(04-16-2015 08:43 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 07:49 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 10:30 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Not everything is connected- it's lazy to think this way and not a perspective that I would expect of someone who graduated JMU.

How can you take this enormous leap considering Brady's awful retention rate? Your larger point is pretty accurate, but it doesn't transfer to the Brady situation anywhere near as seamlessly as you portray.

JMU grads who question Brady's inability to hang onto many top recruits are NOT mentally lazy. When you make statements like this where you go 1 or 2 steps too far defending Brady, it makes me question your agenda.

No agenda just trying to be fair about it- I maintain that it is convenient/lazy for people who don't like Brady to say when another kid transfers that it's Brady's fault. BTW we're up to 450+ transfers early in this off season of college hoops.

Right, we agree on this. But the inverse (every kid transferring is beyond Brady's responsibility) is not true. The way you worded it comes across like anyone who blames Brady is lazy or illogical. Only SOME who blame Brady are doing so because they have a negative agenda. What about the others who have no anti-Brady agenda & simply think enough is enough?

(04-16-2015 11:10 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 08:43 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 07:49 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 10:30 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Not everything is connected- it's lazy to think this way and not a perspective that I would expect of someone who graduated JMU.

How can you take this enormous leap considering Brady's awful retention rate? Your larger point is pretty accurate, but it doesn't transfer to the Brady situation anywhere near as seamlessly as you portray.

JMU grads who question Brady's inability to hang onto many top recruits are NOT mentally lazy. When you make statements like this where you go 1 or 2 steps too far defending Brady, it makes me question your agenda.

No agenda just trying to be fair about it- I maintain that it is convenient/lazy for people who don't like Brady to say when another kid transfers that it's Brady's fault. BTW we're up to 450+ transfers early in this off season of college hoops.

Right, we agree on this. But the inverse (every kid transferring is beyond Brady's responsibility) is not true. The way you worded it comes across like anyone who blames Brady is lazy or illogical. Only SOME who blame Brady are doing so because they have a negative agenda. What about the others who have no anti-Brady agenda & simply think enough is enough?

At some point it no longer matters what the reasons are. Every program has bad luck from time to time. Some programs quickly recover, some programs seem to be in a constant state of turmoil.

(04-16-2015 11:51 AM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  At some point it no longer matters what the reasons are. Every program has bad luck from time to time. Some programs quickly recover, some programs seem to be in a constant state of turmoil.

This is more or less where I am. Unless the argument is that the transfers have been a good thing for JMU basketball, the only thing excuses tell me is WHY we need to change coaches. We've made improvements, but we fail to consistently compete against relevant teams (Richmond was our exception this year).

(04-16-2015 12:27 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 11:51 AM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  At some point it no longer matters what the reasons are. Every program has bad luck from time to time. Some programs quickly recover, some programs seem to be in a constant state of turmoil.

This is more or less where I am. Unless the argument is that the transfers have been a good thing for JMU basketball, the only thing excuses tell me is WHY we need to change coaches. We've made improvements, but we fail to consistently compete against relevant teams (Richmond was our exception this year).

You dissing High Point?!?

I get what you guys are saying there is also a fine line when it comes to circumstances that are out of your control and excuses. I'm not a fan of when Brady uses injuries as excuses or even when a good season is measured by 20 wins or a trip to a small time post season tournament. I think the tone should be better from up top that JMU MBB strives for more- that's a winning culture and that's how programs sustain success. I just don't think transfers out of JMU are as much of an indicator of the health of the program as people may think because the same frequency of transfers occur at successful programs. Maryland for example was left for dead after last off season with the transfers out of the program but they will be a top five program next year. Granted- different level of impact recruit than JMU and they can reover quicker but I think you get my point. I actually have more of an issue with the lesser recruits that transfer or are recruited over than guys like Cooke who probably always had his eye on a higher level or Nation who had off court issues and was a gamble to begin with. If Brady knew that Hall had a goal with music that may take away from his basketball career and took a chance on Hall because he was skilled with decent size I'm actually ok with that moreso than recruiting players who were reaches to begin with, never develop and then leave (the 2011 recruiting class for example). I think that's more of an indictment on a coach and program than a kid who transfers up, can't get it together, etc. I think the Hall thing notwithstanding Brady has done a better job recruiting the last couple of years- seems like better kids, better fit with what he's looking to do, inroads with some schools/feeder systems and some local kids as well.

I agree about his improvement. Just getting impatient.

http://www.basketballfinders.com/2015/04...asketball/

(04-17-2015 06:28 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  http://www.basketballfinders.com/2015/04...asketball/

Answer: Ego.

Contributing Factors: Youth & parental/friendly advice. Impatience.

Outcome: Generally, not so good.

It's why I could see having a Euro recruit or two is a smart approach- it's worked for St Marys, Gonzaga and others. Greater loyalty, less people in the kids ears (AAU, local family, etc.) because they have less contacts in the states.

On a related note Andrew Rowsey local VA kid is transferring. Out of high school he had two offers- Asheville and VMI.

http://www.citizen-times.com/story/sport.../25872269/

(04-17-2015 06:47 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 06:28 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  http://www.basketballfinders.com/2015/04...asketball/

Answer: Ego.

Contributing Factors: Youth & parental/friendly advice. Impatience.

Outcome: Generally, not so good.

Agree, I will add, sometimes they aren't happy with the guys they have been surrounded with. I believe this had a little to do with Cooke leaving us.