(02-12-2015 07:43 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(02-12-2015 05:56 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Maybe Hawaii going Indy or dropping athletics.

http://www.kaleo.org/sports/uh-athletics...bs.twitter

Zero chance of either happening.

The UH administration and the Hawaii legislature are in a fight over how to cover the cost of the athletic program subsidy, which is smaller at UH than at most peer schools, but larger than in the past because Norm Chow's struggling football team is generating reduced ticket and donation revenue. The administration wants a special appropriation from the legislature to cover Title IX and travel subsidy expenses. The legislature wants UH to keep eating the costs out of its general funds.

The deficit forecasts and cost-cutting proposals being surfaced by the administration are meant to put pressure on the legislature. The strategy is as likely to backfire as it is to succeed. One thing for sure is that dropping football is no longer on the table, since despite the revenue decrease, it still makes money.

One thing that is different about the UH program is very few schools send out flyers and emails to alums touting a charter trip to Jonesboro, Arkansas or Auburn, Alabama or Tulsa, Oklahoma for a regular season football or basketball game with additional sightseeing included. That does happen with Hawaii.

Now in the grand scheme of tourism for the islands, it may be a rain drop in a hurricane but there just aren't many programs that bring that level of outside dollars to the community.

(02-13-2015 09:57 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-12-2015 03:54 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(02-12-2015 02:54 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From Miko's sources: Maryland is recognizing what a horrible mistake they made, will be jumping back to the ACC, likely dragging Penn State with them (sorry, Rutgers - I know that leaves you on an island).

So what would the divisions look like? This would be a kick in the nuts to the Big!

Now imagine Notre Dame joins for football and we also get Rutgers!

Boston College
Notre Dame
Syracuse
Rutgers
PSU
Pitt
Maryland
Virginia Tech
Virginia
Louisville
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
FSU
Miami

A hell of a well paid conference!

Better yet - Imagine that we don't get Rutgers!

yeah, sadexcuse doesn't need another guaranteed loss

(02-13-2015 06:30 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Intra-G5 expansion/movement would not typically count as a "shake up" worthy of a McMurphy tweet. And certainly not something Jeff Long would allude to.

And intra-P5 movement would be a huge deal, not a "little bit of a shake up."

This has to be P5 raiding of G5/BYU. The Big 12 is on deck.

I agree with this thought and also lines up with why all of a sudden the ACC views BYU as an acceptable P5 quality opponent now. Many possibilities though.

BYU / Colorado State (huge new investment in sports, get Big XII back in Colorado with a team better than the Buffs) would be a good guess.

BYU / Colorado State to Big XII gives them 12
UTEP replaces Colorado State in MWC to get them back to 12
UAB and UTEP gone in C-USA to get them to 12.

"minor" shakeup in realignment and makes a ton of sense for all involved.

(02-13-2015 10:14 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 06:30 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Intra-G5 expansion/movement would not typically count as a "shake up" worthy of a McMurphy tweet. And certainly not something Jeff Long would allude to.

And intra-P5 movement would be a huge deal, not a "little bit of a shake up."

This has to be P5 raiding of G5/BYU. The Big 12 is on deck.

I agree with this thought and also lines up with why all of a sudden the ACC views BYU as an acceptable P5 quality opponent now. Many possibilities though.

BYU / Colorado State (huge new investment in sports, get Big XII back in Colorado with a team better than the Buffs) would be a good guess.

BYU / Colorado State to Big XII gives them 12
UTEP replaces Colorado State in MWC to get them back to 12
UAB and UTEP gone in C-USA to get them to 12.

"minor" shakeup in realignment and makes a ton of sense for all involved.

NMSU would be in before UTEP. UTEP still wants to be with the Texas CUSA schools.

(02-12-2015 05:14 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  

(02-12-2015 02:45 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  He's just quoting Jeff Long from an XM interview...really nothing much of note.

SiriusXM College @SiriusXMCollege · 4h 4 hours ago
AUDIO: @CFBPlayoff Comm. Chairman Jeff Long Says Conference Expansion isn't done. https://soundcloud.com/siriusxmcollege/c...riusxm-csn … @GVMcElroy @TaylorZRadio

Listening to this, Long is saying its hard to predict but in the short term there may be some tweaking as 1. The effect of the college football playoff and 2. TV revenues for a conference.

