(03-20-2015 10:35 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  I'm putting this into its own thread so the game thread for Ga State doesn't get cluttered with this discussion.

(03-20-2015 09:12 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 09:09 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  and yet, not 1 more person will care any more about the sun belt, or think that the sun belt is any better of a conference. my comments are about perception of our league, which means just as much as winning money, which I am glad they are doing for us. Until the sun belt is perceived as a better league, we still will not be able to demand more tv games nor will we garner any national attention during the regular season.

Ga State has done its job. Now the rest of the belt needs to step up to really make a difference.

So you think possible additional marketing funds, or distributions for buying P5 games, or additional funding for helping teams get possible bowl bids, does not help the perception of the conference?

15, 17, 21, 26, 19, 18, 20.

the 15 was the conference ranking when WKU made a sweet 16 run. 3 years later Sun Belt was down to 26, and then made it back up to 20 last year.

So tell me if the money from that sweet 16 run WKU has helped the entire conference gain prestige. Until we start putting 2 teams into the tournament, 1 team having a good showing will not increase recognition and perception of the sun belt. What this win, and wins if state keeps going could do, is increase their case for CUSA.

The payout was not the same at that time.

(03-20-2015 10:55 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 10:52 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  $280,000 split 11 ways is bumpkus in money with no impact.

wait.... that's what the conference gets each year for the next 6 years for the 1 win?

It's more than than that, and it escalates each year, plus Ga State now has 2 units earned for the conference.

Plus it is not necessarily split, nobody knows the details of the super secret, password protected, double secret, Karl encrypted Sun Belt by laws and revenue sharing agreement.

(03-20-2015 12:09 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The green-eyed monster lives in the 'boro today boys, congrats GA St.

This - the real truth of the matter.

(03-20-2015 12:30 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  Who knows if GSU makes a deep run in the tournament it may set off a basketball arms race in the Belt making all of us better...

This needs to happen.

(03-20-2015 12:43 PM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 12:09 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The green-eyed monster lives in the 'boro today boys, congrats GA St.

This - the real truth of the matter.

lol. I'm actually happy for them. They have been a solid team the last two years, and god knows with as much bad pub they get from football, this is great. I'm jealous. I would love to see Southern be able to do the same, but we have a ways to go. And they did something that ULala hasn't done since the early 90's. This conversation is totally separate from what Ga State themselves are accomplishing. I was watching the game with my coworkers, and we all went nuts when RJ hit the three.

But if you would like to share theories on how the Sun Belt is now more highly regarded or will be in 3 years because of this one win, please feel free to share.

(03-20-2015 01:04 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 12:43 PM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 12:09 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The green-eyed monster lives in the 'boro today boys, congrats GA St.

This - the real truth of the matter.

lol. I'm actually happy for them. They have been a solid team the last two years, and god knows with as much bad pub they get from football, this is great. I'm jealous. I would love to see Southern be able to do the same, but we have a ways to go. And they did something that ULala hasn't done since the early 90's. This conversation is totally separate from what Ga State themselves are accomplishing. I was watching the game with my coworkers, and we all went nuts when RJ hit the three.

But if you would like to share theories on how the Sun Belt is now more highly regarded or will be in 3 years because of this one win, please feel free to share.

Hey - I'm jealous too! We have been really close on at least 3 occasions in the tourney since then that I wish we woulda made some noise with wins.

Believe me though, you contend this win means nothing. I guarantee, Ga State can use this win to participate in a tourney, get on tv, maybe schedule and pay for a P5 home game now a lot more easier because of this win. Maybe more if they make a run.

This helps the perceptionn of SBC basketball, maybe not with your typical football-only, Walmart shopping, mouthbreathing, fan in the south .... but it will amongst basketball fans nationally, tv networks, recruits and the basketball media.

This along with the revenue that increases possibly with each win Ga State has in the tourney if they make a run, does mean something tangibly and perception wise to the SBC.

We will just have to agree to disagree.

However ... I'm right and you're wrong!

(03-20-2015 01:24 PM)epiccajun Wrote:  This helps the perceptionn of SBC basketball, maybe not with your typical football-only, Walmart shopping, mouthbreathing, fan in the south .... but it will amongst basketball fans nationally, tv networks, recruits and the basketball media.

true. Morehead State still gets talked about a ton on national tv.

(03-20-2015 12:12 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  As other posters have been saying, it's all about building a foundation brick by brick. I don't think anyone believes that conference perception greatly changes with a single victory, but it is a step. The A-Sun put a team in the Sweet 16, then had Mercer upset Duke, which did give the conference a little push because you inevitably have commentators saying things like, "Well, this is the league that put FGCU in the Sweet 16, so Duke should have known not to underestimate the Bears."

Even how those bricks are put together can depend on a lot of factors that happen later. The CAA was a multibid league that had two Final Four teams in a short span. Now both of those teams (and ODU, and us, although I don't think many folks target the loss of GSU as a factor in the demise of CAA basketball) are gone to other conferences, and the CAA is about where we are.

Is our win a huge deal for the league? No. Is it potentially part of a process? Yes. As has been hinted at, if you're going to say that this win does absolutely nothing for the conference, then you also have to concede that a blowout loss would have done absolutely nothing to set the conference back in perception. I don't believe that either of those are true, as they're part of a bigger picture.

Those bricks need more than pla dough mortar. Every team needs to get serious about basketball, and playing a bunch of non division one teams like we all do does zilch. These coaches, and AD need to get off their collective asses and find locals who will subsidize home games vs good opponents.

