Hey, it's Friday! I deserve to go nuts every now and again. AND...YOU DA MAN now so it's all good!

(04-03-2015 04:40 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  The guy has fired everybody that has ever worked for him.Check it out for yourself.
I would say right now NCSU is a better program than Texas and I know they have more money than the law allows but historically they just don't care.If he wins it all there-nobody cares, they are just waiting for football season and hoops is something they do to pass the time until kickoff.But book a loser there in the first season and your ass is in a sling.I don't see texas being a factor now or ever in college basketball.

But traffic is, obviously. And, you've provided no evidence that State or Alabama are better opportunities. No one cares about UF basketball either, but they still have all of the elements for success that UT has, and Donovan has two championships despite the fact that they're a football school in the football crazed SEC.

I happen to agree that he could have waited for Calipari to jump to the NBA, or Roy/K to retire, but what if he has a couple of down years at VCU? There are no guarantees that a blue blood program was going to offer him a job in the next 3-5 years. UT provides everything that the blue bloods have in terms of resources, but they lack the history. But, you can look at the lack of history as a positive as well. He has a chance to be "the coach" that takes Texas to the promise land.

(04-03-2015 07:50 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Hey, it's Friday! I deserve to go nuts every now and again. AND...YOU DA MAN now so it's all good!

Outstanding. I just read it and laughed again. Thanks for that.

(04-03-2015 08:00 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 04:40 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  The guy has fired everybody that has ever worked for him.Check it out for yourself.
I would say right now NCSU is a better program than Texas and I know they have more money than the law allows but historically they just don't care.If he wins it all there-nobody cares, they are just waiting for football season and hoops is something they do to pass the time until kickoff.But book a loser there in the first season and your ass is in a sling.I don't see texas being a factor now or ever in college basketball.

But traffic is, obviously. And, you've provided no evidence that State or Alabama are better opportunities. No one cares about UF basketball either, but they still have all of the elements for success that UT has, and Donovan has two championships despite the fact that they're a football school in the football crazed SEC.

I happen to agree that he could have waited for Calipari to jump to the NBA, or Roy/K to retire, but what if he has a couple of down years at VCU? There are no guarantees that a blue blood program was going to offer him a job in the next 3-5 years. UT provides everything that the blue bloods have in terms of resources, but they lack the history. But, you can look at the lack of history as a positive as well. He has a chance to be "the coach" that takes Texas to the promise land.

Maybe he has a another job in mind as well done th eline-who knows.He is good enough to win at Texas but I just don't think anybody will care.Alabama is not a goodjob and Texas is obviously a step or two up but has never been considered a top college coaching job and I doubt it ever will.Good luck to him there,hope he does well.

I don't think it's such a huge gamble. He will be financially secure no matter what happens. And I'm sure if it doesn't work out, he will end up at another major school. It didn't take long for Barnes to land another gig.

(04-04-2015 09:09 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  I don't think it's such a huge gamble. He will be financially secure no matter what happens. And I'm sure if it doesn't work out, he will end up at another major school. It didn't take long for Barnes to land another gig.

I agree 33. Texas seems to be the best spot for him, RIGHT NOW. He's a young coach. He could still have 40+ years of coaching left if he takes care of himself.

Saying going to Texas is a bad fit, and that he would be better off at a blue-blood program is a bit insightful, in my opinion. At Texas, Smart has the ability to compete at a major program and win a conference much quicker than he'd be able to compete for conference championships against Duke, Carolina, Louisville, and Syracuse. The ACC right now, is STACKED with the best head coaches in college basketball.

Texas gives him the best chance to compete for conference championships immediately, get after #1 seeds in the tourney, and set his teams up for runs at national championships. Once he succeeds at Texas, when all those older coaches from the ACC start retiring... they'll come calling. Smart has plenty of time, and he made the best calculated move, IMO. I think if he had taken that job at NC State when it was offered, he would have been getting thumped by the best coaches in basketball year in and year out. Now he has the opportunity to be thumping the others in a major conference, and really only Bill Self will probably stand in his way. Looking at the big picture, that's a win.

And that is why Barnes left Clemson and the ACC.

(04-04-2015 11:23 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  And that is why Barnes left Clemson and the ACC.

And a reason Brownell has struggled a bit. Larranaga at times as well.

Clemson and Miami have all most no basketball history and NCSU has been to the top a few times and is on a great course right now.I think he took a safe job and and in a conference he thinks he can win in but Kansas will always rule there.If he does poorly there he has no chance to go to another major with his resume, he would have to start over.Barnes is 60 years and has been in the buisness forever and it means something.I do think he will be ok there for at least a little while before the AD goes nuts if he does win the NCAA.
Barnes would love to have that NCSU job now.

17 years, 402-180, 5 sweet 16's three elite 8's 1 final 4. We talk on this thread like Barnes is a scrub or that Texas can't be a hoops school. Bottom line, is it can. Proof is in the numbers.

(04-06-2015 06:59 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  17 years, 402-180, 5 sweet 16's three elite 8's 1 final 4. We talk on this thread like Barnes is a scrub or that Texas can't be a hoops school. Bottom line, is it can. Proof is in the numbers.

