(07-18-2014 01:25 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote: The fact is, very little venom is injected into the conversations here until someone (most often a GaSt poster) shoots off their mouth. I am happy for you guys to get a nice paycheck game with PSU. At least you walk away with something for the time, pain and expense of the Happy Valley beatdown you will most likely receive.
I will say this: when GaSt announced that they were starting football, I was interested since I am an alumnus there but was not a fan. I am also an alumnus of GS and there is where my allegiance lies. I had no animosity toward Panthers football until the GaSt fans started flooding the GS boards with their nasty crap. You people have a bad habit of causing trouble then crying foul when you get snapped. Grow up and act adult. Once you do, I am pretty sure you will be treated more as an equal than as a bratty child thinking you deserve more than you should.
(07-18-2014 02:09 PM)Panthersville Wrote:
(07-18-2014 02:08 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote: How many FBS schools are in PA? Off the top of my head, I can only think of two: PSU and Pitt. Are there any others? Seems like there is one in Philly but I can't remember who.
Temple.
Which is who Penn State rotates their OOC home and homes with in addition to Pitt.
Makes a whole lot of sense in keeping the money and interest instate. Whenever you play GT, that will be the closest either of us will have with having a P5 home game anytime soon.
(07-18-2014 09:23 AM)Panthersville Wrote: You are delusional if you think one day of camp gets you a home game from Penn State. Then again, delusion seems to be a theme around here.
Then I guess it depends on whether or not the money is worth playing a game. But saying that you guys only got this game because of the camp, when you are taking a normal G5 pay day for such a game, and Penn State schedules G5 teams all the time is a little off base. These guys have been playing 3 G5 schools a year the last few seasons.
Of course, no one thought Arkansas State could get Miami to come to Jonesboro either.
Wow you guys like to twist words....
"...saying that you guys only got this game because of the camp..."
Who said that? We got this game because our coach knows how to foster relationships. He took Indiana State to Penn State when he was the coach there, he let them come to his camp here - THAT is how you build relationships. Maybe next time a Georgia boy wants to leave PSU and head back home, his coach will put in a good word for us - RELATIONSHIPS. So, we are a two-bit team that hasn't proven anything, yet we've played Alabama twice already. Why? Relationships. So yeah, the camp wasn't a bad idea because it helped build relationships.
That's what small-minded G5 fans don't understand about the camp. Just because you are FBS you want to claim to be on the same level as the P5 - newsflash, you aren't. The difference between GSU fans and the rest of the SBC is that we are very well aware of our place in the world, without decades of "look at me" chest-beating to skew our perspective. I swear this entire conference is just like the UGA fan base - you think you are something that you never were, and every year is "the year" you are going to break through.
As for PSU playing G5 teams, other than UCF (who I don't really consider "southern" in the "south of the Mason-Dixon Line" sense), who have they played from the South? Oh, and even though UCF technically got a home/home, their return game is is Ireland - not Orlando.
Being aware of your place in the world signifies that you have no desire to better yourself.
Many of us have a goal of get into a major league and becoming a nationally known program. If Alabama called Arkansas State tomorrow about a game, we would request a home and home. I'd never want a Sun Belt School to accept that they are nothing more than a low man on the totem pole.
Regarding the bolded part.....that may be the dumbest thing I've read on here in a while. Being self aware only means you know what you are dealing with, not that you have no desire to change.
As for the rest, of course you ask for a home and home, you just aren't going to get it. If Alabama called Ark State for a game and you insisted on a home and home, guess what? You ain't playing Alabama, and they ain't calling you back. Reality - deal with it.
You could phrase it that way, but when Miami called, they wanted a guarantee. We told them home and home only. It took a very long negotiation period, but after a while, Miami realized that they didn't have a lot of other good options for a game, so the choice was play a 2nd FCS, or play a home and home with Arkansas State.
The thing many G5 schools don't realize is that we own the bargaining power with P5 scheduling. The majority of these schools are now being told they cant play FCS teams, and their fan base still expects 7 home games in a year. They have to use G5 teams to fill those spots. If you work at it enough...eventually you'll get them to bite.
Sure, Alabama wont bite because they can get anyone they want. But as has been mentioned before, there are 63 or something P5 programs, and only 20 have ever made a BCS Game. That means that 43 of those programs are really riding coat tails desperately needing to fill games.
In our case. Since we know Auburn will schedule us every couple of years as Gus thinks he owes us for giving him its first coaching job, we've got the ability to line up the small number of needed money games early, and be able to be selective about the other games we play.
