(03-01-2015 10:31 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I guess you do have the BYU AD comments. If the acc were jumping to 16 with ND, the most likely picks would be

Uconn
Cincy
WVU- get a deal with the big 12 to release them and take byu.

Of course that would be after calling some of these:

Penn State
Texas
Florida
UGA
Kentucky
South Carolina
BYU- football only
Navy- football only

Pedo State makes sense.

Texas comes with too much baggage and is a nightmare in non-revenue sports.

Florida does not give the ACC new TV sets. UGAg does not give the ACC new TV sets, and the academic schools of the ACC would block it. South Carolina does not give the ACC new TV sets. Kentucky would have a hard time getting in from the FB schools. If the ACC is going to get somebody out of the SEC it is going to be Tennessee. They're a pre-existing rival with Georgia Tech. They are a natural rival for Virginia Tech and Clemson and even Louisville. And they are located reasonably well within the existing ACC footprint. They bring online two major new markets (Nashville, Knoxville) the ACC does not presently have. Their basketball program is good enough for the tobacco road schools. If it is from the SEC, mark my words, it will be Tennessee.

BYU: Put down the crack pipe.

Navy: Only if ND demanded it as a condition of entry to the conference would that even be considered ... and that would likely be paired with Georgetown for scheduling reasons.

(03-01-2015 10:09 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  But what does the dude think?!


The ACC does nothing until the GOR expires. What happens then depends upon how well the ACCN goes. The ACC's big advantage is the sheer number of television sets in the footprint, and the fact that it can draw people to those TV's nearly year round, though in admittedly diminishing volumes (football --> basketball --> baseball). If the ACC can press home the TV set advantage into a big financial advantage ... then I think bigger game than Cincinnati is on the table. If I were Swofford and I was #1 in revenue ... I'd go for Tennessee first. Pedo State second.

Penn State>>>>Tennessee

The ACC has no reason to piss ff the SEC. Grabbing Ped State basically cuts off NJ State and Maryland.

Makes zero sense in any way.

1. Notre Dame is not an independent because they value the NBC contract. They are an independent because their alumni (including the big money ones) vastly prefer independence to the point it would effect donations severely if the Irish gave it up.
2. How exactly does NBC end up with the rights? The ACC has a long term contract with ESPN giving them almost everything. Setting it up with NBC would mean buying all that back from ESPN (good luck). Even if there was an once of truth to this, it would likely be far easier to buy out the NBC contract.

"13th" post

If Notre Dame fully joins ACC, then Cincy probably gets in.

West Virginia is hated by some in the ACC.
Vanderbilt wouldn't do anything for the TV people.
Tenner ain't leaving the SEC for the ACC.
Navy would be a hard sell over more valuable properties.
Northwestern/Purdue just don't seem to fit the ACC mold IMHO.
Penn State: B1G expanded around PSU for the reason of not losing them.
UConn: BC would block that one.

B1G is not inviting UConn, nor are they losing Penn State barring a complete conference collapse.

The conference is simply waiting on Texas and Oklahoma if/when the Big 12 finally implodes. Until then, they likely won't expand at all unless a team like FSU or Duke decides to just leave the ACC.

Threads merged under the better more descriptive title.

(03-02-2015 12:46 AM)AntiG Wrote:  B1G is not inviting UConn, nor are they losing Penn State barring a complete conference collapse.

The conference is simply waiting on Texas and Oklahoma if/when the Big 12 finally implodes. Until then, they likely won't expand at all unless a team like FSU or Duke decides to just leave the ACC.

Hey, it is much more fun to let the conversation go a few more pages with the ACC guys all telling each other they have a shot at pulling Penn State from The Big Ten.

This doesn't seem very legit. I perused the source thread, and everyone there thinks this guy has an unhealthy obsession with ND and he stated multiple times that NBC is owned by GE, which hasn't been true for years.

I don't see a lot of the motivations or business needs to drive this at all. This should be they very first test of any realignment theory. I don't get NDs or ESPNs motivation that it would take to get this to happen.

So fun rumor, seeing UC in the ACC with Louisville would be a dream scenario, but I don't see this rumor as any different than the millions of others.

(03-02-2015 01:37 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 12:46 AM)AntiG Wrote:  B1G is not inviting UConn, nor are they losing Penn State barring a complete conference collapse.

The conference is simply waiting on Texas and Oklahoma if/when the Big 12 finally implodes. Until then, they likely won't expand at all unless a team like FSU or Duke decides to just leave the ACC.