I don't think he has the Sun Belt or CUSA in mind when he said that.

Brett McMurphy
‏@McMurphyESPN
@Epfourteen He’s probably just referring to C-USA and/or Sun Belt. Not a Power 5 league

(02-13-2015 10:14 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  BYU / Colorado State (huge new investment in sports, get Big XII back in Colorado with a team better than the Buffs) would be a good guess.

BYU / Colorado State to Big XII gives them 12

... makes a ton of sense for all involved.

Not as much sense as Cincinnati and Memphis, from the standpoint of geography, footprint and population density:

I. Distances (miles) from Austin, TX:

BYU @ 1280 compared to Cincinnati @ 1130
CSU @ 970 Compared to Memphis @ 650

II. State populations:

Utah @ 2.95 million compared to Tennessee @ 6.5 million
Colorado @ 5.36 million compared to Ohio @ 11.59 million

III. Cincinnati and Memphis improve the footprint dramatically. BYU and Colorado State leave a huge gap. There are good reasons why Big 12 Commissioner Bowlsby said any expansion would be to the east.

(02-13-2015 10:59 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 10:14 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  BYU / Colorado State (huge new investment in sports, get Big XII back in Colorado with a team better than the Buffs) would be a good guess.

BYU / Colorado State to Big XII gives them 12

... makes a ton of sense for all involved.

Not as much sense as Cincinnati and Memphis, from the standpoint of geography, footprint and population density:

I. Distances (miles) from Austin, TX:

BYU @ 1280 compared to Cincinnati @ 1130
CSU @ 970 Compared to Memphis @ 650

II. State populations:

Utah @ 2.95 million compared to Tennessee @ 6.5 million
Colorado @ 5.36 million compared to Ohio @ 11.59 million

III. Cincinnati and Memphis improve the footprint dramatically. BYU and Colorado State leave a huge gap.

I think you highlighted the single most important point in that discussion. UT is the only real consideration to be made.

(02-13-2015 10:59 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 10:14 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  BYU / Colorado State (huge new investment in sports, get Big XII back in Colorado with a team better than the Buffs) would be a good guess.

BYU / Colorado State to Big XII gives them 12

... makes a ton of sense for all involved.

Not as much sense as Cincinnati and Memphis, from the standpoint of geography, footprint and population density:

I. Distances (miles) from Austin, TX:

BYU @ 1280 compared to Cincinnati @ 1130
CSU @ 970 Compared to Memphis @ 650

II. State populations:

Utah @ 2.95 million compared to Tennessee @ 6.5 million
Colorado @ 5.36 million compared to Ohio @ 11.59 million

III. Cincinnati and Memphis improve the footprint dramatically. BYU and Colorado State leave a huge gap.

agree

(02-13-2015 10:59 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 10:14 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  BYU / Colorado State (huge new investment in sports, get Big XII back in Colorado with a team better than the Buffs) would be a good guess.

BYU / Colorado State to Big XII gives them 12

... makes a ton of sense for all involved.

Not as much sense as Cincinnati and Memphis, from the standpoint of geography, footprint and population density:

I. Distances (miles) from Austin, TX:

BYU @ 1280 compared to Cincinnati @ 1130
CSU @ 970 Compared to Memphis @ 650

II. State populations:

Utah @ 2.95 million compared to Tennessee @ 6.5 million
Colorado @ 5.36 million compared to Ohio @ 11.59 million

III. Cincinnati and Memphis improve the footprint dramatically. BYU and Colorado State leave a huge gap.

State population means nothing. BYU's slice of Utah's population and Colorado State's slice of Colorado's population is way bigger than Cincinnati's slice of Ohio's or Memphis slice of Tennessee. BYU is equal to Utah which is its only real competition in the state. Cincinnati is dwarfed by Ohio State and competes with 6 MAC schools for attention in Ohio not to mention Xavier and U of Dayton in basketball. BYU also has a national following that UC does not. BYU's slice of 3 million plus their national following is way bigger than UC's slice of 11 million in Ohio. Memphis is also dwarfed by UT and competes with Middle Tennessee.