(07-18-2014 10:39 AM)chiefsfan Wrote: Then I guess it depends on whether or not the money is worth playing a game. But saying that you guys only got this game because of the camp, when you are taking a normal G5 pay day for such a game, and Penn State schedules G5 teams all the time is a little off base. These guys have been playing 3 G5 schools a year the last few seasons.
Of course, no one thought Arkansas State could get Miami to come to Jonesboro either.
Wow you guys like to twist words....
"...saying that you guys only got this game because of the camp..."
Who said that? We got this game because our coach knows how to foster relationships. He took Indiana State to Penn State when he was the coach there, he let them come to his camp here - THAT is how you build relationships. Maybe next time a Georgia boy wants to leave PSU and head back home, his coach will put in a good word for us - RELATIONSHIPS. So, we are a two-bit team that hasn't proven anything, yet we've played Alabama twice already. Why? Relationships. So yeah, the camp wasn't a bad idea because it helped build relationships.
That's what small-minded G5 fans don't understand about the camp. Just because you are FBS you want to claim to be on the same level as the P5 - newsflash, you aren't. The difference between GSU fans and the rest of the SBC is that we are very well aware of our place in the world, without decades of "look at me" chest-beating to skew our perspective. I swear this entire conference is just like the UGA fan base - you think you are something that you never were, and every year is "the year" you are going to break through.
As for PSU playing G5 teams, other than UCF (who I don't really consider "southern" in the "south of the Mason-Dixon Line" sense), who have they played from the South? Oh, and even though UCF technically got a home/home, their return game is is Ireland - not Orlando.
Being aware of your place in the world signifies that you have no desire to better yourself.
Many of us have a goal of get into a major league and becoming a nationally known program. If Alabama called Arkansas State tomorrow about a game, we would request a home and home. I'd never want a Sun Belt School to accept that they are nothing more than a low man on the totem pole.
Regarding the bolded part.....that may be the dumbest thing I've read on here in a while. Being self aware only means you know what you are dealing with, not that you have no desire to change.
As for the rest, of course you ask for a home and home, you just aren't going to get it. If Alabama called Ark State for a game and you insisted on a home and home, guess what? You ain't playing Alabama, and they ain't calling you back. Reality - deal with it.
You could phrase it that way, but when Miami called, they wanted a guarantee. We told them home and home only. It took a very long negotiation period, but after a while, Miami realized that they didn't have a lot of other good options for a game, so the choice was play a 2nd FCS, or play a home and home with Arkansas State.
The thing many G5 schools don't realize is that we own the bargaining power with P5 scheduling. The majority of these schools are now being told they cant play FCS teams, and their fan base still expects 7 home games in a year. They have to use G5 teams to fill those spots. If you work at it enough...eventually you'll get them to bite.
Sure, Alabama wont bite because they can get anyone they want. But as has been mentioned before, there are 63 or something P5 programs, and only 20 have ever made a BCS Game. That means that 43 of those programs are really riding coat tails desperately needing to fill games.
In our case. Since we know Auburn will schedule us every couple of years as Gus thinks he owes us for giving him its first coaching job, we've got the ability to line up the small number of needed money games early, and be able to be selective about the other games we play.
So why can't you get a home and home with Auburn?
The answer to that question is your middle paragraph. There is a difference between "elite P5" and "P5". Alabama and PSU are in the former (Auburn is borderline), Miami is not.
(07-18-2014 11:33 AM)panama Wrote: 52 posts, and like 4 about the actual game. Good Lawd.
Beautiful! I love it! I love how the GaSt posters stir the pot then back away and exclaimed, 'Who stirred the pot???'
I didnt start this thread Francis
I is the Francis that started this thread. But if you go back and check after the thread starting turning I did post that I hoped the GaSt would come out of happy Valley with a win.
Yes you did. But there is a reason I dont bother posting positive news here. Its like gasoline at a blow torch factory.
(07-18-2014 12:50 PM)Panthersville Wrote: Wow you guys like to twist words....
"...saying that you guys only got this game because of the camp..."
Who said that? We got this game because our coach knows how to foster relationships. He took Indiana State to Penn State when he was the coach there, he let them come to his camp here - THAT is how you build relationships. Maybe next time a Georgia boy wants to leave PSU and head back home, his coach will put in a good word for us - RELATIONSHIPS. So, we are a two-bit team that hasn't proven anything, yet we've played Alabama twice already. Why? Relationships. So yeah, the camp wasn't a bad idea because it helped build relationships.
That's what small-minded G5 fans don't understand about the camp. Just because you are FBS you want to claim to be on the same level as the P5 - newsflash, you aren't. The difference between GSU fans and the rest of the SBC is that we are very well aware of our place in the world, without decades of "look at me" chest-beating to skew our perspective. I swear this entire conference is just like the UGA fan base - you think you are something that you never were, and every year is "the year" you are going to break through.
