(02-18-2015 11:46 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(02-18-2015 11:11 AM)uccheese Wrote:  

(02-18-2015 10:06 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I don't think this rumor holds, but would give it a low percentage and wouldn't be shocked either. Lets say 10% chance.

This would send a huge ripple through the G5.

- Who is Big East #12 in that scenario? St. Louis?

- Where does UConn put their football program? MAC? Drop it to FCS?

- AAC loses three, does that tumble all the way down to Sun Belt extinction? Sun Belt has 11, but really only 9 with Idaho and NMSU eventually going elsewhere. AAC grabs three from CUSA, CUSA grabs 2, 3, or 4 (sans UAB) from Sun Belt and they are down to 5 like the WAC.... An AAC without Cincy, UConn, and UCF would just have the original CUSA 2.0 reform.

- What does Temple do in that scenario? Back to A10? What about UMass? Does UMass try to follow UConn's lead into the Big East? Would the Big East want them? What would UMass do with football?

That rumor, if true, would send a lot of G5 pieces in motion...


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I don't think it's that complicated other than UConn. For everyone else, the answer is the AAC picks a couple new teams from CUSA/MAC/etc. Maybe Marshall and Buffalo?

UConn MIGHT consider basketball only somewhere at that point, but who knows.

I don't see Marshall getting in over Ohio for the AAC.

For one, Ohio is light years ahead of Marshall academically. For two, Ohio has the state name of a highly populated state, for three Ohio's facilities are generally better particularly basketball. For four Ohio's enrollment is 4 times Marshalls.

Now Marshall may have beat us to getting into CUSA 10 years ago but that was before a new pro athletic president at Ohio.

The question is more would Ohio still be interested in a move to the AAC without UCF, UC and UConn. My guess if they offer Buffalo too we would go but not without at least 1 other MAC school.

Miami has a better shot at the AAC than Marshall also. They could do both Ohio and Miami if they question how viable Buffalo will be on the recruiting front.

I respect Ohio a lot and I think they would be on the short list for consideration. My main thought was that some Mac schools such as Ohio/Miami are probably worth more together than they are apart and I don't see the AAC wanting to take extra teams.

wavefan12, I'm inclined to agree with your assessment. During and since the last B12 expansion (WVU, TCU) I've always heard Tulane mentioned prominently in numerous reports for many of the reasons you've shared. Biggest question in my mind: will the B12 even add one or two schools in the next two years or will they completely restructure their next TV deal and move to 14 or 16 schools? We may know soon...or not.

(02-18-2015 01:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2015 12:40 PM)jskwrite Wrote:  If the best of the rest were smart they'd all create a new conference with your BYU, Colorado State, Boise, Cincy, UConn, UCF and other top G5 schools would create their own football-only conference to compete with the P5... the Old Big East came the closest

The Big East didn't get close to this, as the Big East was strictly a northeast-quadrant football league with USF way down south by its lonesome.

I'm talking about Big East signing, then losing, TCU and Boise.

(02-18-2015 12:40 PM)jskwrite Wrote:  If the best of the rest were smart they'd all create a new conference with your BYU, Colorado State, Boise, Cincy, UConn, UCF and other top G5 schools would create their own football-only conference to compete with the P5.

Setting aside for a moment that it isn't clear that forming a new conference would be permitted under current NCAA rules, how would such a conference compete with the P5 in a way that they aren't already doing? That's not going to give them a contract with a NY6 bowl, or a spot in the playoff. They might get a little better TV deal than they have collectively now. But in exchange, they'd all have to find homes for their other sports, in conferences they have just sabotaged or in even lesser leagues.

They would be just another G5 conference.

(02-18-2015 02:00 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(02-18-2015 12:15 PM)jskwrite Wrote:  

(02-18-2015 12:11 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(02-18-2015 07:52 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 07:24 PM)goofus Wrote:  The AAC pecking order was clearly established by the Big East selection order although I think there are some exceptions like Temple and USF that were picked sooner than they should have, and the order changes depending on which conference is expanding

Big 12 expansion candidates from AAC
1. Cincy
2. Memphis
3. UCF
4. USF
5. Tulane
6. Uconn
7. ECU
But Houston, SMU, Tulsa are off limits to Big 12.

ACC expansion candidates from AAC
1. Cincy
2. UCONN
3. Houston
4. SMU
But ECU, USF, UCF are off limits to ACC

Tulane and Memphis would be considered by the ACC as well.
In fact, Tulane has some sentimental support.

Conferences want to be in New Orleans. Premier destination city, perhaps the marquee NCAA city in the country, growing, always top 5 in TV rating for any FBall event etc. If Tulane ever got their act together on the field/court they would easily jump to the top 3-4 for the B12 and ACC. That, however, is a big if....

