Props are kids who are Partial or Non Qualifiers academically. Most of the P5s either have rules against taking them, or limits how many they can accept.

All of the G5s except for the AAC allow props, its up to the individual school as to whether they take them or not.

At Marshall, our coach has his own rule. We only take a couple each year, and they have to have one or the other when it comes to grades. Meaning they can have the GPA but lack the test score or vice versa. Once again, this is just our coaches rule here at Marshall.

As a Prop/NQ, the kids have to pay their own way to school that first year. They have to sit out and can not have any official contact with the team. If they finish the first year with good grades, then he/she can now participate with the team just like anyone else. Also, the coaches can award them scholarships after that first year, if they want to.

The year sitting out can also count as a RS year I'm pretty sure. Accepting props is a big advantage imo. We have athletes who have to choose between a junior college somewhere (usually where ever their preferred P5 school suggests) or they can come to Marshall, pay their own way, get used to the campus/surroundings, and be ready to participate after one year.

We have also signed a couple of big time recruits who got eligible at the last minute. AJ Legget, was a 4 star safety for us. Florida State didn't think he would get the test score so they backed off. We stayed on him, knowing he could come here as a prop for a year. He actually got the test score on his last attempt, so he didn't have to sit out. Then the poor guy gets hurt in camp and has to take a RS year anyways lol.

Hope this helps shed some light on the whole prop/non qualifiers.

(04-28-2015 08:05 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 08:09 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 07:55 PM)wh49er Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 01:43 PM)Usajags Wrote:  It only takes one school to deny CUSA for the perception to change. If South were to get an invite I would like to say I want them to decline. But it will take some coordination, and trust, of other conference schools that they too would decline an invite. Give me USM and the current SBC over what is in CUSA.

And then someone looks up the conference rankings for any major sport. Just like everyone in the G5, you have to focus on winning games and growing your respective school's fanbase.

It's about perception and CUSA is the next rung up the ladder.

And the perception of conference is much less important if the school is perceived as a winner. OOC wins and losses influence perceptions.

Agreed...individual programs improve...win some you're not supposed to win, and we change the perception of the conference.

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(04-28-2015 11:03 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 08:05 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 08:09 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 07:55 PM)wh49er Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 01:43 PM)Usajags Wrote:  It only takes one school to deny CUSA for the perception to change. If South were to get an invite I would like to say I want them to decline. But it will take some coordination, and trust, of other conference schools that they too would decline an invite. Give me USM and the current SBC over what is in CUSA.

And then someone looks up the conference rankings for any major sport. Just like everyone in the G5, you have to focus on winning games and growing your respective school's fanbase.

It's about perception and CUSA is the next rung up the ladder.

And the perception of conference is much less important if the school is perceived as a winner. OOC wins and losses influence perceptions.

Agreed...individual programs improve...win some you're not supposed to win, and we change the perception of the conference.

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Unfortunately the SBCs OOC games last year did no favors in regards to changing perception. It's the reason we were the worst G5.

(04-28-2015 11:46 AM)GeauxUL Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 11:03 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 08:05 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 08:09 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 07:55 PM)wh49er Wrote:  And then someone looks up the conference rankings for any major sport. Just like everyone in the G5, you have to focus on winning games and growing your respective school's fanbase.

It's about perception and CUSA is the next rung up the ladder.

And the perception of conference is much less important if the school is perceived as a winner. OOC wins and losses influence perceptions.

Agreed...individual programs improve...win some you're not supposed to win, and we change the perception of the conference.

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Unfortunately the SBCs OOC games last year did no favors in regards to changing perception. It's the reason we were the worst G5.

What's done is done...would you expect people to talk about last season or when the SBC was statistically the best conference? Neither scenario will count for anything going into a new season.

It does say to me that this conference has the potential to be better than it showed last year. I don't really care what people think of this conference before a game, just whether or not the end result advances the conference monetarily.

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(04-27-2015 02:54 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 02:27 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 10:48 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 09:08 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 08:09 PM)panama Wrote:  It's about perception and CUSA is the next rung up the ladder.

You can bow down and kiss coosa's ring, but I'm glad we have current ADs that won't.

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Nobody is kissing any ring. But your either happy,where you're at or not. And where you are is the number 11 football conference and number 20 or so MBB conference.

Numbers are fluid...this country is full of get-rich-quick and not much shoulder-to-the-grindstone. The potential of this conference is tied to stability. We'll see how those numbers shake out this season, as opposed to the last. What guarantees can be given that coosa be a step up instead of a sidestep? Does perception lead that as well?

