No, you're all wrong... the ACC likes to invite former national champions.

Florida State

Miami

and now... Ohio State!

This is only the first move in a deep and subtle game. The real end game will be here when we see Rice invited to the B1G.

(03-02-2015 08:12 AM)chess Wrote:  NBC owns the Golf Channel, MSNBC, CNBC, NBCSN, and Comcast Sports Net (NBC regional network).

NBC has one NFL game, Notre Dame, the NHL, the Premiere League, PGA, and THE OLYMPICS.

We know that MSNBC's ratings are very low.

It doesn't seem too out of the question to see that NBC could use a conference like the ACC to fill out their programming. It doesn't seem too out of the question that some networks get re-branded with sports programming because it is the only programming that the viewer will watch commercials.

Now that is an interesting thought. MSNBC could be converted into the ACC network since nobody watches that channel.

(03-02-2015 04:02 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 01:37 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Hey, it is much more fun to let the conversation go a few more pages with the ACC guys all telling each other they have a shot at pulling Penn State from The Big Ten.

(03-02-2015 01:55 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  Penn St? Man, the dream weavers in ACC land have been throwing around for weeks that Texas and Tennessee are on the horizon any minute now.

Moral of the story? Everyone thinks they are better than they really are. The Big 12 is convinced everything is great while repeating to themselves in their padded Texas cell how much per team revenue they distribute. The ACC is convinced they will finally get out of the SEC and Big Tens shadow and become the nations conference. The Big 10 is convinced that the 90s will be back before you know it. The SEC is convinced that if they can just chant their conference name, people will overlook how much of a mess their own schools shortcomings are. And the Pac 12 thinks if the east coast would stop their conspiracy theory against the west coast, they would finally get the respect they deserve.

Oh and yes, UC fans think that if things break just right, multiple conferences will be in a bidding war for us, and we are only a power conference invite away from dominating the collegiate athletic landscape. And AAC fans think there will be a P6.

TL;DR : Fans gonna fan. It's great fun.

I learned my lesson from Maryland: Money trumps everything else.

I agree with everything you say in this post except with a modification: Enough money trumps everything else. Maryland didn't leave just because the B1G was seen to make something like $3 million more than the ACC, they left (despite all those ties and advantages of being with the ACC that you correctly mentioned) because the B1G was perceived to offer a huge money advantage, at least $10+ million more per year.

That's what it will take for the ACC to be appealing enough to steal Penn State and (especially, since their ties to the SEC run far deeper than PSU's to the B1G) Tennessee. There is no way the Vols leave the SEC for the ACC unless the money advantage is perceived to be massive, not just a bit more.

And given the success of the SECN and BTN, and the B1G and SEC having a superior share of CFP bowl money, it is extremely hard to believe that even if the ACCN is very successful, that it could come anywhere close to giving the ACC that kind of money advantage over the two money powerhouses, the SEC and B1G.

(03-02-2015 09:05 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 08:12 AM)chess Wrote:  NBC owns the Golf Channel, MSNBC, CNBC, NBCSN, and Comcast Sports Net (NBC regional network).

NBC has one NFL game, Notre Dame, the NHL, the Premiere League, PGA, and THE OLYMPICS.

We know that MSNBC's ratings are very low.

It doesn't seem too out of the question to see that NBC could use a conference like the ACC to fill out their programming. It doesn't seem too out of the question that some networks get re-branded with sports programming because it is the only programming that the viewer will watch commercials.

Now that is an interesting thought. MSNBC could be converted into the ACC network since nobody watches that channel.

Would the refs have to be PC and liberal then?

(03-02-2015 04:02 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 01:37 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Hey, it is much more fun to let the conversation go a few more pages with the ACC guys all telling each other they have a shot at pulling Penn State from The Big Ten.

(03-02-2015 01:55 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  Penn St? Man, the dream weavers in ACC land have been throwing around for weeks that Texas and Tennessee are on the horizon any minute now.

Moral of the story? Everyone thinks they are better than they really are. The Big 12 is convinced everything is great while repeating to themselves in their padded Texas cell how much per team revenue they distribute. The ACC is convinced they will finally get out of the SEC and Big Tens shadow and become the nations conference. The Big 10 is convinced that the 90s will be back before you know it. The SEC is convinced that if they can just chant their conference name, people will overlook how much of a mess their own schools shortcomings are. And the Pac 12 thinks if the east coast would stop their conspiracy theory against the west coast, they would finally get the respect they deserve.

