(01-25-2015 09:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I didn't have to choose to be straight, I just was.

I generally agree. I bet though that if a child was raised from birth in an environment where attraction to the same sex was all they knew...straightness would be the deviant behavior. I think like many diseases...you have a genetic predisposition for it. That does not mean that you automatically get a disorder or become gay. Certain environmental conditions also play a part in triggering that tendency. I believe it is a combination of genetics and the environment that cause this. Of course...This is JMO.

(01-25-2015 10:59 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 09:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I didn't have to choose to be straight, I just was.

I generally agree. I bet though that if a child was raised from birth in an environment where attraction to the same sex was all they knew...straightness would be the deviant behavior. I think like many diseases...you have a genetic predisposition for it. That does not mean that you automatically get a disorder or become gay. Certain environmental conditions also play a part in triggering that tendency. I believe it is a combination of genetics and the environment that cause this. Of course...This is JMO.

I tend to agree .

(01-25-2015 09:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I didn't have to choose to be straight, I just was.

You chose to be straight, saying otherwise makes you a liar.

(01-25-2015 12:13 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 09:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I didn't have to choose to be straight, I just was.

You chose to be straight, saying otherwise makes you a liar.

So..There is conscience choice made at some point in our lives?

I honestly don't remember such an event personally.

So gays are turned on by women, but they choose to be intimate with men?

I don't get it. Maybe I never will get it. I think gays are turned on by men, like I'm turned on by women. I think their wires are crossed and it's biological.

But I really don't know the answer to this and I really don't care. This is not an issue of importance to me.

(01-25-2015 12:26 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 12:13 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 09:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I didn't have to choose to be straight, I just was.

You chose to be straight, saying otherwise makes you a liar.

So..There is conscience choice made at some point in our lives?

I honestly don't remember such an event personally.

At some point in your life you came to the conclusion that gay sex was disgusting and sex with women was not. At that point, you CHOSE to be straight. Can't simplify it any more than that.

(01-24-2015 01:47 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  This is where I disagree with conservatives. It may be the only issue where I disagree with conservatives.

I've always been attracted to girls, and then to women when I became an adult. I was never attracted to men.

At no point did I "choose" to exclusively want women. It's just how I'm wired.

This was my response to Fo above this post that I know applies to you...

Quote:At some point in your life you came to the conclusion that gay sex was disgusting and sex with women was not. At that point, you CHOSE to be straight. Can't simplify it any more than that.

Now unless I'm mistaken (I'm not), you CHOSE to be straight. Saying otherwise makes you "less than truthful".

I think the best part of this is that for a while DefCONNOne thinks that he may have kept the option open for gay sex.

Grown men who have been straight all their lives do exercise the option to have gay sex all the time. Prison holds a lot of these men.

I don't remember ever choosing to like girls. I just always did.

(01-25-2015 12:39 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  At some point in your life you came to the conclusion that gay sex was disgusting and sex with women was not. At that point, you CHOSE to be straight. Can't simplify it any more than that.

oh man, i was never at that crossroads. my mother told me if i liked a girl, i should wink at her. i don't know why she told me that, i was four. i remember in sunday school, i decided to put her theory to the test. there was one girl i thought was super cute, so during the middle of class, i winked at her. i suppose i should have waited until she looked at me, maybe she did. anyways, i got nowhere. shoulda made her a mix. but f*cking a guy in the ass? the notion never crossed my mind.

(01-25-2015 12:39 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 12:26 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 12:13 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 09:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I didn't have to choose to be straight, I just was.

You chose to be straight, saying otherwise makes you a liar.

So..There is conscience choice made at some point in our lives?

I honestly don't remember such an event personally.

At some point in your life you came to the conclusion that gay sex was disgusting and sex with women was not. At that point, you CHOSE to be straight. Can't simplify it any more than that.

My attraction to females came before any thought of sex even occurred to me.

(01-25-2015 01:53 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 12:39 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  At some point in your life you came to the conclusion that gay sex was disgusting and sex with women was not. At that point, you CHOSE to be straight. Can't simplify it any more than that.

oh man, i was never at that crossroads. my mother told me if i liked a girl, i should wink at her. i don't know why she told me that, i was four. i remember in sunday school, i decided to put her theory to the test. there was one girl i thought was super cute, so during the middle of class, i winked at her. i suppose i should have waited until she looked at me, maybe she did. anyways, i got nowhere. shoulda made her a mix. but f*cking a guy in the ass? the notion never crossed my mind.

There was point in your life where you thought gay sex was disgusting, I'm assuming it was when you were in junior high. When you came to that conclusion, you made a choice to be straight. I know it's difficult for people to comprehend.

(01-25-2015 01:11 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Grown men who have been straight all their lives do exercise the option to have gay sex all the time. Prison holds a lot of these men.

...but...many of them do not see it as a homosexual act. Like Ricardo Montalban. He claimed that being a pitcher was not gay.