Yep. And they just hired a coach who took a team with far less resources to a Final Four. It seems like a perfect match. And as 33 mentioned, if Smart fails he'll land on his feet, Texas will use their unlimited resources to hire someone new (probably someone with NBA connections, given the One and Done landscape), and the world will move on.

But if it works.....Kansas' seat on the B12 throne will be tenuous. This was a high ceiling move.

(04-04-2015 03:42 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  NCSU has been to the top a few times and is on a great course right now. I think he took a safe job and and in a conference he thinks he can win in but Kansas will always rule there.

There is a reason State hired Sydney Lowe and a guy that was out of coaching. It isn't a highly desirable job, and you have to go against programs where you're always going to be losing recruiting battles. "Kansas will always rule there" may be true, but you're talking about having to jump ONE team in the conference. At State, you have more work to do to jump TWO teams in your own area code.

(04-04-2015 03:42 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Barnes would love to have that NCSU job now.

What is that saying about hindsight? It'll come to me, but the fact is when given the opportunity b/w Texas and State, Barnes (and Smart) have chosen Texas. Perhaps, those in the business have more insight than you. Crazy thought, I know.

(04-06-2015 06:59 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  17 years, 402-180, 5 sweet 16's three elite 8's 1 final 4. We talk on this thread like Barnes is a scrub or that Texas can't be a hoops school. Bottom line, is it can. Proof is in the numbers.

I agree, he isn't a bad coach, but he definitely plateaued.

(04-06-2015 07:58 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 06:59 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  17 years, 402-180, 5 sweet 16's three elite 8's 1 final 4. We talk on this thread like Barnes is a scrub or that Texas can't be a hoops school. Bottom line, is it can. Proof is in the numbers.

I agree, he isn't a bad coach, but he definitely plateaued.

Agree, sometimes one you are in a place for a long time complacency sets in. Interested to see what a new life in TN will do for Barnes.

(04-06-2015 07:57 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  What is that saying about hindsight? It'll come to me, but the fact is when given the opportunity b/w Texas and State, Barnes (and smart) have chosen Texas. Perhaps, those in the business have more insight than you. Crazy thought, I know.

Barnes didn't take the NC State job because he is friends with Herb; Shaka didn't want the Duke/Cheater challenge. There's not some magical pool of collegiate basketball knowledge these people drink from after being a coach. They may know the game better than most of us, but we all see the same pros and cons of each vacant head coaching gig

Alabama has reached a verbal agreement with Avery Johnson.

(04-06-2015 08:06 AM)seaplus Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 07:57 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  What is that saying about hindsight? It'll come to me, but the fact is when given the opportunity b/w Texas and State, Barnes (and smart) have chosen Texas. Perhaps, those in the business have more insight than you. Crazy thought, I know.

Barnes didn't take the NC State job because he is friends with Herb; Shaka didn't want the Duke/Cheater challenge. There's not some magical pool of collegiate basketball knowledge these people drink from after being a coach. They may know the game better than most of us, but we all see the same pros and cons of each vacant head coaching gig

Rationalize it how you want, but State's coaching search that ultimately led to Sidney Lowe was an embarrassment (Barnes, Calipari, Lavin, Beilein, etc). And Smart essentially said that he would rather work at VCU for a million dollars less than coach at State.

(04-06-2015 08:06 AM)seaplus Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 07:57 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  What is that saying about hindsight? It'll come to me, but the fact is when given the opportunity b/w Texas and State, Barnes (and smart) have chosen Texas. Perhaps, those in the business have more insight than you. Crazy thought, I know.

Barnes didn't take the NC State job because he is friends with Herb; Shaka didn't want the Duke/Cheater challenge. There's not some magical pool of collegiate basketball knowledge these people drink from after being a coach. They may know the game better than most of us, but we all see the same pros and cons of each vacant head coaching gig

Not true and not even in the ballpark with Barnes and Sendek.

(04-06-2015 08:36 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  State's coaching search that ultimately led to Sidney Lowe was an embarrassment (Barnes, Calipari, Lavin, Beilein, etc). And Smart essentially said that he would rather work at VCU for a million dollars less than coach at State.

100% embarrassment, but I'm just talking about Barnes and Smart. Probably a smart career move for him to not take the NC State job with K and Roy miles away. Seems to have worked out great for him

(04-06-2015 08:36 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Not true and not even in the ballpark with Barnes and Sendek.

educate me Pepperdine. I hate having the wrong information

(04-06-2015 08:36 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 08:06 AM)seaplus Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 07:57 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  What is that saying about hindsight? It'll come to me, but the fact is when given the opportunity b/w Texas and State, Barnes (and smart) have chosen Texas. Perhaps, those in the business have more insight than you. Crazy thought, I know.

Barnes didn't take the NC State job because he is friends with Herb; Shaka didn't want the Duke/Cheater challenge. There's not some magical pool of collegiate basketball knowledge these people drink from after being a coach. They may know the game better than most of us, but we all see the same pros and cons of each vacant head coaching gig

Not true and not even in the ballpark with Barnes and Sendek.

Care to elaborate?