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As long as we have this TV contract vs their TV contract
As long as we are ranked last in football more times than not.
As long as MBB is a one bid league ranked in the 20's

...they will be viewed as a step up and nobody will say no.

Exactly. The Sun Belt Conference has a reality problem that is based on performance issues in football and basketball that lead to a bad TV contract and poor TV exposure.

I think the MWC is a good conference to model after. I don't see CUSA as anything special, but I can understand why a school would leave the Sun Belt for CUSA.

In looking at a seven round NFL mock draft from a scouting service that I subscribe to, the SBC had two players getting drafted. The perception is that the SBC does not have much talent. To fix the conference problems the talent needs to get better.

(04-28-2015 04:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 02:54 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 02:27 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 10:48 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 09:08 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  You can bow down and kiss coosa's ring, but I'm glad we have current ADs that won't.

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Nobody is kissing any ring. But your either happy,where you're at or not. And where you are is the number 11 football conference and number 20 or so MBB conference.

Numbers are fluid...this country is full of get-rich-quick and not much shoulder-to-the-grindstone. The potential of this conference is tied to stability. We'll see how those numbers shake out this season, as opposed to the last. What guarantees can be given that coosa be a step up instead of a sidestep? Does perception lead that as well?

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As long as we have this TV contract vs their TV contract
As long as we are ranked last in football more times than not.
As long as MBB is a one bid league ranked in the 20's

...they will be viewed as a step up and nobody will say no.

Exactly. The Sun Belt Conference has a reality problem that is based on performance issues in football and basketball that lead to a bad TV contract and poor TV exposure.

I think the MWC is a good conference to model after. I don't see CUSA as anything special, but I can understand why a school would leave the Sun Belt for CUSA.

In looking at a seven round NFL mock draft from a scouting service that I subscribe to, the SBC had two players getting drafted. The perception is that the SBC does not have much talent. To fix the conference problems the talent needs to get better.

well cusa does still have a couple of long time name schools like rice and to some extent utep and somiss and marshall is not too bad. I dont see any step up in the rest and a couple are actually below sbc in my view.

(04-28-2015 04:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 02:54 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 02:27 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 10:48 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 09:08 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  You can bow down and kiss coosa's ring, but I'm glad we have current ADs that won't.

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Nobody is kissing any ring. But your either happy,where you're at or not. And where you are is the number 11 football conference and number 20 or so MBB conference.

Numbers are fluid...this country is full of get-rich-quick and not much shoulder-to-the-grindstone. The potential of this conference is tied to stability. We'll see how those numbers shake out this season, as opposed to the last. What guarantees can be given that coosa be a step up instead of a sidestep? Does perception lead that as well?

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As long as we have this TV contract vs their TV contract
As long as we are ranked last in football more times than not.
As long as MBB is a one bid league ranked in the 20's

...they will be viewed as a step up and nobody will say no.

Exactly. The Sun Belt Conference has a reality problem that is based on performance issues in football and basketball that lead to a bad TV contract and poor TV exposure.

I think the MWC is a good conference to model after. I don't see CUSA as anything special, but I can understand why a school would leave the Sun Belt for CUSA.

In looking at a seven round NFL mock draft from a scouting service that I subscribe to, the SBC had two players getting drafted. The perception is that the SBC does not have much talent. To fix the conference problems the talent needs to get better.

Judging college talent from the NFL draft is misguided. The P5 schools will always have more NFL draft picks - again because of perception (how many Heisman winners were NFL busts?) - a coach's ability to motivate his players and implement appropriate schemes and techniques will often result in the more "talented" team losing.

The most undersized team in the 2014 SBC went 8-0 and it also wasn't the most "talented".

(04-28-2015 08:22 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  The most undersized team in the 2014 SBC went 8-0 and it also wasn't the most "talented".

The most talented team in the Sun Belt was stAte.

Don't believe me? Just ask that one guy who runs his mouth constantly about that.

(04-28-2015 05:27 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 04:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 02:54 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 02:27 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 10:48 PM)panama Wrote:  Nobody is kissing any ring. But your either happy,where you're at or not. And where you are is the number 11 football conference and number 20 or so MBB conference.

Numbers are fluid...this country is full of get-rich-quick and not much shoulder-to-the-grindstone. The potential of this conference is tied to stability. We'll see how those numbers shake out this season, as opposed to the last. What guarantees can be given that coosa be a step up instead of a sidestep? Does perception lead that as well?

