(07-02-2014 06:14 AM)Slinkin Street Flash Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 02:38 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  <snip>
Speaking of rivalries, shouldn't the MAC fabricate one for NY-Buffalo vs EMU (like it did for NIU vs Ball State)?

MAC Main Rivalries
BG vs Toledo (Battle of I-75)
Kent State vs Akron (Wagon Wheel)
Miami vs Ohio (Battle of the Bricks)
WMU vs CentMich (Victory Cannon)

"Recently Created"
NIU vs Ball State (Bronze Stalk)
NY-Buffalo vs EMU (Peace Bridge)*

*Proposed (NY-Buffalo and EMU could play for the "Peace Bridge Trophy")

From Wiki:

Quote:The Peace Bridge is an international bridge between Canada and the United States at the east end of Lake Erie at the source of the Niagara River, about 20 kilometres (12.4 mi) upriver of Niagara Falls. It connects the City of Buffalo, New York, in the United States to the Town of Fort Erie, Ontario, in Canada. It is operated and maintained by the binational Buffalo and Fort Erie Public Bridge Authority.

The quickest way (via ground transport) from NY-Buffalo campus to EMU campus is via Canada by crossing the Peace Bridge.
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If that bridge crosses from Buffalo to Detroit, it's a mighty long bridge.

We can't even get a new bridge built between Windsor and Detroit.

(07-01-2014 11:17 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  MAC and Horizon should work together for a weekend of basketball to replace the bracket buster.
Can't 2 basketball directors sit down a week before game day and match the teams? I could get 2 guys at the bar and have the matchup s in 15 minutes.

Honestly the two conferences play more than enough games to make that work already I think. All that would need to be done would be to brand it and decide on a good time to call it a "challenge". It would also require both the MAC and Horizon to see themselves as equals which is not always easy to do. The other issue is whether it really helps either league as that is already the status quo. I do think that branding it may give it at least something to market which could be a good idea.

(07-01-2014 11:17 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  MAC and Horizon should work together for a weekend of basketball to replace the bracket buster.
Can't 2 basketball directors sit down a week before game day and match the teams? I could get 2 guys at the bar and have the matchup s in 15 minutes.

It was always questionable of how much the bracket buster really helped teams w/ NCAA tourney aspirations.

Much better set up would be for top mid-majors to play middling teams from the power conferences...but there's not much in it for them (w/ the current status quo anyway).

(07-03-2014 10:47 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:17 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  MAC and Horizon should work together for a weekend of basketball to replace the bracket buster.
Can't 2 basketball directors sit down a week before game day and match the teams? I could get 2 guys at the bar and have the matchup s in 15 minutes.

It was always questionable of how much the bracket buster really helped teams w/ NCAA tourney aspirations.

Much better set up would be for top mid-majors to play middling teams from the power conferences...but there's not much in it for them (w/ the current status quo anyway).

it's possible, but you'd need to pay them well to show up and put the games in an NBA arena. the rock n roll classic is the model, imo. that took average to good name bball teams that recruit the MAC footprint and scheduled them against top mac teams. I think it had Xavier, ohio st, boston college, cincy (who was ranked when Toledo beat them), etc...

do a double header at the Cavs/Pistons arena. Have a national TV deal (not something unrealistic, but one of the national sports channels). and make it a must see for mac fans. i.e. Toledo-Pitt, Western Mich vs Dayton)

Some name programs will balk, but ones whose coach or AD has mac connects will show up now and then if they get a good payout and it's tv game.

Everyone wants to see big increases to the contract, but I just don't think it's going to happen. The MAC makes very little from its contract, and there doesn't seem to be much demand to increase the numbers of broadcasts, based on the ratings of the current programming ESPN shows.

Let me remind you of what the current deal they are trying to renegotiate looks like: Current MAC tv contract entering early renewal.

The reality is, the American and Mountain West average more viewers on more difficult days of the week (more collegiate competition) and the American is contracted for 60 conference controlled games on ABC, ESPN, ESPN 2, and ESPN U; with remaining stock shown on CBS Sports; while the MWC shows 49 games on ESPN, ESPN 2, ESPN U, ESPN News, or CBS Sports. The MAC as you read in the current contract link above, is scheduled for 11 national broadcasts on ESPN, ESPN 2 or ESPN U. Any other games shown are freebies for the exposure.