As for PSU playing G5 teams, other than UCF (who I don't really consider "southern" in the "south of the Mason-Dixon Line" sense), who have they played from the South? Oh, and even though UCF technically got a home/home, their return game is is Ireland - not Orlando.
Being aware of your place in the world signifies that you have no desire to better yourself.
Many of us have a goal of get into a major league and becoming a nationally known program. If Alabama called Arkansas State tomorrow about a game, we would request a home and home. I'd never want a Sun Belt School to accept that they are nothing more than a low man on the totem pole.
Regarding the bolded part.....that may be the dumbest thing I've read on here in a while. Being self aware only means you know what you are dealing with, not that you have no desire to change.
As for the rest, of course you ask for a home and home, you just aren't going to get it. If Alabama called Ark State for a game and you insisted on a home and home, guess what? You ain't playing Alabama, and they ain't calling you back. Reality - deal with it.
You could phrase it that way, but when Miami called, they wanted a guarantee. We told them home and home only. It took a very long negotiation period, but after a while, Miami realized that they didn't have a lot of other good options for a game, so the choice was play a 2nd FCS, or play a home and home with Arkansas State.
The thing many G5 schools don't realize is that we own the bargaining power with P5 scheduling. The majority of these schools are now being told they cant play FCS teams, and their fan base still expects 7 home games in a year. They have to use G5 teams to fill those spots. If you work at it enough...eventually you'll get them to bite.
Sure, Alabama wont bite because they can get anyone they want. But as has been mentioned before, there are 63 or something P5 programs, and only 20 have ever made a BCS Game. That means that 43 of those programs are really riding coat tails desperately needing to fill games.
In our case. Since we know Auburn will schedule us every couple of years as Gus thinks he owes us for giving him its first coaching job, we've got the ability to line up the small number of needed money games early, and be able to be selective about the other games we play.
So why can't you get a home and home with Auburn?
The answer to that question is your middle paragraph. There is a difference between "elite P5" and "P5". Alabama and PSU are in the former (Auburn is borderline), Miami is not.
You mean like the difference between Vandy and Penn State?
(07-18-2014 12:50 PM)Panthersville Wrote: Wow you guys like to twist words....
"...saying that you guys only got this game because of the camp..."
Who said that? We got this game because our coach knows how to foster relationships. He took Indiana State to Penn State when he was the coach there, he let them come to his camp here - THAT is how you build relationships. Maybe next time a Georgia boy wants to leave PSU and head back home, his coach will put in a good word for us - RELATIONSHIPS. So, we are a two-bit team that hasn't proven anything, yet we've played Alabama twice already. Why? Relationships. So yeah, the camp wasn't a bad idea because it helped build relationships.
That's what small-minded G5 fans don't understand about the camp. Just because you are FBS you want to claim to be on the same level as the P5 - newsflash, you aren't. The difference between GSU fans and the rest of the SBC is that we are very well aware of our place in the world, without decades of "look at me" chest-beating to skew our perspective. I swear this entire conference is just like the UGA fan base - you think you are something that you never were, and every year is "the year" you are going to break through.
As for PSU playing G5 teams, other than UCF (who I don't really consider "southern" in the "south of the Mason-Dixon Line" sense), who have they played from the South? Oh, and even though UCF technically got a home/home, their return game is is Ireland - not Orlando.
Being aware of your place in the world signifies that you have no desire to better yourself.
Many of us have a goal of get into a major league and becoming a nationally known program. If Alabama called Arkansas State tomorrow about a game, we would request a home and home. I'd never want a Sun Belt School to accept that they are nothing more than a low man on the totem pole.
Regarding the bolded part.....that may be the dumbest thing I've read on here in a while. Being self aware only means you know what you are dealing with, not that you have no desire to change.
As for the rest, of course you ask for a home and home, you just aren't going to get it. If Alabama called Ark State for a game and you insisted on a home and home, guess what? You ain't playing Alabama, and they ain't calling you back. Reality - deal with it.
You could phrase it that way, but when Miami called, they wanted a guarantee. We told them home and home only. It took a very long negotiation period, but after a while, Miami realized that they didn't have a lot of other good options for a game, so the choice was play a 2nd FCS, or play a home and home with Arkansas State.
The thing many G5 schools don't realize is that we own the bargaining power with P5 scheduling. The majority of these schools are now being told they cant play FCS teams, and their fan base still expects 7 home games in a year. They have to use G5 teams to fill those spots. If you work at it enough...eventually you'll get them to bite.