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As long as we have this TV contract vs their TV contract
As long as we are ranked last in football more times than not.
As long as MBB is a one bid league ranked in the 20's

...they will be viewed as a step up and nobody will say no.

Exactly. The Sun Belt Conference has a reality problem that is based on performance issues in football and basketball that lead to a bad TV contract and poor TV exposure.

I think the MWC is a good conference to model after. I don't see CUSA as anything special, but I can understand why a school would leave the Sun Belt for CUSA.

In looking at a seven round NFL mock draft from a scouting service that I subscribe to, the SBC had two players getting drafted. The perception is that the SBC does not have much talent. To fix the conference problems the talent needs to get better.

well cusa does still have a couple of long time name schools like rice and to some extent utep and somiss and marshall is not too bad. I dont see any step up in the rest and a couple are actually below sbc in my view.

I've watched 2 of those 4 fall to the Trojans ...there's no doubt that they're all beatable.

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(04-28-2015 08:22 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 04:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 02:54 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 02:27 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 10:48 PM)panama Wrote:  Nobody is kissing any ring. But your either happy,where you're at or not. And where you are is the number 11 football conference and number 20 or so MBB conference.

Numbers are fluid...this country is full of get-rich-quick and not much shoulder-to-the-grindstone. The potential of this conference is tied to stability. We'll see how those numbers shake out this season, as opposed to the last. What guarantees can be given that coosa be a step up instead of a sidestep? Does perception lead that as well?

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As long as we have this TV contract vs their TV contract
As long as we are ranked last in football more times than not.
As long as MBB is a one bid league ranked in the 20's

...they will be viewed as a step up and nobody will say no.

Exactly. The Sun Belt Conference has a reality problem that is based on performance issues in football and basketball that lead to a bad TV contract and poor TV exposure.

I think the MWC is a good conference to model after. I don't see CUSA as anything special, but I can understand why a school would leave the Sun Belt for CUSA.

In looking at a seven round NFL mock draft from a scouting service that I subscribe to, the SBC had two players getting drafted. The perception is that the SBC does not have much talent. To fix the conference problems the talent needs to get better.

Judging college talent from the NFL draft is misguided. The P5 schools will always have more NFL draft picks - again because of perception (how many Heisman winners were NFL busts?) - a coach's ability to motivate his players and implement appropriate schemes and techniques will often result in the more "talented" team losing.

The most undersized team in the 2014 SBC went 8-0 and it also wasn't the most "talented".

It is not perception it is reality. The P5 schools have more draft picks because they have more talent. We don't need to pretend that we have as much talent as the SEC or Pac-12. The SBC does not have the same talent that the MWC or AAC produces. There will always be draft busts...that does not close the talent gap.

(04-28-2015 09:35 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 08:22 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 04:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 02:54 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 02:27 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  Numbers are fluid...this country is full of get-rich-quick and not much shoulder-to-the-grindstone. The potential of this conference is tied to stability. We'll see how those numbers shake out this season, as opposed to the last. What guarantees can be given that coosa be a step up instead of a sidestep? Does perception lead that as well?

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As long as we have this TV contract vs their TV contract
As long as we are ranked last in football more times than not.
As long as MBB is a one bid league ranked in the 20's

...they will be viewed as a step up and nobody will say no.

Exactly. The Sun Belt Conference has a reality problem that is based on performance issues in football and basketball that lead to a bad TV contract and poor TV exposure.

I think the MWC is a good conference to model after. I don't see CUSA as anything special, but I can understand why a school would leave the Sun Belt for CUSA.

In looking at a seven round NFL mock draft from a scouting service that I subscribe to, the SBC had two players getting drafted. The perception is that the SBC does not have much talent. To fix the conference problems the talent needs to get better.

Judging college talent from the NFL draft is misguided. The P5 schools will always have more NFL draft picks - again because of perception (how many Heisman winners were NFL busts?) - a coach's ability to motivate his players and implement appropriate schemes and techniques will often result in the more "talented" team losing.

The most undersized team in the 2014 SBC went 8-0 and it also wasn't the most "talented".

It is not perception it is reality. The P5 schools have more draft picks because they have more talent. We don't need to pretend that we have as much talent as the SEC or Pac-12. The SBC does not have the same talent that the MWC or AAC produces. There will always be draft busts...that does not close the talent gap.