All these coaches like to pad their resume with non division one wins instead of beating the bushes for better support.

The Ga State win means more money, and nothing else.

(03-20-2015 01:24 PM)epiccajun Wrote:  This helps the perceptionn of SBC basketball, maybe not with your typical football-only, Walmart shopping, mouthbreathing, fan in the south .... but it will amongst basketball fans nationally, tv networks, recruits and the basketball media.

Well put. You hit it on the nose.

One could argue (and rightfully so) that Georgia State's win over Baylor was far more beneficial to the conference than 2 near losses in football.

But still, folks said "good job, Georgia Southern. Way to represent the Sun Belt well, and put on a good product." Georgia Southern fans seemed to eat that up.

Why now is it that they want to minimize an event for a conference mate?

During football season we want to be a football conference, now during basketball season we want to be a basketball conference. Not sure the SBC has the resources to do both at the same time. However, winning games with what we have will only result in more later. We all have to get better, with our scheduling and winning games on our schedule.

Win the CBI, win the CIT and GaSt, win the NCAA. You are only one of 32 teams that still has a chance to do that.

We have got to become respectable as a conference, not just one team at a time.

(03-20-2015 03:33 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  One could argue (and rightfully so) that Georgia State's win over Baylor was far more beneficial to the conference than 2 near losses in football.

But still, folks said "good job, Georgia Southern. Way to represent the Sun Belt well, and put on a good product." Georgia Southern fans seemed to eat that up.

Why now is it that they want to minimize an event for a conference mate?

I don't think anyone has minimized the win, it was a great win for GaSt and a good win for the conference. We are just debating on how much it will effect perception of the SBC.

(03-20-2015 03:33 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Why now is it that they want to minimize an event for a conference mate?

please show me where any fan of any team has said what ga state did wasn't a big win or a big accomplishment.

(03-20-2015 03:33 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  One could argue (and rightfully so) that Georgia State's win over Baylor was far more beneficial to the conference than 2 near losses in football.

But still, folks said "good job, Georgia Southern. Way to represent the Sun Belt well, and put on a good product." Georgia Southern fans seemed to eat that up.

Why now is it that they want to minimize an event for a conference mate?

It might just be because those same fans have growed to hate some Georgia State fans that have posted in the past with such a passion that they see every thing that is Georgia State in the same way as they see those few Georgia State Fans.

They see GS as good and right.
They see GSU as bad and wrong.

Some folk just will not ever change there way of thinking on some matters and this subject is just one of them.




Or some posters just enjoy stiring the pot.



The above is just the opinion of ValleyBoy and should not be taken out of context or used without a written notice from ValleyBoy.

Well I was feeling pretty good about yesterday's win but now I have been convinced it was a waste of everyone's time. But beating a bad Florida team and losing close games to two ACC football teams....[/i] now that totally different. Congrats Southern way to go.

Atlanta is "buzzing" right now with all the media coverage of the win. The stats prove that the conference has been competitive and this has also been mentioned several times in the media today. This is good!

(03-20-2015 04:12 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Well I was feeling pretty good about yesterday's win but now I have been convinced it was a waste of everyone's time. But beating a bad Florida team and losing close games to two ACC football teams....[/i] now that totally different. Congrats Southern way to go.

This!

(03-20-2015 01:46 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 01:24 PM)epiccajun Wrote:  This helps the perceptionn of SBC basketball, maybe not with your typical football-only, Walmart shopping, mouthbreathing, fan in the south .... but it will amongst basketball fans nationally, tv networks, recruits and the basketball media.

true. Morehead State still gets talked about a ton on national tv.

There is no debating whether or not GSU's great win created a "positive" for the conference... with the media, college basketball fanATICS, coaches, AD's and even those with pull in the ("not for profit") industry. The only debate is just how MANY positives did GSU's win bring to the SBC?.

Also, Morehead State's mentioned above. I'll even mention Gonzaga to make my point. The average college basketball fan cannot name either school's conference affiliation. Gonzaga's a household name but the "West Coast Conference" isn't. The only household name conferences are those who have multiple teams every year and with teams who go deep in March Madness.

(03-20-2015 03:33 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  One could argue (and rightfully so) that Georgia State's win over Baylor was far more beneficial to the conference than 2 near losses in football.

But still, folks said "good job, Georgia Southern. Way to represent the Sun Belt well, and put on a good product." Georgia Southern fans seemed to eat that up.

Why now is it that they want to minimize an event for a conference mate?

Seriously?


Only a couple of classy folks showed up. The VAST majority provided much advice. My favorite. "Act like you've been there before" and "GS fans will never get it". Why NCEagle is arguing this is beyond me. Bad timing. Our largest media market is a buzz today with Sun Belt hype. 40,000 ambassadors and alumni puffed up. This is good stuff...

(03-20-2015 03:33 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  One could argue (and rightfully so) that Georgia State's win over Baylor was far more beneficial to the conference than 2 near losses in football.

But still, folks said "good job, Georgia Southern. Way to represent the Sun Belt well, and put on a good product." Georgia Southern fans seemed to eat that up.

Why now is it that they want to minimize an event for a conference mate?

Who is this "they" that you speak of? I've seen comments from two GA Southern fans who have made remarks that could be interpreted as attempting to minimize GA State's accomplishment. Your comment seems to say that all GA Southern fans are in on an attempt to denigrate State's big win. I just don't see it and wonder what your comment is based on?