Sure, Alabama wont bite because they can get anyone they want. But as has been mentioned before, there are 63 or something P5 programs, and only 20 have ever made a BCS Game. That means that 43 of those programs are really riding coat tails desperately needing to fill games.
In our case. Since we know Auburn will schedule us every couple of years as Gus thinks he owes us for giving him its first coaching job, we've got the ability to line up the small number of needed money games early, and be able to be selective about the other games we play.
So why can't you get a home and home with Auburn?
Considering our policy is to ask every P5 for a home and home before ever agreeing to a money game. We've asked. I suspect Malzahn has no interest in seeing how ASU fans would react to him appearing in Jonesboro. His departure wasn't pretty.
We schedule 1 money game per year at 7 figures. Auburn agrees to pay us what we want to fill that slot. The rest have to take a home and home or don't get to play us.
Again...G5 controls schedule more than anyone thinks.
(This post was last modified: 07-18-2014 02:55 PM by chiefsfan.)
(07-18-2014 01:18 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote: So...to make sure I understand the heart of this thread without having to read through the usual circle-jerk...it comes out that we're getting paid reasonably well to travel to a major P5 school for a game. And we're getting criticized because we couldn't make it a home-and-home?
Because everyone else would have got a home and home out of them.
Without throwing away their dignity...
You got Sanduskied....too early?? You allowed someone to take your dignity and try to pay you off by disguising it as a pay-for-play format. We all know you are only getting $700,000 - $800,000 for the game and PSU is paying the remainder for allowing them jump the recruiting loops and using your dignity and respect for doing it. Wasn't there a dating site that your female student body was famous for doing this same thing??
(07-18-2014 01:18 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote: So...to make sure I understand the heart of this thread without having to read through the usual circle-jerk...it comes out that we're getting paid reasonably well to travel to a major P5 school for a game. And we're getting criticized because we couldn't make it a home-and-home?
Because everyone else would have got a home and home out of them.
Without throwing away their dignity...
You got Sanduskied....too early?? You allowed someone to take your dignity and try to pay you off by disguising it as a pay-for-play format. We all know you are only getting $700,000 - $800,000 for the game and PSU is paying the remainder for allowing them jump the recruiting loops and using your dignity and respect for doing it. Wasn't there a dating site that your female student body was famous for doing this same thing??
(07-18-2014 04:42 PM)cbrown122 Wrote: We all know you are only getting $700,000 - $800,000 for the game and PSU is paying the remainder for allowing them jump the recruiting loops and using your dignity and respect for doing it. Wasn't there a dating site that your female student body was famous for doing this same thing??
Let's just call a spade, a spade!
The loss of dignity and respect is completely made up. It's called wishful thinking. Georgia State went toe to toe with many good SBC teams and should be improved. Should they (and the certainly could) defeat GS this season, there will be much more egg on your faces than what you think happened with the GSU-PSU camp. Do not underestimate GSU. That is not a gimmie game by any means.
(07-18-2014 01:40 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote: They may have been looking for 4* talent, but may grab some 3* stars that show promise away from GaSt and every other G5 team that recruits ATL area. So it might be nice in the present, but long term it is a bad idea and does not help other schools in the area. So I hope you understand the ire.
Ahhhh, not the truth comes out. I thought this was about our dignity, but the truth is that you just don't want another P5 exposed to your recruiting ground. Well, sorry to break it to you, but it's not our job to protect your interests.
As far as how it affects us, we got players that wouldn't consider coming to a Georgia State camp to come and take a look (and walk away impressed). Once we get established, that won't be as necessary, but right now, it is brilliant.
Just curious, did GaSt receive any commitments as a result of the camp?
(07-18-2014 04:42 PM)cbrown122 Wrote: We all know you are only getting $700,000 - $800,000 for the game and PSU is paying the remainder for allowing them jump the recruiting loops and using your dignity and respect for doing it. Wasn't there a dating site that your female student body was famous for doing this same thing??
Let's just call a spade, a spade!
The loss of dignity and respect is completely made up. It's called wishful thinking. Georgia State went toe to toe with many good SBC teams and should be improved. Should they (and the certainly could) defeat GS this season, there will be much more egg on your faces than what you think happened with the GSU-PSU camp. Do not underestimate GSU. That is not a gimmie game by any means.
shhhh! Let the GS fans continue talking. I have a special batch of egg for them.
(07-18-2014 04:42 PM)cbrown122 Wrote: We all know you are only getting $700,000 - $800,000 for the game and PSU is paying the remainder for allowing them jump the recruiting loops and using your dignity and respect for doing it. Wasn't there a dating site that your female student body was famous for doing this same thing??
