(08-19-2014 06:36 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 03:48 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  Got to say 2 loss. Most AAC teams have a tough OOC, plus play whoever is at the top of the conference this year.

Except the toughest Houston OOC opponent is BYU, and the Coogs do not play ECU. Definitely 13-0 Marshall over a 11-1 Houston.

And if that 11-1 Houston lost to BYU, that means they were undefeated in the AAC and both UCF and Cincy are off the table for the Access Bowl, too.

Lots of variables; this will be a fun season.

Except in the case of Houston; even if they lost to BYU, the Cougars still would have beaten several teams that will likely be more higher rated than any team that Marshall will even play.

(08-19-2014 07:52 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 06:36 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 03:48 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  Got to say 2 loss. Most AAC teams have a tough OOC, plus play whoever is at the top of the conference this year.

Except the toughest Houston OOC opponent is BYU, and the Coogs do not play ECU. Definitely 13-0 Marshall over a 11-1 Houston.

And if that 11-1 Houston lost to BYU, that means they were undefeated in the AAC and both UCF and Cincy are off the table for the Access Bowl, too.

Lots of variables; this will be a fun season.

Except in the case of Houston; even if they lost to BYU, the Cougars still would have beaten several teams that will likely be more higher rated than any team that Marshall will even play.

Houston's OOC is fairly weak, but everyone else has some solid OOC. Pick 2 losses on SMU's schedule and I think they deserve it over an undefeated Marshall. Houston, not so much.

Like ESE said, lots of variables. What if SMU beats Tx A&M, Baylor, TCU, UH, Cincy, ECU, UCF but loses to UNT and one other in conference?

I voted to take Marshall over an undefeated AAC champ, because I think the only reason this thread was created was to bash Marshall's strength of schedule. It seems silly to me. No one really knows how strong any schedule is at this point. Ever season there are surprise teams that either out-preform or under-preform.

(08-19-2014 03:51 PM)MarshallHerdFanz Wrote:  Depends on the AAC Champ. I would take Marshall over an undefeated Memphis, Tulane, USF. Marshall over 1-loss Cincinnati, UCF, Houston.

no way.

Memphis is undefeated- they would have beaten UCLA and Ole Miss OOC. Marshall wouldn't have a prayer vs that.
Tulane- not as much- but still Ga Tech, Duke, and Rutgers.
USF- Wisconsin.

Sorry- but no way Marshall gets in over those teams undefeated. Not a chance.

What? Has anyone looked at Marshall's schedule? Compared to other decent G5 program's OOC slate, it's pure garbage...they could go undefeated and not even crack the top 25!!

(08-19-2014 09:28 PM)LSUtah Wrote:  What? Have you looked at Marshall's schedule? It's pure garbage...they could go undefeated and not even get into the top 25! [/i]

in the old system they could have- but now, no way.

(08-19-2014 08:40 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 07:52 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 06:36 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 03:48 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  Got to say 2 loss. Most AAC teams have a tough OOC, plus play whoever is at the top of the conference this year.

Except the toughest Houston OOC opponent is BYU, and the Coogs do not play ECU. Definitely 13-0 Marshall over a 11-1 Houston.

And if that 11-1 Houston lost to BYU, that means they were undefeated in the AAC and both UCF and Cincy are off the table for the Access Bowl, too.

Lots of variables; this will be a fun season.

Except in the case of Houston; even if they lost to BYU, the Cougars still would have beaten several teams that will likely be more higher rated than any team that Marshall will even play.

Houston's OOC is fairly weak, but everyone else has some solid OOC. Pick 2 losses on SMU's schedule and I think they deserve it over an undefeated Marshall. Houston, not so much.

Like ESE said, lots of variables. What if SMU beats Tx A&M, Baylor, TCU, UH, Cincy, ECU, UCF but loses to UNT and one other in conference?

Under his scenario Houston would have beaten several schools in conference that are likely to be more highly ranked than any school that Marshall even plays. So an 11-1 Houston would have a higher SOS under that scenario.

Marshall would be better off not even showing up for some of their games.

(08-19-2014 03:55 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 03:51 PM)MarshallHerdFanz Wrote:  Depends on the AAC Champ. I would take Marshall over an undefeated Memphis, Tulane, USF. Marshall over 1-loss Cincinnati, UCF, Houston.

You would take Marshall over a USF that would beat Maryland, NC State, Wisconsin, ECU, Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF?

On what grounds?

