents the best interests of the fans, and who they would like to see in the conference? Many that I have seen posted all over the internet picked the schools in the G5 conference as logical targets for expansions. They know it will be hard to take schools out of the other P5 conferences. Most schools that I have seen that fans been talking about for expansion are?

No one is talking about most of the schools on that list for P5 expansion (except for some from the MWC or AAC)
These are universities first, and a lot of the schools on your list lack resources and are academic basket-cases. Many are in small markets, have minimal branding, and while they may have a good football team today, lack the resources to ensure that it will continue.

Boise State, Northern Illinois and Arkansas State are sure winning. And so have North Dakota State and Eastern Washington. Even East Carolina is racking up the wins. What you just posted is the exact opposite of what is going on with these teams since they are keeping up with the P5 schools with talent and wins.

(05-29-2015 10:12 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 06:36 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 04:50 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  UConn is the prettiest girl left on the dance floor.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, friend...

^^^Exhibit A in my not giving the haters any more ammo. Sadly UCONN-SMU didn't get that memo.

I'm sorry, not eveyone's drinking the Husky Kool-Aid. I know you think UConn's the best option, and for perhaps the ACC or the B1G should either be looking for a program, they are. For the BigXII however, you're too much of a geographical outlier.

As far as athletics go, when it comes to the things that matter, you're a one trick pony. You've got some solid basketball (though, one has to question whether you can maintain momentum without Calhoun's recruits), and sure you're good at Women's basketball and a host of other sports nobody's really watching....but when it comes to football, you're not just bad, you're flat out AWFUL. In short: You're not worth it to the BigXII to gamble on taking another geographical outlier like they did with WVU who had solid basketball and football at the time.

Cincinnati would offer a football program that's had and maintained a fair level of success for more than a handful of years. They offer good if not great basketball. Memphis has an up and coming football program that the school's investing in + solid basketball. BOTH would better fit the BigXII's geography in terms of building a bridge to WVU and BOTH offer decent TV markets to boot.

Beauty friend, is in the eye of the beholder...and I can't see UConn being all that attractive to the BigXII. Sorry if that doesn't suit your fantasy world of UConn being the Alpha and Omega of college athletics.

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(05-30-2015 07:56 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 10:12 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 06:36 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 04:50 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  UConn is the prettiest girl left on the dance floor.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, friend...

^^^Exhibit A in my not giving the haters any more ammo. Sadly UCONN-SMU didn't get that memo.

I'm sorry, not eveyone's drinking the Husky Kool-Aid. I know you think UConn's the best option, and for perhaps the ACC or the B1G should either be looking for a program, they are. For the BigXII however, you're too much of a geographical outlier.

As far as athletics go, when it comes to the things that matter, you're a one trick pony. You've got some solid basketball (though, one has to question whether you can maintain momentum without Calhoun's recruits), and sure you're good at Women's basketball and a host of other sports nobody's really watching....but when it comes to football, you're not just bad, you're flat out AWFUL. In short: You're not worth it to the BigXII to gamble on taking another geographical outlier like they did with WVU who had solid basketball and football at the time.

Cincinnati would offer a football program that's had and maintained a fair level of success for more than a handful of years. They offer good if not great basketball. Memphis has an up and coming football program that the school's investing in + solid basketball. BOTH would better fit the BigXII's geography in terms of building a bridge to WVU and BOTH offer decent TV markets to boot.

Beauty friend, is in the eye of the beholder...and I can't see UConn being all that attractive to the BigXII. Sorry if that doesn't suit your fantasy world of UConn being the Alpha and Omega of college athletics.

Meanwhile, until UConn fans stop being so damned full of themselves: I'm going to continue to enjoy trolling the hell out of you guys.

preach it

(05-29-2015 11:49 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 11:38 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 11:08 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 09:34 AM)lew240z Wrote:  I'd bet that all conferences have such a committee or at least discuss expansion and targets at conference meetings. It is in each conference's best interest to constantly evaluate how expansion would impact the conference, and which schools would be the best additions and, if they are available and at what price.

That's right.

Almost every college AD has a list of head coaches he'd want to go after if his current coach suddenly departed. The fact that Alabama's AD has a list doesn't mean that Saban is leaving tomorrow or next year or anytime in the next 10 years, it just means he wants to be ready in case something unexpected happens. The list is only relevant if Saban does leave unexpectedly.

But, if we did see that hypothetical list of Alabama candidates, we'd talk about it endlessly here, even though the chances are very low that Saban would leave anytime soon. And the same is true about a hypothetical list of Big 12 candidates.

Yeah, it's called "planning." Had a full-time faculty member die unexpectedly two years ago. How it was handled became a running joke of sorts in the office. "That's too bad" was immediately followed by "who covers their classes," and then calling replacements and subs. Telling their colleagues one of their own passed was the preface for the real reason the calls were made: covering the classes.

