(02-13-2015 08:51 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  It is purely about stirring the pot to get hits on your tweets. You have to have volume.

Its not typical for McMurphy, so I strongly doubt that.

(02-13-2015 10:21 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 10:14 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 06:30 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Intra-G5 expansion/movement would not typically count as a "shake up" worthy of a McMurphy tweet. And certainly not something Jeff Long would allude to.

And intra-P5 movement would be a huge deal, not a "little bit of a shake up."

This has to be P5 raiding of G5/BYU. The Big 12 is on deck.

I agree with this thought and also lines up with why all of a sudden the ACC views BYU as an acceptable P5 quality opponent now. Many possibilities though.

BYU / Colorado State (huge new investment in sports, get Big XII back in Colorado with a team better than the Buffs) would be a good guess.

BYU / Colorado State to Big XII gives them 12
UTEP replaces Colorado State in MWC to get them back to 12
UAB and UTEP gone in C-USA to get them to 12.

"minor" shakeup in realignment and makes a ton of sense for all involved.

NMSU would be in before UTEP. UTEP still wants to be with the Texas CUSA schools.

Nmsu has zero chance of being added to the mwc

(02-12-2015 02:54 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From Miko's sources: Maryland is recognizing what a horrible mistake they made, will be jumping back to the ACC, likely dragging Penn State with them (sorry, Rutgers - I know that leaves you on an island).

#speed_gained

(02-13-2015 11:37 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  People are way over-estimating BYU's so called 'national' following. They don't do anything ratings wise and in fact a few MW games that don't include Boise St had larger viewership than BYU.

I don't think ESPN is over-estimating BYU's so called 'national' following...which is why ESPN is paying BYU approx $5 - $6 Million per year to televise their home games...more than double what most teams in MWC/AAC/CUSA, etc...get from their TV networks.

ESPN is paying the $$$ to BYU just to reach BYU's audience (middle to upper income too).

(02-14-2015 11:45 PM)billings Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 10:21 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 10:14 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 06:30 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Intra-G5 expansion/movement would not typically count as a "shake up" worthy of a McMurphy tweet. And certainly not something Jeff Long would allude to.

And intra-P5 movement would be a huge deal, not a "little bit of a shake up."

This has to be P5 raiding of G5/BYU. The Big 12 is on deck.

I agree with this thought and also lines up with why all of a sudden the ACC views BYU as an acceptable P5 quality opponent now. Many possibilities though.

BYU / Colorado State (huge new investment in sports, get Big XII back in Colorado with a team better than the Buffs) would be a good guess.

BYU / Colorado State to Big XII gives them 12
UTEP replaces Colorado State in MWC to get them back to 12
UAB and UTEP gone in C-USA to get them to 12.

"minor" shakeup in realignment and makes a ton of sense for all involved.

NMSU would be in before UTEP. UTEP still wants to be with the Texas CUSA schools.

Nmsu has zero chance of being added to the mwc

Everyday that NMSU wakes up and still has a athletics programs is a good day. They really should move down to FCS or Division 2.

(02-14-2015 11:45 PM)billings Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 10:21 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 10:14 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 06:30 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Intra-G5 expansion/movement would not typically count as a "shake up" worthy of a McMurphy tweet. And certainly not something Jeff Long would allude to.

And intra-P5 movement would be a huge deal, not a "little bit of a shake up."

This has to be P5 raiding of G5/BYU. The Big 12 is on deck.

I agree with this thought and also lines up with why all of a sudden the ACC views BYU as an acceptable P5 quality opponent now. Many possibilities though.

BYU / Colorado State (huge new investment in sports, get Big XII back in Colorado with a team better than the Buffs) would be a good guess.

BYU / Colorado State to Big XII gives them 12
UTEP replaces Colorado State in MWC to get them back to 12
UAB and UTEP gone in C-USA to get them to 12.

"minor" shakeup in realignment and makes a ton of sense for all involved.

NMSU would be in before UTEP. UTEP still wants to be with the Texas CUSA schools.

Nmsu has zero chance of being added to the mwc

I wouldn't say zero. If Hawaii craps out or a MW team gets pulled into the Big 12. They'll be added.