Hey, it is much more fun to let the conversation go a few more pages with the ACC guys all telling each other they have a shot at pulling Penn State from The Big Ten.

Penn St? Man, the dream weavers in ACC land have been throwing around for weeks that Texas and Tennessee are on the horizon any minute now.

Moral of the story? Everyone thinks they are better than they really are. The Big 12 is convinced everything is great while repeating to themselves in their padded Texas cell how much per team revenue they distribute. The ACC is convinced they will finally get out of the SEC and Big Tens shadow and become the nations conference. The Big 10 is convinced that the 90s will be back before you know it. The SEC is convinced that if they can just chant their conference name, people will overlook how much of a mess their own schools shortcomings are. And the Pac 12 thinks if the east coast would stop their conspiracy theory against the west coast, they would finally get the respect they deserve.

Oh and yes, UC fans think that if things break just right, multiple conferences will be in a bidding war for us, and we are only a power conference invite away from dominating the collegiate athletic landscape. And AAC fans think there will be a P6.

TL;DR : Fans gonna fan. It's great fun.

(03-02-2015 12:31 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  If Notre Dame fully joins ACC, then Cincy probably gets in.

West Virginia is hated by some in the ACC.
Vanderbilt wouldn't do anything for the TV people.
Tenner ain't leaving the SEC for the ACC.
Navy would be a hard sell over more valuable properties.
Northwestern/Purdue just don't seem to fit the ACC mold IMHO.
Penn State: B1G expanded around PSU for the reason of not losing them.
UConn: BC would block that one.

Northwestern does, but I can't think of anyone whose situation would be improved by Northwestern joining the ACC (besides Northwestern, of course).

(03-02-2015 12:08 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Makes zero sense in any way.

1. Notre Dame is not an independent because they value the NBC contract. They are an independent because their alumni (including the big money ones) vastly prefer independence to the point it would effect donations severely if the Irish gave it up.
2. How exactly does NBC end up with the rights? The ACC has a long term contract with ESPN giving them almost everything. Setting it up with NBC would mean buying all that back from ESPN (good luck). Even if there was an once of truth to this, it would likely be far easier to buy out the NBC contract.

Well, if Notre Dame joins, NBC will continue to hold the rights to Notre Dame games through 2025. So, NBC would have the 6-7 single most valuable AAC games. Additionally, Raycom has a deal with the ACC and ESPN that grants Raycom the ACC digital and corporate sponsorship rights as well as the rights to 31 football games and 60 live basketball games. Thus, any AAC network is going to require an agreement or some sort of shared network ownership between the ACC, ESPN, NBC, and Raycom.

Clearly, NBC is the smallest stakeholder, so it seems weird that they would host the network----but is it really? For one---does ESPN really want to host an ACC Network? It seems like ESPN has been dragging their feet on the project and has always appeared a bit hesitant on that front. The SEC and Pac-12 Networks both struggled with carriage issues----and cable companies have been pushing back harder against rate increases. Perhaps ESPN is concerned and this is where they see NBC as the sponsor carrier making sense.

NBC is owned by Comcast, a cable company. Thus, this would guarantee that any new AAC Network would come out of the shoot with a carriage agreement with Comcast, the largest cable company in the nation. That reduces the risk of starting a network significantly.

If the new network is structured as a joint venture between the ACC, ESPN, NBC, and Raycom---I think the rumor might actually make some sense. As for why Notre Dame might make such a move---It could be that they, like the Big 12, see themselves being boxed out of the playoff because they have no 13th game to push them over the top. I could also see the Irish wanting Navy as their partner in the ACC---since making Navy a conference game would open up an additional OOC slot for them.


Article discussing the Raycom Rights
http://www.whatyoupayforsports.com/2013/...c-network/

This rumor says the ACC will leave ESPN for NBC.

Ok.

A basketball-centric conference pissing off ESPN? What a great idea! That always pays off in the long run.

Source: the Big East

(03-02-2015 01:37 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Hey, it is much more fun to let the conversation go a few more pages with the ACC guys all telling each other they have a shot at pulling Penn State from The Big Ten.

(03-02-2015 01:55 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  Penn St? Man, the dream weavers in ACC land have been throwing around for weeks that Texas and Tennessee are on the horizon any minute now.