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(02-13-2015 11:27 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 10:59 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 10:14 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  BYU / Colorado State (huge new investment in sports, get Big XII back in Colorado with a team better than the Buffs) would be a good guess.

BYU / Colorado State to Big XII gives them 12

... makes a ton of sense for all involved.

Not as much sense as Cincinnati and Memphis, from the standpoint of geography, footprint and population density:

I. Distances (miles) from Austin, TX:

BYU @ 1280 compared to Cincinnati @ 1130
CSU @ 970 Compared to Memphis @ 650

II. State populations:

Utah @ 2.95 million compared to Tennessee @ 6.5 million
Colorado @ 5.36 million compared to Ohio @ 11.59 million

III. Cincinnati and Memphis improve the footprint dramatically. BYU and Colorado State leave a huge gap.

State population means nothing. BYU's slice of Utah's population and Colorado State's slice of Colorado's population is way bigger than Cincinnati's slice of Ohio's or Memphis slice of Tennessee. BYU is equal to Utah which is its only real competition in the state. Cincinnati is dwarfed by Ohio State and competes with 6 MAC schools for attention in Ohio not to mention Xavier and U of Dayton in basketball. BYU also has a national following that UC does not. BYU's slice of 3 million plus their national following is way bigger than UC's slice of 11 million in Ohio. Memphis is also dwarfed by UT and competes with Middle Tennessee.

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People are way over-estimating BYU's so called 'national' following. They don't do anything ratings wise and in fact a few MW games that don't include Boise St had larger viewership than BYU.

My thinking regarding the Big XII.

Getting WVU off an island isn't a WVU concern. Adding a team out there way doesn't do a lot for the Mountaineers. The real benefit is conferred to the other Big XII members if they can bundle a trip in mens and womens hoops and volleyball.

Memphis and Cincinnati I have a hard time picturing them moving the needle much UNLESS Big XII is looking to add a network whether it be a traditional Big Ten / SEC style network, a hybrid like Pac-12, or something else we've not quite seen.

Basketball is more valuable in a conference network package than a traditional rights fee agreement because networks need content and hoops provides a lot of it.

(02-13-2015 11:27 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 10:59 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 10:14 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  BYU / Colorado State (huge new investment in sports, get Big XII back in Colorado with a team better than the Buffs) would be a good guess.

BYU / Colorado State to Big XII gives them 12

... makes a ton of sense for all involved.

Not as much sense as Cincinnati and Memphis, from the standpoint of geography, footprint and population density:

I. Distances (miles) from Austin, TX:

BYU @ 1280 compared to Cincinnati @ 1130
CSU @ 970 Compared to Memphis @ 650

II. State populations:

Utah @ 2.95 million compared to Tennessee @ 6.5 million
Colorado @ 5.36 million compared to Ohio @ 11.59 million

III. Cincinnati and Memphis improve the footprint dramatically. BYU and Colorado State leave a huge gap.

State population means nothing. BYU's slice of Utah's population and Colorado State's slice of Colorado's population is way bigger than Cincinnati's slice of Ohio's or Memphis slice of Tennessee. BYU is equal to Utah which is its only real competition in the state. Cincinnati is dwarfed by Ohio State and competes with 6 MAC schools for attention in Ohio not to mention Xavier and U of Dayton in basketball. BYU also has a national following that UC does not. BYU's slice of 3 million plus their national following is way bigger than UC's slice of 11 million in Ohio. Memphis is also dwarfed by UT and competes with Middle Tennessee.

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Huh? Yes, TN dwarfs everyone in east/mid TN, but it has been shown time and time again that the Memphis metro and even into W TN (1M+ pop) is UofM territory. One survey looked at car plate sales and merchandising data (IIRC) and more recently the NY Times fanbase poll showed W TN to be the only significant area of the state NOT dominated by UT. Not sure how they compete with MTSU. Funding yes, but any Nashville presence is pretty much nonexistant...mostly UT/Vandy though Tiger games are broadcast (radio) there. Really surprised that MTSU hasn't made a bigger dent in the city considering its' proximity.

This isn't related to UAB or CUSA.

(02-13-2015 02:42 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  This isn't related to UAB or CUSA.

are you "in the know"?