(02-17-2015 08:13 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 11:37 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  People are way over-estimating BYU's so called 'national' following. They don't do anything ratings wise and in fact a few MW games that don't include Boise St had larger viewership than BYU.

I don't think ESPN is over-estimating BYU's so called 'national' following...which is why ESPN is paying BYU approx $5 - $6 Million per year to televise their home games...more than double what most teams in MWC/AAC/CUSA, etc...get from their TV networks.

ESPN is paying the $$$ to BYU just to reach BYU's audience (middle to upper income too).

Right. It might not be a "national" audience, but ESPN knows the audience size and is paying for it appropriately. The amount they are paying for BYU home game rights, an average of about $1 million per game, is a far lower average per game than P5 conferences get. Pac-12, for example, gets an average of $4.4 to 4.7 million per football game from ESPN and Fox for the contract signed in 2010, depending on how you do the math. If the Big Ten sells 50-60% of its football games to ESPN or Fox in its 2016 TV deal and keeps the rest for BTN, they might get an average of about $5 million/game for the games they sell to ESPN or Fox, or five times what BYU gets. So BYU gets more per-game on average than G5 conferences, but far less than P5 leagues, and that makes sense given the audience sizes.

(02-17-2015 12:11 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 08:13 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 11:37 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  People are way over-estimating BYU's so called 'national' following. They don't do anything ratings wise and in fact a few MW games that don't include Boise St had larger viewership than BYU.

I don't think ESPN is over-estimating BYU's so called 'national' following...which is why ESPN is paying BYU approx $5 - $6 Million per year to televise their home games...more than double what most teams in MWC/AAC/CUSA, etc...get from their TV networks.

ESPN is paying the $$$ to BYU just to reach BYU's audience (middle to upper income too).

Right. It might not be a "national" audience, but ESPN knows the audience size and is paying for it appropriately. The amount they are paying for BYU home game rights, an average of about $1 million per game, is a far lower average per game than P5 conferences get. Pac-12, for example, gets an average of $4.4 to 4.7 million per football game from ESPN and Fox for the contract signed in 2010, depending on how you do the math. If the Big Ten sells 50-60% of its football games to ESPN or Fox in its 2016 TV deal and keeps the rest for BTN, they might get an average of about $5 million/game for the games they sell to ESPN or Fox, or five times what BYU gets. So BYU gets more per-game on average than G5 conferences, but far less than P5 leagues, and that makes sense given the audience sizes.

FWIW, if BYU played more name teams, that payout would go up. In other words, BYU v. USC, O, UW, UCLA, Cal, etc. is worth more than BYU v. MWC/CUSA with a P5 game or two sprinkled in the mix.

It's also worth noting that the LDS uses BYU football to promote their message, so the BYU AD is not necessarily maximizing their revenue.

That said, your point might still stand.

(02-17-2015 12:11 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 08:13 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 11:37 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  People are way over-estimating BYU's so called 'national' following. They don't do anything ratings wise and in fact a few MW games that don't include Boise St had larger viewership than BYU.

I don't think ESPN is over-estimating BYU's so called 'national' following...which is why ESPN is paying BYU approx $5 - $6 Million per year to televise their home games...more than double what most teams in MWC/AAC/CUSA, etc...get from their TV networks.

ESPN is paying the $$$ to BYU just to reach BYU's audience (middle to upper income too).

Right. It might not be a "national" audience, but ESPN knows the audience size and is paying for it appropriately. The amount they are paying for BYU home game rights, an average of about $1 million per game, is a far lower average per game than P5 conferences get. Pac-12, for example, gets an average of $4.4 to 4.7 million per football game from ESPN and Fox for the contract signed in 2010, depending on how you do the math. If the Big Ten sells 50-60% of its football games to ESPN or Fox in its 2016 TV deal and keeps the rest for BTN, they might get an average of about $5 million/game for the games they sell to ESPN or Fox, or five times what BYU gets. So BYU gets more per-game on average than G5 conferences, but far less than P5 leagues, and that makes sense given the audience sizes.

I'm sure ESPN made a guess at first, but we'll see if the past 3 years of data will sustain. Last year BYU home games average 900k viewers, prior year was 1.3 million. So I guess paying $1/viewer which is roughly about the amount ESPN is paying for BYU home games. I'm sure they know if they are able to recover that cost in advertising.