Let's just call a spade, a spade!
The loss of dignity and respect is completely made up. It's called wishful thinking. Georgia State went toe to toe with many good SBC teams and should be improved. Should they (and the certainly could) defeat GS this season, there will be much more egg on your faces than what you think happened with the GSU-PSU camp. Do not underestimate GSU. That is not a gimmie game by any means.
shhhh! Let the GS fans continue talking. I have a special batch of egg for them.
I don't get it. So what if GaSt didn't get a home and home. They got a good game with a great pay check.
As far as some of you predicting Ga-State beating
Ga. Southern .....well...... there's a special place in hell for blasphemers!
(07-18-2014 04:42 PM)cbrown122 Wrote: We all know you are only getting $700,000 - $800,000 for the game and PSU is paying the remainder for allowing them jump the recruiting loops and using your dignity and respect for doing it. Wasn't there a dating site that your female student body was famous for doing this same thing??
Let's just call a spade, a spade!
The loss of dignity and respect is completely made up. It's called wishful thinking. Georgia State went toe to toe with many good SBC teams and should be improved. Should they (and the certainly could) defeat GS this season, there will be much more egg on your faces than what you think happened with the GSU-PSU camp. Do not underestimate GSU. That is not a gimmie game by any means.
shhhh! Let the GS fans continue talking. I have a special batch of egg for them.
I don't get it. So what if GaSt didn't get a home and home. They got a good game with a great pay check.
As far as some of you predicting Ga-State beating
Ga. Southern .....well...... there's a special place in hell for blasphemers!
(07-18-2014 09:17 AM)NCeagle Wrote: lol @ thinking the rest of the sun belt would do the same. Judging by southern's first recruiting class, I'm gonna say that we don't need to do that. Now maybe down the road, if our program tanks, and we get desperate to find recruits, then maybe we will. But until then, I highly doubt it. State is the 5th best football team in the state of Ga. You guys need all the help you can get.
There's no need to concern yourself with what we're doing. Just make sure y'all are ready on Oct. 25.
(07-18-2014 09:19 AM)chiefsfan Wrote: You still ask for a home and home. I don't care who the team is, at that distance, and with what you guys did for Penn State letting them into Atlanta, you ask for a home and home.
FYI, we would never have hosted Penn State at a camp. It would not be worth opening that can of worms in state.
You are delusional if you think one day of camp gets you a home game from Penn State. Then again, delusion seems to be a theme around here.
Then I guess it depends on whether or not the money is worth playing a game. But saying that you guys only got this game because of the camp, when you are taking a normal G5 pay day for such a game, and Penn State schedules G5 teams all the time is a little off base. These guys have been playing 3 G5 schools a year the last few seasons.
Of course, no one thought Arkansas State could get Miami to come to Jonesboro either.
Wow you guys like to twist words....
"...saying that you guys only got this game because of the camp..."
Who said that? We got this game because our coach knows how to foster relationships. He took Indiana State to Penn State when he was the coach there, he let them come to his camp here - THAT is how you build relationships. Maybe next time a Georgia boy wants to leave PSU and head back home, his coach will put in a good word for us - RELATIONSHIPS. So, we are a two-bit team that hasn't proven anything, yet we've played Alabama twice already. Why? Relationships. So yeah, the camp wasn't a bad idea because it helped build relationships.
That's what small-minded G5 fans don't understand about the camp. Just because you are FBS you want to claim to be on the same level as the P5 - newsflash, you aren't. The difference between GSU fans and the rest of the SBC is that we are very well aware of our place in the world, without decades of "look at me" chest-beating to skew our perspective. I swear this entire conference is just like the UGA fan base - you think you are something that you never were, and every year is "the year" you are going to break through.
As for PSU playing G5 teams, other than UCF (who I don't really consider "southern" in the "south of the Mason-Dixon Line" sense), who have they played from the South? Oh, and even though UCF technically got a home/home, their return game is is Ireland - not Orlando.
Being aware of your place in the world signifies that you have no desire to better yourself.
Many of us have a goal of get into a major league and becoming a nationally known program. If Alabama called Arkansas State tomorrow about a game, we would request a home and home. I'd never want a Sun Belt School to accept that they are nothing more than a low man on the totem pole.
AGAIN, whoever said that Georgia State did not request a home and home?! why do you keep saying that?
I feel bad for GA St. fans after reading this. Do they brag a little more than they should, yes, but this game isn't a bad thing.
App would certainly accept a $1.2M pay check to play a Big Ten program. We are accepting $1M to play Michigan, looks like we settled (deal was signed 3 years ago though). Nice to see the price has gone up. Good luck GA St. when you play them.
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