This isn't some secret cabal. There are probably twenty-one people who only really matter that can discuss things in the Big XII: Bowlsby, the ten presidents, and their ADs, and really, it's only ten who get to really decide the big things with a commissioner being a mouthpiece. Ten people discussing any number of items, and these are the presidents of universities? Follow the rabbit hole of how time is budgeted, where athletics factor into that, and where conference expansion is thereafter, and I'm going to bet that while the committee exists, what it really does on the topic, it isn't much. I'd wager "the work" is mostly an email thread with a ton of replies and forwards. Some big secret, if true, you know?

Emails would provide documentation that could eventually prove messy. "The work" may more likely be discreet conversations over cocktails. Besides, that's a win-win - even if nothing else productive occurs, the cocktails still get consumed.

But I fully agree with the notion that everyone involved is likely putting in some time and due diligence on the subject - both the schools and conference office on the behalf of the conference, as well as individual schools working internally to review the situation in terms of their own individual interests.

Just because FoIA and ORAs are out there doesn't mean getting this stuff is that easy. Just making the request and pointing it toward the proper channel is discouraging and complex enough, and there are other potential blockages along the way.

I'd wager this is done by emails and sporadic conference calls. Maybe this goes off into personal/non-institutionally-generated accounts, but that's about as "secret" as it gets. Phone calls blur things enough.

BIG12 should add two of the below
BYU for Football only...
Cincy in all....
NIU in all


AFA,Houston & Memphis interesting to look at

Thank you to Gray Grantham · Show Low, Arizona....Makes to much sense!!!

Gray: "For supposedly being educated people the Presidents and ADs of the Big 12 sure are acting clueless. Ohio State and Baylor both lost games to teams they probably should have both beaten easily. So what is the big difference between Baylor and Ohio State (2014-15)?

The College Football Playoff is all about competition. 4 of the 5 Power conferences have a CCG, the Big 12 does not. A sane rational person simply cannot ignore the human nature side of Committee Members (who are for the most part from the other 4 power conferences) questioning the Big 12's right to be on the same playing field with conferences who have upped the ante on the Big 12 by holding a CCG while the Big 12 tries to "game the system" by not putting their potential conference champions at risk in a defacto elimination game as the other 4 conferences do.

So, Big 12 Fans, don't expect to see a Big 12 team in the College Football Playoff anytime soon. AS long as the Big 12 continues to "game the system", it isn't going to happen.

The Big 12 says they need "more data points" to see if they are at a disadvantage. So here are 3 data points they have obviously failed to take note of. During Championship Weekend TCU was ranked #3 in the CFP Committee rankings. After easily defeating Iowa State they dropped to #6 (I'd count that as 3 data points). That cannot happen without a hidden agenda across the board in the committee room. But once again the Big 12 Presidents and ADs are heads down in the sand and say "we haven't seen any indication that this is an issue" The Big 12 is apparently oblivious to the overwhelming evidence that they have made themselves the target of hidden agenda and they are too arrogant or egotistical to see it or believe it."

Spot on GTFletch...

NIU is fresh off their third conference championship in four years and their fifth-straight division title. The largest media market the Big XII impacts is Dallas (fifth-largest), and the conference contains two iconic national programs in Texas football and Kansas basketball. NIU sits 60 minutes west of the nation's third-largest media market, which holds the largest alumni base of any university.

That means there are two spots up for grabs, and Cincinnati seems like a lock for the first slot. Programs like Memphis, BYU and Houston all make sense, but if the Big XII wishes to broaden their stroke considerably, both financially and in popularity. Chicago provides the most interesting nut in college sports that has never fully been cracked. And NIU is the only way in.

NIU is going to expand their stadium, if BIG 12 comes calling they can go to 42,000, if the AAC offers an invite they can go to 35K, if CUSA offers them they can go to 30K.

http://usofarn.com/2014/11/01/niu-planni...l-stadium/

So it appears NIU will be leaving the MAC but where they land depends on how bad the BIG 12 wants a piece of the Chicago market!

(05-30-2015 09:34 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  NIU is fresh off their third conference championship in four years and their fifth-straight division title. The largest media market the Big XII impacts is Dallas (fifth-largest), and the conference contains two iconic national programs in Texas football and Kansas basketball. NIU sits 60 minutes west of the nation's third-largest media market, which holds the largest alumni base of any university.

That means there are two spots up for grabs, and Cincinnati seems like a lock for the first slot. Programs like Memphis, BYU and Houston all make sense, but if the Big XII wishes to broaden their stroke considerably, both financially and in popularity. Chicago provides the most interesting nut in college sports that has never fully been cracked. And NIU is the only way in.

