We now know where the scholarship for the JUCO forward is coming from.

So is Brady to blame for a guy leaving school to take a record deal? I thought it was a joke at first but it seems legit. Good for Hall- I don't claim to know him as a young man but he seemed a little different in terms of demeanor- I guess music was his passion not hoops.

(04-06-2015 11:58 AM)Whitdragn Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 11:54 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  Sounds like a great decision to me if you don't want to be in school. Does this affect our APR now or in 5 years if he has not graduated from somewhere.

It will affect it now, UNLESS he's pursuing it due to financial hardship and even if that were true I have no idea if the NCAA would allow for an adjustment. Time will tell. If he enrolls/graduates down the road we could get the point back but it would be a bonus at that time.

That's effing ridiculous. So a kid realizes he's perhaps not cut out to to be a college student, or doesn't like the school for whatever reason, OR decides he/she wants to start a computer company (or rap label) in his folks garage with the help of a friend, and JMU Mbball gets punished?!?

What damn sense does that make? I transfered cause I hated school 1. Was the decision to ge there the Schools fault or mine?

Makes ZERO sense.

(04-06-2015 12:55 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 11:58 AM)Whitdragn Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 11:54 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  Sounds like a great decision to me if you don't want to be in school. Does this affect our APR now or in 5 years if he has not graduated from somewhere.

It will affect it now, UNLESS he's pursuing it due to financial hardship and even if that were true I have no idea if the NCAA would allow for an adjustment. Time will tell. If he enrolls/graduates down the road we could get the point back but it would be a bonus at that time.

That's effing ridiculous. So a kid realizes he's perhaps not cut out to to be a college student, or doesn't like the school for whatever reason, OR decides he/she wants to start a computer company (or rap label) in his folks garage with the help of a friend, and JMU Mbball gets punished?!?

What damn sense does that make? I transfered cause I hated school 1. Was the decision to ge there the Schools fault or mine?

Makes ZERO sense.

There's no punishment until it becomes a pattern. When it happens to 1/3 of your players, then yeah...the school gets punished, whether it's for a record deal or wanna move closer to home.

no wonder he didn't play after his "concussion", prob had one foot out the door.

I'm a novice when it comes to APR compliance, so forgive the naivete in my questioning...

But how the heck does Kentucky manage to stay eligible? They seem to reload their starting 5 every year, and I doubt that those guys that go to the NBA are getting degrees after they leave.

Can someone help me on this?

(04-06-2015 01:24 PM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  I'm a novice when it comes to APR compliance, so forgive the naivete in my questioning...

But how the heck does Kentucky manage to stay eligible? They seem to reload their starting 5 every year, and I doubt that those guys that go to the NBA are getting degrees after they leave.

Can someone help me on this?

This...

(04-06-2015 01:31 PM)jmusuperfan Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 01:24 PM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  I'm a novice when it comes to APR compliance, so forgive the naivete in my questioning...

But how the heck does Kentucky manage to stay eligible? They seem to reload their starting 5 every year, and I doubt that those guys that go to the NBA are getting degrees after they leave.

Can someone help me on this?

This...

Reading a little bit more into the criteria, it seems a big key is whether Hall is academically eligible to compete. If he is and decided to leave school after the academic year ended, then the program will not get dinged.

Applying the situation to Nation, I am wondering if the decision to carry Andre on the team into the second semester wasn't a "strategic" APR decision. As/in, if he were let go after competing in the second semester, yet ended the semester in good academic standing, perhaps no ding or less of a ding. let him go during the first semester...and guaranteed loss of an APR point even if he were in good academic standing because he left the team prior to the start of the second semester.

Someone let me know if I have this right?

(04-06-2015 01:24 PM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  I'm a novice when it comes to APR compliance, so forgive the naivete in my questioning...

But how the heck does Kentucky manage to stay eligible? They seem to reload their starting 5 every year, and I doubt that those guys that go to the NBA are getting degrees after they leave.

Can someone help me on this?

There is an exemption for someone who leaves early to play professionally and they are in good academic standing at the time, thus these players leaving Kentucky don't count tin any way towards APR.

(04-06-2015 01:24 PM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  I'm a novice when it comes to APR compliance, so forgive the naivete in my questioning...

But how the heck does Kentucky manage to stay eligible? They seem to reload their starting 5 every year, and I doubt that those guys that go to the NBA are getting degrees after they leave.

Can someone help me on this?

Also, take a peek at the end of Kentucky's bench. There's at least 5 or 6 students... I mean student-athletes... that never see the floor but my guess is they are seniors and will graduate.

(04-06-2015 02:32 PM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 01:24 PM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  I'm a novice when it comes to APR compliance, so forgive the naivete in my questioning...

But how the heck does Kentucky manage to stay eligible? They seem to reload their starting 5 every year, and I doubt that those guys that go to the NBA are getting degrees after they leave.

Can someone help me on this?

Also, take a peek at the end of Kentucky's bench. There's at least 5 or 6 students... I mean student-athletes... that never see the floor but my guess is they are seniors and will graduate.

For them to be counted for APR purposes they must be scholarship athletes, however.

(04-06-2015 02:38 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 02:32 PM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 01:24 PM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  I'm a novice when it comes to APR compliance, so forgive the naivete in my questioning...

But how the heck does Kentucky manage to stay eligible? They seem to reload their starting 5 every year, and I doubt that those guys that go to the NBA are getting degrees after they leave.

Can someone help me on this?

Also, take a peek at the end of Kentucky's bench. There's at least 5 or 6 students... I mean student-athletes... that never see the floor but my guess is they are seniors and will graduate.

For them to be counted for APR purposes they must be scholarship athletes, however.