Currently New Orleans isn't a wealthy city (it could change - let's not get into the politics on that one) so there is less value than a Miami or Atlanta or more "wealthy" (think disposable income for tickets and merchandise) than in New Orleans plus, unlike Atlanta or Jacksonville or Tampa, the NFL team runs the town as far as sports are concerned. Tulane's upside is that of a lesser Vanderbilt. Academics are too important to be a top tier P5 school. Could they be a Wake Forest ? Perhaps.

But Miami and Atlanta are disjointed cities (meaning the people are from all over) with no viable G5 team to offer up. NOLA has more wealth than you realize as you are either terribly poor or pretty well off here. Yes the metro area is smallish but rabid sports fans. It would provide options to host championship games in the Dome/Arena and provide fans perhaps the #1 place that any college fan would travel to, not to mention people would be willing to come back every two years. AAU/research access is a plus. If we say had anywhere near the success that TCU had (before the B12 invite) or say what Cincy has done, we may actually already be in the B12/ACC.

I have to use not just program growth potential but growth. Louisville jumped into the P5 because they did things better than anyone. TCU was a fringe P5 school that just lost the leap-frog of the SWC demise. BYU is P5 ready already. UConn has proven they built a nothing program in basketball into the best program in the past 20 years in basketball and they went from a sub-par FCS school to a middle-of-the-pack P5 (P6 then) school in football. USF went from nothing to at one point being a top 5 (albeit mid-season) team in football. That's why these are better contenders than Tulane... I don't see the history of program building... I just see that they were in the SEC a long time ago.

Tulane only can compare to Rutgers as far as the other schools to jump recently into P5 - but Rutgers had the NYC metro area and a better football program (granted, a lot of that was a Schiano mirror because they won nothing before or after him... but that's a whole other issue.. plus Tulane has a new football stadium while Rutgers has embarrassing P5 facilities).

(02-17-2015 04:27 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

Awesome movie; loved it

While I don't see the ACC expanding any time in the near future. If ND joined, I don't think it will be UCONN. Swofford wants new TV markets not existing. Texas would get the first offer followed by Baylor. If the ACC pulled a team from the AAC, it would probably be SMU or Houston. I think if B10 goes to 16, UCONN would be an excellent add but not sure who would be 16th team.

(02-18-2015 03:08 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-18-2015 12:40 PM)jskwrite Wrote:  If the best of the rest were smart they'd all create a new conference with your BYU, Colorado State, Boise, Cincy, UConn, UCF and other top G5 schools would create their own football-only conference to compete with the P5.

Setting aside for a moment that it isn't clear that forming a new conference would be permitted under current NCAA rules, how would such a conference compete with the P5 in a way that they aren't already doing? That's not going to give them a contract with a NY6 bowl, or a spot in the playoff. They might get a little better TV deal than they have collectively now. But in exchange, they'd all have to find homes for their other sports, in conferences they have just sabotaged or in even lesser leagues.

They would be just another G5 conference.

What is clear under the rules is that you can't have a football-only conference at the FBS level. An FBS conference has to have a minimum of 8 members that play together in all sports. That requirement, along with the problem of any new FBS entity being excluded from the CFP contract, pretty much precludes the formation of a national G5 best-of-the-rest conference.

I think the only possibility of something like a G5 best-of-the-rest conference emerging would be if the Big 12 raided the AAC and the MWC took advantage of the AAC's resulting weakness to add selected left-behind AAC schools as football-only members.

(02-18-2015 06:08 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  While I don't see the ACC expanding any time in the near future. If ND joined, I don't think it will be UCONN. Swofford wants new TV markets not existing. Texas would get the first offer followed by Baylor. If the ACC pulled a team from the AAC, it would probably be SMU or Houston. I think if B10 goes to 16, UCONN would be an excellent add but not sure who would be 16th team.

Kansas.

Excellent chocie but I was assuming B12 did not lose any teams. Was looking at the G5 pool.

(02-18-2015 06:08 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  While I don't see the ACC expanding any time in the near future. If ND joined, I don't think it will be UCONN. Swofford wants new TV markets not existing. Texas would get the first offer followed by Baylor. If the ACC pulled a team from the AAC, it would probably be SMU or Houston. I think if B10 goes to 16, UCONN would be an excellent add but not sure who would be 16th team.

Put down the jug of Drano and step away...

Did I say the accept? I said Swofford would offer those two. He has wanted the Texas market and tried for Texas when the B12 was looking like it would implode. Again for the ACC to go to 16, ND would be a full member and I don't see that happening anytime soon.

(02-17-2015 11:45 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  ^^^ this seems more likely than b12 expansion. The b12 seems content to wait for disaster before expansion.

Kinda like the POTUS, nothing going on here, nope, nothing to worry about, nothing at all.

(02-17-2015 04:52 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Memphis before UCF.

There are plenty of reasons why UCF (SMU and Houston too), were invited to join the Big East well before Memphis finally got their invite.

Same will be true in the future.