NIU is going to expand their stadium, if BIG 12 comes calling they can go to 42,000, if the AAC offers an invite they can go to 35K, if CUSA offers them they can go to 30K.

http://usofarn.com/2014/11/01/niu-planni...l-stadium/

So it appears NIU will be leaving the MAC but where they land depends on how bad the BIG 12 wants a piece of the Chicago market!

Perhaps if NIU wasn't in the MAC their recent record would not look so good (do you think they would be as successful in the AAC or MWC?) I don't think just because they are an hour outside of Chicago it can be argued they carry that market, particularly when they have poor attendance at their own games. In my view in order for NIU to have a chance at a P-5 invite they need to get out of the MAC and show their worth against better competition. I think any P-5 invites will come from the AAC or MWC, with the AAC having the advantage by virtue of the B-12 commissioner's comment about looking East. Can you imagine the hit the B-12 would take in the national media if they invited a school out of the MAC (think back to the AAC's invite of Tulane).

(05-30-2015 09:52 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 09:34 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  NIU is fresh off their third conference championship in four years and their fifth-straight division title. The largest media market the Big XII impacts is Dallas (fifth-largest), and the conference contains two iconic national programs in Texas football and Kansas basketball. NIU sits 60 minutes west of the nation's third-largest media market, which holds the largest alumni base of any university.

That means there are two spots up for grabs, and Cincinnati seems like a lock for the first slot. Programs like Memphis, BYU and Houston all make sense, but if the Big XII wishes to broaden their stroke considerably, both financially and in popularity. Chicago provides the most interesting nut in college sports that has never fully been cracked. And NIU is the only way in.

NIU is going to expand their stadium, if BIG 12 comes calling they can go to 42,000, if the AAC offers an invite they can go to 35K, if CUSA offers them they can go to 30K.

http://usofarn.com/2014/11/01/niu-planni...l-stadium/

So it appears NIU will be leaving the MAC but where they land depends on how bad the BIG 12 wants a piece of the Chicago market!

Perhaps if NIU wasn't in the MAC their recent record would not look so good (do you think they would be as successful in the AAC or MWC?) I don't think just because they are an hour outside of Chicago it can be argued they carry that market, particularly when they have poor attendance at their own games. In my view in order for NIU to have a chance at a P-5 invite they need to get out of the MAC and show their worth against better competition. I think any P-5 invites will come from the AAC or MWC, with the AAC having the advantage by virtue of the B-12 commissioner's comment about looking East. Can you imagine the hit the B-12 would take in the national media if they invited a school out of the MAC (think back to the AAC's invite of Tulane).

IF TV market is not a concern to the BIG 12 then I guess you have a point....But do I think NIU can defeat Iowa State and Kansas in year one of BIG12 play...YES...DO I think they could hang with KSU and OSU yes!!

(05-30-2015 07:56 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 10:12 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 06:36 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 04:50 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  UConn is the prettiest girl left on the dance floor.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, friend...

^^^Exhibit A in my not giving the haters any more ammo. Sadly UCONN-SMU didn't get that memo.

I'm sorry, not eveyone's drinking the Husky Kool-Aid. I know you think UConn's the best option, and for perhaps the ACC or the B1G should either be looking for a program, they are. For the BigXII however, you're too much of a geographical outlier.

As far as athletics go, when it comes to the things that matter, you're a one trick pony. You've got some solid basketball (though, one has to question whether you can maintain momentum without Calhoun's recruits), and sure you're good at Women's basketball and a host of other sports nobody's really watching....but when it comes to football, you're not just bad, you're flat out AWFUL. In short: You're not worth it to the BigXII to gamble on taking another geographical outlier like they did with WVU who had solid basketball and football at the time.

Cincinnati would offer a football program that's had and maintained a fair level of success for more than a handful of years. They offer good if not great basketball. Memphis has an up and coming football program that the school's investing in + solid basketball. BOTH would better fit the BigXII's geography in terms of building a bridge to WVU and BOTH offer decent TV markets to boot.

Beauty friend, is in the eye of the beholder...and I can't see UConn being all that attractive to the BigXII. Sorry if that doesn't suit your fantasy world of UConn being the Alpha and Omega of college athletics.

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What a sad miserable life you lead when trolling UCONN is the highlight of your day. If UCONN was as unimportant as you claim, then you wouldn't spend every waking hour of your day thinking about them.

Also, if you think UCONN fans are full of themselves, you obviously haven't met a Louisville fan.

(05-30-2015 10:01 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 07:56 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 10:12 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 06:36 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 04:50 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  UConn is the prettiest girl left on the dance floor.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, friend...

^^^Exhibit A in my not giving the haters any more ammo. Sadly UCONN-SMU didn't get that memo.