(01-25-2015 02:00 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 01:53 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 12:39 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  At some point in your life you came to the conclusion that gay sex was disgusting and sex with women was not. At that point, you CHOSE to be straight. Can't simplify it any more than that.

oh man, i was never at that crossroads. my mother told me if i liked a girl, i should wink at her. i don't know why she told me that, i was four. i remember in sunday school, i decided to put her theory to the test. there was one girl i thought was super cute, so during the middle of class, i winked at her. i suppose i should have waited until she looked at me, maybe she did. anyways, i got nowhere. shoulda made her a mix. but f*cking a guy in the ass? the notion never crossed my mind.

There was point in your life where you thought gay sex was disgusting, I'm assuming it was when you were in junior high. When you came to that conclusion, you made a choice to be straight. I know it's difficult for people to comprehend.

That does not discount that I already had an attraction to females from a very early age. By the time you are talking about..my preference was already forged. There was no choice for me to make.

(01-25-2015 02:00 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 12:39 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 12:26 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 12:13 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 09:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I didn't have to choose to be straight, I just was.

You chose to be straight, saying otherwise makes you a liar.

So..There is conscience choice made at some point in our lives?

I honestly don't remember such an event personally.

At some point in your life you came to the conclusion that gay sex was disgusting and sex with women was not. At that point, you CHOSE to be straight. Can't simplify it any more than that.

My attraction to females came before any thought of sex even occurred to me.

...and when the thought of sex occured to you, you thought gay sex was disgusting and sex with women wasn't?

(01-25-2015 02:06 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 02:00 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 01:53 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 12:39 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  At some point in your life you came to the conclusion that gay sex was disgusting and sex with women was not. At that point, you CHOSE to be straight. Can't simplify it any more than that.

oh man, i was never at that crossroads. my mother told me if i liked a girl, i should wink at her. i don't know why she told me that, i was four. i remember in sunday school, i decided to put her theory to the test. there was one girl i thought was super cute, so during the middle of class, i winked at her. i suppose i should have waited until she looked at me, maybe she did. anyways, i got nowhere. shoulda made her a mix. but f*cking a guy in the ass? the notion never crossed my mind.

There was point in your life where you thought gay sex was disgusting, I'm assuming it was when you were in junior high. When you came to that conclusion, you made a choice to be straight. I know it's difficult for people to comprehend.

That does not discount that I already had an attraction to females from a very early age. By the time you are talking about..my preference was already forged. There was no choice for me to make.

You're making my point for me by trying to discount the point I'm making.

(01-25-2015 12:42 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-24-2015 01:47 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  This is where I disagree with conservatives. It may be the only issue where I disagree with conservatives.

I've always been attracted to girls, and then to women when I became an adult. I was never attracted to men.

At no point did I "choose" to exclusively want women. It's just how I'm wired.

This was my response to Fo above this post that I know applies to you...

Quote:At some point in your life you came to the conclusion that gay sex was disgusting and sex with women was not. At that point, you CHOSE to be straight. Can't simplify it any more than that.

Now unless I'm mistaken (I'm not), you CHOSE to be straight. Saying otherwise makes you "less than truthful".

Biologically, I had no choice. I was turned on by one sex and I was not turned on by the other sex. The decision was made for me.

I don't want to argue about this. The subject bores me.

(01-25-2015 02:06 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 02:00 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 12:39 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 12:26 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 12:13 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  You chose to be straight, saying otherwise makes you a liar.

So..There is conscience choice made at some point in our lives?

I honestly don't remember such an event personally.

At some point in your life you came to the conclusion that gay sex was disgusting and sex with women was not. At that point, you CHOSE to be straight. Can't simplify it any more than that.

My attraction to females came before any thought of sex even occurred to me.

...and when the thought of sex occured to you, you thought gay sex was disgusting and sex with women wasn't?

I never considered gay sex...period. Probably because of my age. My formative years were the 60's. My generation did not discuss and was not exposed to gay sex like today. I was not exposed to a single "open" gay person all the way through HS. There was one "sissy". All the girls loved him. He later came out of the closet after HS.

(01-25-2015 02:00 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 01:53 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 12:39 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  At some point in your life you came to the conclusion that gay sex was disgusting and sex with women was not. At that point, you CHOSE to be straight. Can't simplify it any more than that.

oh man, i was never at that crossroads. my mother told me if i liked a girl, i should wink at her. i don't know why she told me that, i was four. i remember in sunday school, i decided to put her theory to the test. there was one girl i thought was super cute, so during the middle of class, i winked at her. i suppose i should have waited until she looked at me, maybe she did. anyways, i got nowhere. shoulda made her a mix. but f*cking a guy in the ass? the notion never crossed my mind.

There was point in your life where you thought gay sex was disgusting, I'm assuming it was when you were in junior high. When you came to that conclusion, you made a choice to be straight. I know it's difficult for people to comprehend.

no there wasn't. at no point in my life did i ever think about having sex with a man