Oh and yes, UC fans think that if things break just right, multiple conferences will be in a bidding war for us, and we are only a power conference invite away from dominating the collegiate athletic landscape. And AAC fans think there will be a P6.

TL;DR : Fans gonna fan. It's great fun.

I learned my lesson from Maryland: Money trumps everything else. No matter how much fans would object to the move today, they will talk themselves into it in a year or two. Because the alternative is find another team to root for. And that almost never happens.

Isn't this kind of the point though? The SEC makes more money than the ACC, and its not close now with the SEC network.

I get that the ACC should see a bump from the startup of their (likely but still without details or confirmed by anyone) network, but it's hard to see how it will be enough to come close to what the SEC is doing.

It's MUCH more likely that a current ACC team will be in the SEC before vice versa.

(03-02-2015 09:30 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 09:05 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 08:12 AM)chess Wrote:  NBC owns the Golf Channel, MSNBC, CNBC, NBCSN, and Comcast Sports Net (NBC regional network).

NBC has one NFL game, Notre Dame, the NHL, the Premiere League, PGA, and THE OLYMPICS.

We know that MSNBC's ratings are very low.

It doesn't seem too out of the question to see that NBC could use a conference like the ACC to fill out their programming. It doesn't seem too out of the question that some networks get re-branded with sports programming because it is the only programming that the viewer will watch commercials.

Now that is an interesting thought. MSNBC could be converted into the ACC network since nobody watches that channel.

Would the refs have to be PC and liberal then?

Orange wedges for all and big trophies

(03-02-2015 08:49 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  No, you're all wrong... the ACC likes to invite former national champions.

Florida State

Miami

and now... Ohio State!

What's that motivational poster again?

Something like 'Shoot for the stars, and even if you miss, hey, at least you'll end up with Cincinnati'.

That sounds right.

(03-01-2015 09:37 PM)BE4neva Wrote:  Actually it's pretty major. My sources in Ohio are telling me the following.

Cincy was told by the ACC a while back when LVille was accepted that they needed to hVe certain measures met in order to get invited down the line. Supposedly the ACC told them they needed to have a stadium at least 40k as there home. That's the real reason why they expanded and spent all that money with no real reason to at the time. They are expecting to get invited to the ACC this calendar year. Who is 16? It's ND. They are joining full. They have seen the new system now nd know that if they want to be a yearly threat to get a playoff invite they need that 13th game. In order to make this possible NBC will have a significant share of the ACCN and help espn with cash to buy back what's needed from Raycom. I'm told ND has asked to play its division and a crossover. So the league will be at a 9 game schedule which means 2 cross over games but ND will play 1. So 1 team a year over a 15 year rotation will also miss 1 crossover and as result have a 4th OOC game. This level ND with 4 OOC every year. USc, Stan an Navy are in. They get to keep those all important games. Then they get one extra slot to do as they wise. Works out well for all involved it seems.

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(03-01-2015 11:59 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 10:09 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  But what does the dude think?!


The ACC does nothing until the GOR expires. What happens then depends upon how well the ACCN goes. The ACC's big advantage is the sheer number of television sets in the footprint, and the fact that it can draw people to those TV's nearly year round, though in admittedly diminishing volumes (football --> basketball --> baseball). If the ACC can press home the TV set advantage into a big financial advantage ... then I think bigger game than Cincinnati is on the table. If I were Swofford and I was #1 in revenue ... I'd go for Tennessee first. Pedo State second.

Penn State>>>>Tennessee

The ACC has no reason to piss ff the SEC. Grabbing Ped State basically cuts off NJ State and Maryland.

You all may be right however, in order to grab a team, said team must want to leave their existing conference.

Why on earth would Tennessee or Penn State want to leave the SEC and B1G, respectively?

Money? Prestige? Competitiveness?

Nope - no reason. The ACC provides nothing more than they already have and long term rivalries currently exist.

Not sure if it would be Cincinnati, but it won't be Tennessee or Penn State.

Quality trolling by the OP. Miko, is that you?

(03-02-2015 10:03 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Quality trolling by the OP. Miko, is that you?

The rumor originally started over at the CrackPride Board (NCSt)

The OP is just stealing form there and adding to it.

It could well be a garbage rumor, but why is everyone freaking out that it's impossible?

What's so impossible about NBC wanting to be the "home" network for a college football conference? CBS is for the SEC, and you'll note both that the SEC still has its own network with ESPN the primary partner and ESPN still shows plenty of SEC games on ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU.

So why couldn't NBC be to the ACC what CBS is to the SEC? With ESPN still being a significant partner to both and still being the primary partner for each conference's namesake network?