I'm sorry, not eveyone's drinking the Husky Kool-Aid. I know you think UConn's the best option, and for perhaps the ACC or the B1G should either be looking for a program, they are. For the BigXII however, you're too much of a geographical outlier.

As far as athletics go, when it comes to the things that matter, you're a one trick pony. You've got some solid basketball (though, one has to question whether you can maintain momentum without Calhoun's recruits), and sure you're good at Women's basketball and a host of other sports nobody's really watching....but when it comes to football, you're not just bad, you're flat out AWFUL. In short: You're not worth it to the BigXII to gamble on taking another geographical outlier like they did with WVU who had solid basketball and football at the time.

Cincinnati would offer a football program that's had and maintained a fair level of success for more than a handful of years. They offer good if not great basketball. Memphis has an up and coming football program that the school's investing in + solid basketball. BOTH would better fit the BigXII's geography in terms of building a bridge to WVU and BOTH offer decent TV markets to boot.

Beauty friend, is in the eye of the beholder...and I can't see UConn being all that attractive to the BigXII. Sorry if that doesn't suit your fantasy world of UConn being the Alpha and Omega of college athletics.

Meanwhile, until UConn fans stop being so damned full of themselves: I'm going to continue to enjoy trolling the hell out of you guys.

What a sad miserable life you lead when trolling UCONN is the highlight of your day. If UCONN was as unimportant as you claim, then you wouldn't spend every waking hour of your day thinking about them.

Also, if you think UCONN fans are full of themselves, you obviously haven't met a Louisville fan.

Agreed and for the record UCONN is in the best conf for them...AAC!

(05-30-2015 09:52 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  Perhaps if NIU wasn't in the MAC their recent record would not look so good (do you think they would be as successful in the AAC or MWC?)

Good point. I recall Marshall doing an awful lot of winning in the MAC, but after joining C-USA, being considerably less than spectacular.

(05-30-2015 10:14 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 09:52 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  Perhaps if NIU wasn't in the MAC their recent record would not look so good (do you think they would be as successful in the AAC or MWC?)

Good point. I recall Marshall doing an awful lot of winning in the MAC, but after joining C-USA, being considerably less than spectacular.

Will be interesting... I do think NIU will get a look from the BIG12 because of the TV market..I also think NIU to CUSA to replace UAB makes a ton of sense, or to the AAC to replace Cincy is an great option for the AAC.... Can you imagine if the AAC lands NIU they will/could get a better TV deal and lead the other G5s by a country mile!!

What is NIU's average football attendance?

Why is their basketball so bad?

(05-30-2015 09:34 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  NIU is fresh off their third conference championship in four years and their fifth-straight division title. The largest media market the Big XII impacts is Dallas (fifth-largest), and the conference contains two iconic national programs in Texas football and Kansas basketball. NIU sits 60 minutes west of the nation's third-largest media market, which holds the largest alumni base of any university.

That means there are two spots up for grabs, and Cincinnati seems like a lock for the first slot. Programs like Memphis, BYU and Houston all make sense, but if the Big XII wishes to broaden their stroke considerably, both financially and in popularity. Chicago provides the most interesting nut in college sports that has never fully been cracked. And NIU is the only way in.

NIU is going to expand their stadium, if BIG 12 comes calling they can go to 42,000, if the AAC offers an invite they can go to 35K, if CUSA offers them they can go to 30K.

http://usofarn.com/2014/11/01/niu-planni...l-stadium/

So it appears NIU will be leaving the MAC but where they land depends on how bad the BIG 12 wants a piece of the Chicago market!

LOL this is just comical.

NIU averaged around 13k fans last season, but they are now going to expand their stadium to 42,000?

Once again, they average around 13k, but you are going to claim that they bring the Chicago market that is at least an hour away?

Their 3rd straight conference title and they got steam rolled in their bowl game by Marshall 52-23.

You know, the same Marshall that already has a stadium that holds over 41k. Yep, the same exact Marshall that averaged over twice as many fans as NIU last season.

This NIU talk is just flat out comical if you ask me.



Please note, I am not saying Marshall is a Big 12 candidate, WVU would never allow that to happen. I am just using this as a reference to show how goofy it is to mention NIU for P5 expansion.

(05-30-2015 10:14 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 09:52 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  Perhaps if NIU wasn't in the MAC their recent record would not look so good (do you think they would be as successful in the AAC or MWC?)

Good point. I recall Marshall doing an awful lot of winning in the MAC, but after joining C-USA, being considerably less than spectacular.

No doubt CUSA was, and still is a major step up from the MAC. The AAC and MWC is even further ahead of the MAC, there is no comparison.

Part of Marshall's problem in CUSA was our HC quit in the Spring, and we hired a coach with the exact opposite style of play.

Take those things into consideration with stepping up in competition, and it just wasn't a good scenario. We are still recovering from those dark years if you ask me.