We have guys that have the same level talent, we just don't have the depth. That's why you see so many G5's hang for a while then it's gets ugly at the end... Lots of P5's go 2 and 3 deep with our talent level... We usually just have the starters then the drop off is in depth. Your starters keep games close but either get tired from having to play every snap or your depth chart gets beat in the end. There are different variables and tangibles that translate to NFL and it's mostly size. There are only so many roster spots in the NFL.

(04-28-2015 09:52 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  We have guys that have the same level talent, we just don't have the depth. That's why you see so many G5's hang for a while then it's gets ugly at the end... Lots of P5's go 2 and 3 deep with our talent level... We usually just have the starters then the drop off is in depth. Your starters keep games close but either get tired from having to play every snap or your depth chart gets beat in the end. There are different variables and tangibles that translate to NFL and it's mostly size. There are only so many roster spots in the NFL.

No, it is not the same. LSU had nine players drafted in 2013 and nine players in 2014. UL had none in both drafts. It has nothing to do with roster spots in the NFL or size or different variables. It has everything to do with talent.

Start a new thread about what to do when it actually happens.

(04-28-2015 11:02 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 09:52 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  We have guys that have the same level talent, we just don't have the depth. That's why you see so many G5's hang for a while then it's gets ugly at the end... Lots of P5's go 2 and 3 deep with our talent level... We usually just have the starters then the drop off is in depth. Your starters keep games close but either get tired from having to play every snap or your depth chart gets beat in the end. There are different variables and tangibles that translate to NFL and it's mostly size. There are only so many roster spots in the NFL.

No, it is not the same. LSU had nine players drafted in 2013 and nine players in 2014. UL had none in both drafts. It has nothing to do with roster spots in the NFL or size or different variables. It has everything to do with talent.

And if I'm a GM who gets fired if I make mistakes, I'm gonna hedge my bets and go with the guy who is the safer pick... If you draft an lsu player and he is marginal you aren't getting fired, you draft a high pick from UL... He better be the next demarcus ware or you will be an idiot. We see it all the time, P5 transfer players that come here because of grades or off field issues and they struggle to start and often end up back ups. If I'm drafting someone and they are about the same, I'm gonna take the 6'4 310 lb guy all day over the 6'0 300 lb guy. It's more about safer picks and feeding the money system that is football... Like they do with everything else. Charles Tillman, Ike Taylor... Those guys played for us when we had 4 wins in 3 years. Ladarius green, bill Bentley, mike Adams and that's just cajuns. G5 has guys just as talented... The P5's just have 50 of them... It's depth. Lsu and bama are the 2 most extreme examples, certainly not the norm or the majority, good thing we don't all play them twice a season as our OOC.

Using the NFL draft to grade talent is a futile endeavor.

Some of the best college QBs ever didn't even get drafted or washed out. Did their talent suddenly become crap after one fateful day in April? No. It's a different style of game that meant they were ill suited.

Getting players drafted helps to get you recognized by the population at large, but it isn't a great overall talent evaluation tool.

(04-29-2015 08:46 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Using the NFL draft to grade talent is a futile endeavor.

Some of the best college QBs ever didn't even get drafted or washed out. Did their talent suddenly become crap after one fateful day in April? No. It's a different style of game that meant they were ill suited.

Getting players drafted helps to get you recognized by the population at large, but it isn't a great overall talent evaluation tool.

Exactly, only certain skill sets translate to the next level.

(04-28-2015 09:52 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 09:35 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 08:22 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 04:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 02:54 PM)panama Wrote:  As long as we have this TV contract vs their TV contract
As long as we are ranked last in football more times than not.
As long as MBB is a one bid league ranked in the 20's

...they will be viewed as a step up and nobody will say no.

Exactly. The Sun Belt Conference has a reality problem that is based on performance issues in football and basketball that lead to a bad TV contract and poor TV exposure.

I think the MWC is a good conference to model after. I don't see CUSA as anything special, but I can understand why a school would leave the Sun Belt for CUSA.

In looking at a seven round NFL mock draft from a scouting service that I subscribe to, the SBC had two players getting drafted. The perception is that the SBC does not have much talent. To fix the conference problems the talent needs to get better.

Judging college talent from the NFL draft is misguided. The P5 schools will always have more NFL draft picks - again because of perception (how many Heisman winners were NFL busts?) - a coach's ability to motivate his players and implement appropriate schemes and techniques will often result in the more "talented" team losing.