Moral of the story? Everyone thinks they are better than they really are. The Big 12 is convinced everything is great while repeating to themselves in their padded Texas cell how much per team revenue they distribute. The ACC is convinced they will finally get out of the SEC and Big Tens shadow and become the nations conference. The Big 10 is convinced that the 90s will be back before you know it. The SEC is convinced that if they can just chant their conference name, people will overlook how much of a mess their own schools shortcomings are. And the Pac 12 thinks if the east coast would stop their conspiracy theory against the west coast, they would finally get the respect they deserve.

Oh and yes, UC fans think that if things break just right, multiple conferences will be in a bidding war for us, and we are only a power conference invite away from dominating the collegiate athletic landscape. And AAC fans think there will be a P6.

TL;DR : Fans gonna fan. It's great fun.

I learned my lesson from Maryland: Money trumps everything else. No matter how much fans would object to the move today, they will talk themselves into it in a year or two. Because the alternative is find another team to root for. And that almost never happens. Maryland was a charter member of the ACC. They had a conference which was a way more competitive fit for non-revenue sports, a better fit academically, with hugely more tradition, direct access and publicity in all the biggest recruiting grounds of the eastern seaboard except overfished Ohio in football and NYC in basketball (which came on at the end through Cuse), all historical and geographic rivals other than Navy and WV, and the ability to pull rank with the academic hoops schools to block a football power they didn't want in conference expansion. Literally the ONLY way the B1G is a better fit for Maryland is short term revenue gain out of the conference. The majority of their fans didn't want it at the outset. And they went anyway.

The place where the ACC has it over all the other conferences is in TV potential. Will the ACCN be able to exploit that revenue resource? The jury is out. But if by 2020 the ACC is #1 in revenue per team thanks to the enormous number of TVs within the ACC footprint ... all bets are off. Penn State would be on the table. Tennessee would be on the table. I'd prefer the Vols with ND personally. But I could live with both PSU and UT with ND maintaining their existing deal.

ACC Coastal South: Miami, FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech
ACC Coastal North: UNC, NC State, Wake Forest, Duke
ACC Atlantic South: Tennessee, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Louisville
ACC Atlantic North: Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College, (Notre Dame/Penn State)

YES PLEASE.

That is the scenario that UC needs, but that sounds like a message board story.

Many on the UC board have stated that our AD pretty much said that right now the only conference that is showing real interest is the B12. It could happen by April or 6 years from now.

I am not saying that UC doesn't have the occasional conversation with the ACC, send out a nice Christmas card etc. But no one in UC's camp have mentioned the ACC at all, so this is probably a nice phishing expedition.

That being said, I wish it were true. Probably 85%+ fans if they had a choice pick the ACC over the B12.

NBC owns the Golf Channel, MSNBC, CNBC, NBCSN, and Comcast Sports Net (NBC regional network).

NBC has one NFL game, Notre Dame, the NHL, the Premiere League, PGA, and THE OLYMPICS.

We know that MSNBC's ratings are very low.

It doesn't seem too out of the question to see that NBC could use a conference like the ACC to fill out their programming. It doesn't seem too out of the question that some networks get re-branded with sports programming because it is the only programming that the viewer will watch commercials.

(03-01-2015 11:34 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 10:31 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I guess you do have the BYU AD comments. If the acc were jumping to 16 with ND, the most likely picks would be

Uconn
Cincy
WVU- get a deal with the big 12 to release them and take byu.

Of course that would be after calling some of these:

Penn State
Texas
Florida
UGA
Kentucky
South Carolina
BYU- football only
Navy- football only

Pedo State makes sense.

Texas comes with too much baggage and is a nightmare in non-revenue sports.

Florida does not give the ACC new TV sets. UGAg does not give the ACC new TV sets, and the academic schools of the ACC would block it. South Carolina does not give the ACC new TV sets. Kentucky would have a hard time getting in from the FB schools. If the ACC is going to get somebody out of the SEC it is going to be Tennessee. They're a pre-existing rival with Georgia Tech. They are a natural rival for Virginia Tech and Clemson and even Louisville. And they are located reasonably well within the existing ACC footprint. They bring online two major new markets (Nashville, Knoxville) the ACC does not presently have. Their basketball program is good enough for the tobacco road schools. If it is from the SEC, mark my words, it will be Tennessee.

BYU: Put down the crack pipe.

Navy: Only if ND demanded it as a condition of entry to the conference would that even be considered ... and that would likely be paired with Georgetown for scheduling reasons.

I'm hearing Vandy.