Follow the TV $$$ (i.e. Orlando, Houston, Dallas > Memphis)

(02-18-2015 06:08 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  While I don't see the ACC expanding any time in the near future. If ND joined, I don't think it will be UCONN. Swofford wants new TV markets not existing. Texas would get the first offer followed by Baylor. If the ACC pulled a team from the AAC, it would probably be SMU or Houston. I think if B10 goes to 16, UCONN would be an excellent add but not sure who would be 16th team.

FYI no one in CT cares about the ACC unless Uconn is in it. If you think BC has any interest level in CT it is only to throw stuff at them or laugh at them as they bumble away another ACC season. Other then that no one watches anything to do with the ACC. I and most make an effort to not watch them at all if anything.

(02-19-2015 08:35 AM)mike012779 Wrote:  

(02-18-2015 06:08 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  While I don't see the ACC expanding any time in the near future. If ND joined, I don't think it will be UCONN. Swofford wants new TV markets not existing. Texas would get the first offer followed by Baylor. If the ACC pulled a team from the AAC, it would probably be SMU or Houston. I think if B10 goes to 16, UCONN would be an excellent add but not sure who would be 16th team.

FYI no one in CT cares about the ACC unless Uconn is in it. If you think BC has any interest level in CT it is only to throw stuff at them or laugh at them as they bumble away another ACC season. Other then that no one watches anything to do with the ACC. I and most make an effort to not watch them at all if anything.

You guys are starting to sound like WV fans now.

(02-19-2015 09:16 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 08:35 AM)mike012779 Wrote:  

(02-18-2015 06:08 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  While I don't see the ACC expanding any time in the near future. If ND joined, I don't think it will be UCONN. Swofford wants new TV markets not existing. Texas would get the first offer followed by Baylor. If the ACC pulled a team from the AAC, it would probably be SMU or Houston. I think if B10 goes to 16, UCONN would be an excellent add but not sure who would be 16th team.

FYI no one in CT cares about the ACC unless Uconn is in it. If you think BC has any interest level in CT it is only to throw stuff at them or laugh at them as they bumble away another ACC season. Other then that no one watches anything to do with the ACC. I and most make an effort to not watch them at all if anything.

You guys are starting to sound like WV fans now.

Oh please.

The ACC poster claiming Connecticut is ACC territory might as well call himself TheDudeOfNC

(02-19-2015 09:19 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 09:16 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 08:35 AM)mike012779 Wrote:  

(02-18-2015 06:08 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  While I don't see the ACC expanding any time in the near future. If ND joined, I don't think it will be UCONN. Swofford wants new TV markets not existing. Texas would get the first offer followed by Baylor. If the ACC pulled a team from the AAC, it would probably be SMU or Houston. I think if B10 goes to 16, UCONN would be an excellent add but not sure who would be 16th team.

FYI no one in CT cares about the ACC unless Uconn is in it. If you think BC has any interest level in CT it is only to throw stuff at them or laugh at them as they bumble away another ACC season. Other then that no one watches anything to do with the ACC. I and most make an effort to not watch them at all if anything.

You guys are starting to sound like WV fans now.

Oh please.

The ACC poster claiming Connecticut is ACC territory might as well call himself TheDudeOfNC

I watched Cincinnati-Xavier at 7PM (instead of Cuse-Louisville) then switched to Empire at 9PM. No Duke-UNC for me either.

(02-19-2015 09:25 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 09:19 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 09:16 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 08:35 AM)mike012779 Wrote:  

(02-18-2015 06:08 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  While I don't see the ACC expanding any time in the near future. If ND joined, I don't think it will be UCONN. Swofford wants new TV markets not existing. Texas would get the first offer followed by Baylor. If the ACC pulled a team from the AAC, it would probably be SMU or Houston. I think if B10 goes to 16, UCONN would be an excellent add but not sure who would be 16th team.

FYI no one in CT cares about the ACC unless Uconn is in it. If you think BC has any interest level in CT it is only to throw stuff at them or laugh at them as they bumble away another ACC season. Other then that no one watches anything to do with the ACC. I and most make an effort to not watch them at all if anything.

You guys are starting to sound like WV fans now.

Oh please.

The ACC poster claiming Connecticut is ACC territory might as well call himself TheDudeOfNC

I watched Cincinnati-Xavier at 7PM (instead of Cuse-Louisville) then switched to Empire at 9PM. No Duke-UNC for me either.

Suits >>>>> Empire

(02-19-2015 09:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 09:25 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 09:19 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 09:16 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 08:35 AM)mike012779 Wrote:  FYI no one in CT cares about the ACC unless Uconn is in it. If you think BC has any interest level in CT it is only to throw stuff at them or laugh at them as they bumble away another ACC season. Other then that no one watches anything to do with the ACC. I and most make an effort to not watch them at all if anything.

You guys are starting to sound like WV fans now.

Oh please.

The ACC poster claiming Connecticut is ACC territory might as well call himself TheDudeOfNC

I watched Cincinnati-Xavier at 7PM (instead of Cuse-Louisville) then switched to Empire at 9PM. No Duke-UNC for me either.

Suits >>>>> Empire

You crazy, Boo Boo Kitty...