I could see this as being anything from UAB's replacement to James Madison, Missouri State, EKU, or Liberty getting the call up, to maybe the Big East exploring its options.

I could see some PAC school sponsorship of sports but no PAC and absorption by the B1G equivalent, opening the door down the line for renewed B1G-PAC discussions.

Stuff like NJIT to America East probably isn't worth even mentioning.

Should this involve CAA, though, like JMU leaving...the shakeup will be major. Not P5 big, but all along the FCS front and non-fb D1 hoops leagues, it's going to get interesting. CAA's going to get hurt somewhere down the line after that...and CAAF may be irreparably damaged if the full members can't talk sense into the non-fb members. Good news for Fairfield and maybe Monmouth in the short-term given the idiocy of schools like Hofstra, good for the Patriot and maybe America East down the line and their football operations (or potential ones), as it's all bad for CAAF after that.

Fresno State/SDSU to B12. California TV sets/recruiting. CA only has one P5 conference and 4 P5 programs. Lots of room for competition from another P5 conference tv wise. Fresno State plays in a 41k stadium. Architects just on campus to upgrade stadium amenities. Has recently built ($100 million in 2003) on-campus arena that would be one of the largest in capacity in the B12. Makes sense....

It's funny to see a random, ambiguous tweet result in so much navel gazing and reading of the tea leaves.

UCONN to the PAC-14.

(02-13-2015 11:45 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 11:27 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 10:59 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 10:14 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  BYU / Colorado State (huge new investment in sports, get Big XII back in Colorado with a team better than the Buffs) would be a good guess.

BYU / Colorado State to Big XII gives them 12

... makes a ton of sense for all involved.

Not as much sense as Cincinnati and Memphis, from the standpoint of geography, footprint and population density:

I. Distances (miles) from Austin, TX:

BYU @ 1280 compared to Cincinnati @ 1130
CSU @ 970 Compared to Memphis @ 650

II. State populations:

Utah @ 2.95 million compared to Tennessee @ 6.5 million
Colorado @ 5.36 million compared to Ohio @ 11.59 million

III. Cincinnati and Memphis improve the footprint dramatically. BYU and Colorado State leave a huge gap.

State population means nothing. BYU's slice of Utah's population and Colorado State's slice of Colorado's population is way bigger than Cincinnati's slice of Ohio's or Memphis slice of Tennessee. BYU is equal to Utah which is its only real competition in the state. Cincinnati is dwarfed by Ohio State and competes with 6 MAC schools for attention in Ohio not to mention Xavier and U of Dayton in basketball. BYU also has a national following that UC does not. BYU's slice of 3 million plus their national following is way bigger than UC's slice of 11 million in Ohio. Memphis is also dwarfed by UT and competes with Middle Tennessee.

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Huh? Yes, TN dwarfs everyone in east/mid TN, but it has been shown time and time again that the Memphis metro and even into W TN (1M+ pop) is UofM territory. One survey looked at car plate sales and merchandising data (IIRC) and more recently the NY Times fanbase poll showed W TN to be the only significant area of the state NOT dominated by UT. Not sure how they compete with MTSU. Funding yes, but any Nashville presence is pretty much nonexistant...mostly UT/Vandy though Tiger games are broadcast (radio) there. Really surprised that MTSU hasn't made a bigger dent in the city considering its' proximity.

I like this post because it highlights something that often gets forgotten/ignored. The size of the "market" is meaningless. The number of fans are what matters.

(02-12-2015 02:33 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I don't think you can really read anything from the tweet. He is basically he knows of no plays of one major conference raiding another (which we were fairly sure of anyway). The rest is hard to get much from. You can argue about how big a Big 12 expansion would be seen, but I'm more inclined to think that in the immediate future he's referring more to possible changes with Conference USA as it deals with UAB. Big 12 expansion, while not huge by the past few years realignment chaos, would still be pretty big for one of the major conferences.

McMurphy is well connected and tweets what he knows (and can report), but he doesn't know every move going on and I'd guess this tweet is much more saying "I don't see a lot, but there is probably small changes that will happen" than, "I know the Big 12 is likely to expand."

That said, it's not clear enough to say anything for sure.

Well it is a change from his "nothing is going on" that he's been saying for a while. So he's hearing something to change his thinking.