On the grounds of insanity. Any undefeated AAC will get in over Marshall. If Cincy, Houston, UCF, ECU and I am sure a couple more have 1 loss, they still likely get in over Marshall.

Why does the poll only consider AAC teams as the alternative to Marshall. What about the rest of the G5? Based on their past success, don't you think a 12-1 Boise would get the nod over an undefeated Marshall? I do.

(08-20-2014 09:57 AM)ken d Wrote:  Why does the poll only consider AAC teams as the alternative to Marshall. What about the rest of the G5? Based on their past success, don't you think a 12-1 Boise would get the nod over an undefeated Marshall? I do.

I do but let's be honest. Boise is not going 12-1 this year without a miracle. They are going to have their hands full with Ole Miss, BYU, ULL, Uconn, Fresno, and Utah State.

(08-20-2014 09:57 AM)ken d Wrote:  Why does the poll only consider AAC teams as the alternative to Marshall. What about the rest of the G5? Based on their past success, don't you think a 12-1 Boise would get the nod over an undefeated Marshall? I do.

Nothing is stopping you from making another poll. In fact I encourage it. I just didn't want to convolute the comparison.

I voted 1 loss AAC team for 2 factors. The first being the AAC is more highly rated than CUSA, and the committee will probably recognize this. The second factor is that most AAC teams play a much tougher out of conference schedule than Marshall. USF for example, plays Maryland, NCSt, and Wisconsin. Look at who ECU, Cincinnati, and UCF play also. Houston's schedule is a little softer. So, given this, a 1 loss AAC team will probably be chosen over Marshall. For one thing, if ECU, UCF, UC. win their OOC, they are going to jump up significantly in polls. I know polls won't be used by the committee and they will create their own, but everyone looks at polls. Marshall has no significant game to boost them in the polls, and they are already behind UCF in the polls now. There are too many factors to predict accurately this far out, but I think it is likely, although far from gauranteed that a 1 loss AAC team gets bid. It will be interesting though.

(08-20-2014 09:57 AM)ken d Wrote:  Why does the poll only consider AAC teams as the alternative to Marshall. What about the rest of the G5? Based on their past success, don't you think a 12-1 Boise would get the nod over an undefeated Marshall? I do.

I think a 1 loss Boise would be chosen over Marshall also.

11 people voted 3 loss AAC champ so that means unless AAC champ goes 8-4, they are in!

(08-19-2014 03:33 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Rules are simple, pick your turning point where you would consider Undefeated Marshall over an X-loss AAC champ.

For example, if you vote 2 Loss AAC champ, you vote that 2 Loss would beat out Marshall, but anything worse than that, it would go to Marshall.

Neither....MWC champ before all!

(08-19-2014 09:02 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Memphis is undefeated- they would have beaten UCLA and Ole Miss OOC. Marshall wouldn't have a prayer vs that.
Tulane- not as much- but still Ga Tech, Duke, and Rutgers.
USF- Wisconsin.

I am not sure how:

UCLA (10-3) + Ole Miss (7-6) + Middle TN ST is so much better than Ga Tech (7-6) + Duke (10-3) + Rutgers (6-7) or even that much better than Wisconsin (9-4), NC State (3-9) , and Maryland (7-6).

The fact that both Tulane and USF have three P5 teams on their OOC schedule gives them an edge over anyone else in the G5 (UCF also has 2.5) when it comes to perception of SOS.

(08-19-2014 04:22 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  I highly doubt Marshall goes undefeated. Too many variables in C-USA it is tough to play away games in C-USA since some games there might be 5,000 people there. This can cause your team to play flat and become a easy target. When East Carolina was in C-USA we had a difficult time play at places like UAB, Tulane, FIU, and Middle Tennessee. Also they have to watch out for Old Dominion.

Naaaahh ..that's in the AAC now. Remember you guys took Tulane and SMU with you......


Tulane at home playing then Big East Syracuse...










SMU vs UCF game...

The false assumption of this whole thread is that 1 and only 1 G5 champ will be chosen to play in one of the 12 CFP bowl slots.

Has any undefeated G5 school finished anything less than Top 12 in the rankings? An undefeated G5 will always be in a CFP bowl.

No G5 has ever finished a regular season 13-0 before so what Marshall is attempting to do would break a lot of ground and offset the weak non-conference scheduling for this year.

If an AAC school also goes 13-0 this year then they'll probably be ranked somewhere in the Top 6 contending for a playoff bid where Marshall would be around Top 8 or 9. Marshall will be #8 or #9 not because they deserve to be ranked that high but because they won 13 regular season games.