So has he really disclosed anything or is he fishing?

(02-13-2015 10:14 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 06:30 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Intra-G5 expansion/movement would not typically count as a "shake up" worthy of a McMurphy tweet. And certainly not something Jeff Long would allude to.

And intra-P5 movement would be a huge deal, not a "little bit of a shake up."

This has to be P5 raiding of G5/BYU. The Big 12 is on deck.

I agree with this thought and also lines up with why all of a sudden the ACC views BYU as an acceptable P5 quality opponent now. Many possibilities though.

BYU / Colorado State (huge new investment in sports, get Big XII back in Colorado with a team better than the Buffs) would be a good guess.

BYU / Colorado State to Big XII gives them 12
UTEP replaces Colorado State in MWC to get them back to 12
UAB and UTEP gone in C-USA to get them to 12.

"minor" shakeup in realignment and makes a ton of sense for all involved.

Smart thinking.

Colorado St is in a state where the P5 school is very weak in football so its easy to push the B12 agenda in that state. That new stadium coming online is tremendous.

BYU has a P5 level following and a presence across the whole mountain west. Plus you don't have to split the pie with them in basketball.

Then with the backfills......UTEP to MWC makes a lot of sense for the Miners because the MWC has a much better TV situation and you can play in a division with Boise State. Also its a better basketball conference.

I couldn't imagine UTEP at this point wanting to be in a conference with WKU, MTSU, FAU and FIU over the MWC schools. Lack of Texas schools are an issue but the MWC could go to 14 someday later with UTSA/UNT once Rice leaves for the ACC.

(02-17-2015 04:35 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  ...MWC could go to 14 someday later with UTSA/UNT once Rice leaves for the ACC.

(02-17-2015 04:35 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Smart thinking.

Colorado St is in a state where the P5 school is very weak in football so its easy to push the B12 agenda in that state. That new stadium coming online is tremendous.

BYU has a P5 level following and a presence across the whole mountain west. Plus you don't have to split the pie with them in basketball.

Then with the backfills......UTEP to MWC makes a lot of sense for the Miners because the MWC has a much better TV situation and you can play in a division with Boise State. Also its a better basketball conference.

I couldn't imagine UTEP at this point wanting to be in a conference with WKU, MTSU, FAU and FIU over the MWC schools. Lack of Texas schools are an issue but the MWC could go to 14 someday later with UTSA/UNT once Rice leaves for the ACC.

Excuse me while I laugh a little.

I'll remind you that that weak P5 was the Big 12's Colorado Market. BYU has been bailed out. They do not need to be invited to a P5 conference, they are now P5. As for the Big 12 expanding west, to do so would hamstring the entire conference and not just WVU. They would create two islands and not just the one. So it's simply silly to continue this line of reasoning unless WVU is leaving the Big 12.

Then again, the Big 12 hasn't made any real smart moves in a while. So who knows.

(02-17-2015 09:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 04:35 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  ...MWC could go to 14 someday later with UTSA/UNT once Rice leaves for the ACC.

...MWC could go to 14 someday later with UTSA/UNT once Rice leaves for the ACC.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha This is a real comedy!

(02-17-2015 09:52 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 09:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 04:35 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  ...MWC could go to 14 someday later with UTSA/UNT once Rice leaves for the ACC.

...MWC could go to 14 someday later with UTSA/UNT once Rice leaves for the ACC.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha This is a real comedy!

Well if they were invited to join a division with UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, UVA, Miami and Notre Dame, Rice might consider it. FSU and Clemson, they probably wouldn't want that company.

If Cincinnati and Memphis leave, the AAC needs to disband and merge with the best of the MWC.

(02-17-2015 11:00 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If Cincinnati and Memphis leave, the AAC needs to disband and merge with the best of the MWC.

Nah. That gives the AAC to add the ability to add the best of the MWC to create the 'best of the rest':

East:

UConn
Temple
Navy
ECU
UCF
USF
Tulane
Tulsa

West:

SMU
Houston
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico
Boise State
Fresno State
San Diego State

Navy and Air force play guaranteed every year in conference.