I was too curious so I took a gander. Seems there's a direct correlation between being "All SEC Academic" and playing time. Can you guess the correlation? When you're a one-and-done NBA stepping stone you don't need to have every scholarship recipient see playing time (except garbage time clean-up to throw them a bone).

So how does this continual revolving door of a roster not bubble up to Brady eventually?

"Oh, Ricky decided he wanted to join the circus and mop up after the elephants cause he felt it was more desirable than playing basketball for JMU. But we're still good with our coach's recruiting abilities and decisions."

Sorry guys- you want to say Brady ran a few players off that he shouldn't have recruited or lost Cooke or that he should have had more control over the program when some guys didn't behave well- I got you- I'll even give you that Brady is accountable for Millen not being eligible because of a technicality but things like a heart ailment where the player couldn't lace them up (happened twice), a players mother passing away so the player moves back home, and Hall signing a record deal with Atlantic records and leaving JMU aren't things that I can blame Brady for. So are you saying without knowing how lucrative the record deal was and Hall's financial situation that he should have said no I'm staying at JMU because I love playing basketball for Coach Brady? Are we saying that if Shaka Smart was the coach Hall would have turned down the record deal? I feel the same with Dimitri if he decided to leave and go to medical school- JMU doesn't have a medical school. You guys have blinders on- there is attrition at every program in Mens College Basketball. Don't let your feelings for Brady cloud your judgement on everything that happens that impacts the program.

(04-06-2015 03:25 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Sorry guys- you want to say Brady ran a few players off that he shouldn't have recruited or lost Cooke or that he should have had more control over the program when some guys didn't behave well- I got you- I'll even give you that Brady is accountable for Millen not being eligible because of a technicality but things like a heart ailment where the player couldn't lace them up (happened twice), a players mother passing away so the player moves back home, and Hall signing a record deal with Atlantic records and leaving JMU aren't things that I can blame Brady for. So are you saying without knowing how lucrative the record deal was and Hall's financial situation that he should have said no I'm staying at JMU because I love playing basketball for Coach Brady. Are we saying that Shaka Smart was the coach Hall would have turned down the record deal? I feel the same with Dimitri if he decided to leave and go to medical school- JMU doesn't have a medical school. You guys have blinders on- there is attrition at every program in Mens College Basketball. Don't let your feelings for Brady cloud your judgement on everything that happens that impacts the program.

Yeah, after giving it some thought, I don't blame Brady for this one. Hall has an opportunity to make it in the music business by signing with an established label. Why not pursue it? I say go for it. It is not like he is leaving to play for another team. It sucks that its another person out for JMU, though.

(04-06-2015 03:25 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Sorry guys- you want to say Brady ran a few players off that he shouldn't have recruited or lost Cooke or that he should have had more control over the program when some guys didn't behave well- I got you- I'll even give you that Brady is accountable for Millen not being eligible because of a technicality but things like a heart ailment where the player couldn't lace them up (happened twice), a players mother passing away so the player moves back home, and Hall signing a record deal with Atlantic records and leaving JMU aren't things that I can blame Brady for. So are you saying without knowing how lucrative the record deal was and Hall's financial situation that he should have said no I'm staying at JMU because I love playing basketball for Coach Brady. Are we saying that Shaka Smart was the coach Hall would have turned down the record deal? I feel the same with Dimitri if he decided to leave and go to medical school- JMU doesn't have a medical school. You guys have blinders on- there is attrition at every program in Mens College Basketball. Don't let your feelings for Brady cloud your judgement on everything that happens that impacts the program.

Again, these are not isolated incidents. Every program has attrition, but this program has an obscene amount of attrition and from some of our highest-lauded players. He is either a terrible recruiter, terrible at retaining players, or has the absolute worst luck in the history of college basketball coaches. It doesn't matter which of those are the case...either way it doesn't lead to being a truly successful college basketball coach.

My comment about this situation was more laughing at everyone who commented at the end of the season that next year looked bright because of all the players we had returning. It was only a matter of time before the departures started.

Blaming Brady for this kids decision chase a music career rather than basketball is a joke. It's an 18 year old kid making a choice of music over basketball. If he was transferring to play basketball in another program you could make a case that it should reflect back on Brady but that isn't the case here. Let's move on and find a JUCO power forward to help them program next year.

My name is Hari Hall and I'm here to say...
I'm the best damn rapper in the US of A.

(04-06-2015 12:30 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  https://soundcloud.com/bocajalex/sets/thegreysessions

You guys are worried about APR, Brady, player turnover, etc. etc. and I'm just trying to see if he 'spits dat fire'.

hahahahahahahahah

hey if he blows up I hope he still pulls for JMU...

(04-06-2015 12:55 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 11:58 AM)Whitdragn Wrote:  It will affect it now, UNLESS he's pursuing it due to financial hardship and even if that were true I have no idea if the NCAA would allow for an adjustment. Time will tell. If he enrolls/graduates down the road we could get the point back but it would be a bonus at that time.

That's effing ridiculous. So a kid realizes he's perhaps not cut out to to be a college student, or doesn't like the school for whatever reason, OR decides he/she wants to start a computer company (or rap label) in his folks garage with the help of a friend, and JMU Mbball gets punished?!?

What damn sense does that make? I transfered cause I hated school 1. Was the decision to ge there the Schools fault or mine?

Makes ZERO sense.

Dunk, I don't disagree with you. But I don't get to write the NCAA rules. We'll likely apply for an adjustment. While we shouldn't be held responsible that will be up the NCAA pending a review of the actual details.

If he left school ALREADY that's potentially going to be a double strike as I question a students academic standing if they're ditching with just a few weeks left in the semester. APR is there in part to force coaches to recruit players who are going to make the cut (or make it pro.....) which leaves struggling major and mid-major programs in a tough gray area.