I see no reason why it's impossible.

(03-02-2015 09:52 AM)mac6115cd Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 11:59 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 10:09 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  But what does the dude think?!


The ACC does nothing until the GOR expires. What happens then depends upon how well the ACCN goes. The ACC's big advantage is the sheer number of television sets in the footprint, and the fact that it can draw people to those TV's nearly year round, though in admittedly diminishing volumes (football --> basketball --> baseball). If the ACC can press home the TV set advantage into a big financial advantage ... then I think bigger game than Cincinnati is on the table. If I were Swofford and I was #1 in revenue ... I'd go for Tennessee first. Pedo State second.

Penn State>>>>Tennessee

The ACC has no reason to piss ff the SEC. Grabbing Ped State basically cuts off NJ State and Maryland.

You all may be right however, in order to grab a team, said team must want to leave their existing conference.

Why on earth would Tennessee or Penn State want to leave the SEC and B1G, respectively?

Money? Prestige? Competitiveness?

Nope - no reason. The ACC provides nothing more than they already have and long term rivalries currently exist.

Not sure if it would be Cincinnati, but it won't be Tennessee or Penn State.

There are only two reasonable ACC targets for #16 (if ND is #15) - UConn and Cinci-

ND is probably calling the shots on this - and I'm guessing they'll take the travel partner and push for Cinci - giving them Cinci and Louisville as easy trips every year, especially for non-revenue sports.

For the ACC - Cinci gets them into B1G territory Ohio, ND puts them in Indiana, Pitt puts them in PA - so they have encroached significantly on the B1G network-wise.

And.. taking Cinci REALLY hamstrings the B12 - there is no more low-hanging fruit in the east - if ANYONE leaves and Cinci is gone, they are looking at Colorado State, BYU or Rice.

If they need a championship game... good luck finding 2.

April Fools' came early did it not?

Even though West Virginia would absolutely make the most sense as the 16th full member of the ACC (with Pitt rivalry and connections to former Big East schools Notre Dame, Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College and Louisville), I think they'll remain with the XII.

So in that case, it's a toss up for me between Cincy and UConn. But I absolutely believe that BC has zero actual power to block UConn.

An ACC with ND and Cinci really sets up the B1G and SEC to need to expand to 16 - and I really see, then, the B12 finally being picked apart.

Remember the GOR is null if 5 teams leave. If I'm the B1G I make an offer to KU and Mizzou (yes, Mizzou) who add more value together w/that fierce rivalry than they do apart. If Mizzou says No (I'm guessing they will), they'll offer Iowa State.

The SEC, needing to get to 16, can offer either Oklahoma/Oklahoma State (geographically this works quite well), or WVU and TCU (Dallas market) - both of which fit well.

This leaves Texas, OU, OSU and TTCH for the PAC, and KSU, TCU and Baylor out in the cold.

(03-02-2015 10:31 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  An ACC with ND and Cinci really sets up the B1G and SEC to need to expand to 16 - and I really see, then, the B12 finally being picked apart.

Remember the GOR is null if 5 teams leave. If I'm the B1G I make an offer to KU and Mizzou (yes, Mizzou) who add more value together w/that fierce rivalry than they do apart. If Mizzou says No (I'm guessing they will), they'll offer Iowa State.

The SEC, needing to get to 16, can offer either Oklahoma/Oklahoma State (geographically this works quite well), or WVU and TCU (Dallas market) - both of which fit well.

This leaves Texas, OU, OSU and TTCH for the PAC, and KSU, TCU and Baylor out in the cold.

If the entire XII is on the table, then there is zero chance the B1G offers Iowa St.

They add nothing to the TV deal other than a niche, one state rivalry.


The B1G will go for Texas first.

(03-02-2015 10:18 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 10:03 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Quality trolling by the OP. Miko, is that you?

The rumor originally started over at the CrackPride Board (NCSt)

The OP is just stealing form there and adding to it.

So those NCSU people are on crack when they post?

(03-02-2015 10:24 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  It could well be a garbage rumor, but why is everyone freaking out that it's impossible?

What's so impossible about NBC wanting to be the "home" network for a college football conference? CBS is for the SEC, and you'll note both that the SEC still has its own network with ESPN the primary partner and ESPN still shows plenty of SEC games on ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU.

So why couldn't NBC be to the ACC what CBS is to the SEC? With ESPN still being a significant partner to both and still being the primary partner for each conference's namesake network?

I see no reason why it's impossible.

Its called a contract. ESPN has the ACC locked up until 2029. They aren't going to give that up.