The most undersized team in the 2014 SBC went 8-0 and it also wasn't the most "talented".

It is not perception it is reality. The P5 schools have more draft picks because they have more talent. We don't need to pretend that we have as much talent as the SEC or Pac-12. The SBC does not have the same talent that the MWC or AAC produces. There will always be draft busts...that does not close the talent gap.

We have guys that have the same level talent, we just don't have the depth. That's why you see so many G5's hang for a while then it's gets ugly at the end... Lots of P5's go 2 and 3 deep with our talent level... We usually just have the starters then the drop off is in depth. Your starters keep games close but either get tired from having to play every snap or your depth chart gets beat in the end. There are different variables and tangibles that translate to NFL and it's mostly size. There are only so many roster spots in the NFL.

You been to too many coach luncheons. Non P5 teams rarely hang in there for more than a series or two, and rarely have the level of athletes of a typical P5 starting. Of course every now and then you get a good G5 team like LTU R three seasons ago who also happens to have had a bunch of really bad P5 teams on their schedule.

(04-29-2015 09:20 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 09:52 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 09:35 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 08:22 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 04:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Exactly. The Sun Belt Conference has a reality problem that is based on performance issues in football and basketball that lead to a bad TV contract and poor TV exposure.

I think the MWC is a good conference to model after. I don't see CUSA as anything special, but I can understand why a school would leave the Sun Belt for CUSA.

In looking at a seven round NFL mock draft from a scouting service that I subscribe to, the SBC had two players getting drafted. The perception is that the SBC does not have much talent. To fix the conference problems the talent needs to get better.

Judging college talent from the NFL draft is misguided. The P5 schools will always have more NFL draft picks - again because of perception (how many Heisman winners were NFL busts?) - a coach's ability to motivate his players and implement appropriate schemes and techniques will often result in the more "talented" team losing.

The most undersized team in the 2014 SBC went 8-0 and it also wasn't the most "talented".

It is not perception it is reality. The P5 schools have more draft picks because they have more talent. We don't need to pretend that we have as much talent as the SEC or Pac-12. The SBC does not have the same talent that the MWC or AAC produces. There will always be draft busts...that does not close the talent gap.

We have guys that have the same level talent, we just don't have the depth. That's why you see so many G5's hang for a while then it's gets ugly at the end... Lots of P5's go 2 and 3 deep with our talent level... We usually just have the starters then the drop off is in depth. Your starters keep games close but either get tired from having to play every snap or your depth chart gets beat in the end. There are different variables and tangibles that translate to NFL and it's mostly size. There are only so many roster spots in the NFL.

You been to too many coach luncheons. Non P5 teams rarely hang in there for more than a series or two, and rarely have the level of athletes of a typical P5 starting. Of course every now and then you get a good G5 team like LTU R three seasons ago who also happens to have had a bunch of really bad P5 teams on their schedule.

You watch espn too much... Wake forest, duke, Maryland, northwestern, Iowa state, kansas, Purdue, Indiana, Kentucky, Vandy, UT, South Carolina, Rutgers,.cincy , Colorado, csu, you just listen to what the talking heads on espn say. The lsu, bama, Ohio state, oregon are the haves of the haves. We are closer to the majority of P5's than you realize... Nobody talks about those P5's or the G5's. Nothing to do with coaches luncheons... I'm not blind.

Yea I know we are closer to lower P5 than you think I think. UL is not the SBC it has been a top three SBC team for four straight years. You cannot list the weaklings of the P5 without also listing the weaklings of the G5.

So our top tier teams might go .500 vs their bottom tier teams. Now as to your view that I watch too much ESPN, ain't true except for that damned bottom line thing. You know the one we show up about once an hour because none of our teams are top 25.

(04-29-2015 09:39 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  Yea I know we are closer to lower P5 than you think I think. UL is not the SBC it has been a top three SBC team for four straight years. You cannot list the weaklings of the P5 without also listing the weaklings of the G5.

So our top tier teams might go .500 vs their bottom tier teams. Now as to your view that I watch too much ESPN, ain't true except for that damned bottom line thing. You know the one we show up about once an hour because none of our teams are top 25.

Ok bruh... You are right, our guys shoukd all quit and volunteer to carry those guys pads. They are all super human and ours are a sub par species. I'm surprised they even allow our guys to take part in their sport. Being ranked in the top 25 is being ranked in their money system. If the mid level P5 would actually schedule games against the upper G5 you would see... But they don't because they know what the outcome would be.