(03-02-2015 04:02 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 01:37 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Hey, it is much more fun to let the conversation go a few more pages with the ACC guys all telling each other they have a shot at pulling Penn State from The Big Ten.

(03-02-2015 01:55 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  Penn St? Man, the dream weavers in ACC land have been throwing around for weeks that Texas and Tennessee are on the horizon any minute now.

Moral of the story? Everyone thinks they are better than they really are. The Big 12 is convinced everything is great while repeating to themselves in their padded Texas cell how much per team revenue they distribute. The ACC is convinced they will finally get out of the SEC and Big Tens shadow and become the nations conference. The Big 10 is convinced that the 90s will be back before you know it. The SEC is convinced that if they can just chant their conference name, people will overlook how much of a mess their own schools shortcomings are. And the Pac 12 thinks if the east coast would stop their conspiracy theory against the west coast, they would finally get the respect they deserve.

Oh and yes, UC fans think that if things break just right, multiple conferences will be in a bidding war for us, and we are only a power conference invite away from dominating the collegiate athletic landscape. And AAC fans think there will be a P6.

TL;DR : Fans gonna fan. It's great fun.

I learned my lesson from Maryland: Money trumps everything else. No matter how much fans would object to the move today, they will talk themselves into it in a year or two. Because the alternative is find another team to root for. And that almost never happens. Maryland was a charter member of the ACC. They had a conference which was a way more competitive fit for non-revenue sports, a better fit academically, with hugely more tradition, direct access and publicity in all the biggest recruiting grounds of the eastern seaboard except overfished Ohio in football and NYC in basketball (which came on at the end through Cuse), all historical and geographic rivals other than Navy and WV, and the ability to pull rank with the academic hoops schools to block a football power they didn't want in conference expansion. Literally the ONLY way the B1G is a better fit for Maryland is short term revenue gain out of the conference. The majority of their fans didn't want it at the outset. And they went anyway.

The place where the ACC has it over all the other conferences is in TV potential. Will the ACCN be able to exploit that revenue resource? The jury is out. But if by 2020 the ACC is #1 in revenue per team thanks to the enormous number of TVs within the ACC footprint ... all bets are off. Penn State would be on the table. Tennessee would be on the table. I'd prefer the Vols with ND personally. But I could live with both PSU and UT with ND maintaining their existing deal.

ACC Coastal South: Miami, FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech
ACC Coastal North: UNC, NC State, Wake Forest, Duke
ACC Atlantic South: Tennessee, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Louisville
ACC Atlantic North: Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College, (Notre Dame/Penn State)

YES PLEASE.

Sorry but the ACC is not a better fit academically for Maryland. If you think that is the case then you did not learn your lesson very well. The ACC used to be a better academic fit but it has gone down a road away from Maryland's academic identity while the Big Ten is a perfect fit academically for Maryland.

As for the rest of your story? Nice story. Penn State decides that an ACCN is the thing that draws them despite now having Maryland and Rutgers in conference with them? Very nice story. Just don't get yourself too worked up for this to happen bud. I do believe an ACCN is coming but it being the tipping point that draws out Penn State from the conference it wanted to be in to the conference it didn't want to be in? It's a nice dream I suppose but not very realistic. It wont make them more than the Big Ten Network and it will cost them a whole hell of a lot to make that switch.

(03-02-2015 04:38 AM)bearcat29 Wrote:  That is the scenario that UC needs, but that sounds like a message board story.

Many on the UC board have stated that our AD pretty much said that right now the only conference that is showing real interest is the B12. It could happen by April or 6 years from now.

I am not saying that UC doesn't have the occasional conversation with the ACC, send out a nice Christmas card etc. But no one in UC's camp have mentioned the ACC at all, so this is probably a nice phishing expedition.

That being said, I wish it were true. Probably 85%+ fans if they had a choice pick the ACC over the B12.

While I agree that all of the recent speculation has been about Cincy to the Big 12, this ACC Network is being developed concurrently with little public fanfare.

Amusing that much talk has focused on Cincinnati as a geographic bridge to West Virginia. ND (as a full member) plus Cincinnati completes a contiguous state bridge from Indiana to Kentucky to Ohio to Pennsylvania establishing even closer geographic rivalries and giving the ACC a real presence in B10 country.

The benchmarking that the UC AD has presented in recent months compared Cincinnati's position in the AAC with both the B12 and ACC. So perhaps there will be an unexpected turn of events when realignment resumes.