Beyond football, ALL of the American's conference controlled basketball games are also on national tv, which helps their conference make more in one year than the Sunbelt and MAC do combined in the full multi-year length of their current contracts. The MAC will see an increase, but I cannot imagine it would be anywhere near enough to cover that type of gap. My guess is you may match the new MWC base of $648,000 but doubt you'll have the national network bonus payments that conference members get thanks to Boise State's new deal with the conference and ESPN.

(07-05-2014 12:08 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  ...the American and Mountain West average more viewers...

Wrong.

Don't come here and post lies as facts. This is an FBS board, run along junior.

(07-05-2014 12:08 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Everyone wants to see big increases to the contract, but I just don't think it's going to happen. The MAC makes very little from its contract, and there doesn't seem to be much demand to increase the numbers of broadcasts, based on the ratings of the current programming ESPN shows.

Let me remind you of what the current deal they are trying to renegotiate looks like: Current MAC tv contract entering early renewal.

The reality is, the American and Mountain West average more viewers on more difficult days of the week (more collegiate competition) and the American is contracted for 60 conference controlled games on ABC, ESPN, ESPN 2, and ESPN U; with remaining stock shown on CBS Sports; while the MWC shows 49 games on ESPN, ESPN 2, ESPN U, ESPN News, or CBS Sports. The MAC as you read in the current contract link above, is scheduled for 11 national broadcasts on ESPN, ESPN 2 or ESPN U. Any other games shown are freebies for the exposure.

Beyond football, ALL of the American's conference controlled basketball games are also on national tv, which helps their conference make more in one year than the Sunbelt and MAC do combined in the full multi-year length of their current contracts. The MAC will see an increase, but I cannot imagine it would be anywhere near enough to cover that type of gap. My guess is you may match the new MWC base of $648,000 but doubt you'll have the national network bonus payments that conference members get thanks to Boise State's new deal with the conference and ESPN.

Boy....that was a whole lot of BS. Nice work.

(07-05-2014 08:39 AM)TARDledo Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 12:08 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  ...the American and Mountain West average more viewers...

Wrong.

Don't come here and post lies as facts. This is an FBS board, run along junior.

I hate to break it to you... but it's FACT... The American and Mountain West both average basically a quarter to a third more viewers and they are doing so with significantly more games rated...

2013 Conference TV Ratings

Rank Conference Avg Viewers Avg Rating
1 SEC----------3,805,794------2.34
2 Big 10--------2,920,815------1.84
3 ACC----------1,961,674------1.25
4 PAC 12-------1,759,673------1.11
5 Big 12--------1,625,221------1.01
6 MWC---------1,010,405------0.65
7 AAC----------971,983------- 0.65
8 MAC----------792,583-------0.50
9 C-USA--------780,254-------0.50
10 Sun Belt------603,694--------0.42

As for the "junior" bit - I'm nearly forty and spent 15 years working in media management before going back to school for my masters and have been posting on this site more often and slightly longer than you... so you can keep your condescending tone!

(07-05-2014 10:49 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 08:39 AM)TARDledo Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 12:08 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  ...the American and Mountain West average more viewers...

Wrong.

Don't come here and post lies as facts. This is an FBS board, run along junior.

I hate to break it to you... but it's FACT... The American and Mountain West both average basically a quarter to a third more viewers and they are doing so with significantly more games rated...

2013 Conference TV Ratings

Rank Conference Avg Viewers Avg Rating
1 SEC----------3,805,794------2.34
2 Big 10--------2,920,815------1.84
3 ACC----------1,961,674------1.25
4 PAC 12-------1,759,673------1.11
5 Big 12--------1,625,221------1.01
6 MWC---------1,010,405------0.65
7 AAC----------971,983------- 0.65
8 MAC----------792,583-------0.50
9 C-USA--------780,254-------0.50
10 Sun Belt------603,694--------0.42

As for the "junior" bit - I'm nearly forty and spent 15 years working in media management before going back to school for my masters and have been posting on this site more often and slightly longer than you... so you can keep your condescending tone!

Being that Charlotte is your listed location - Did you work for Raycom or ESPN Plus? Are all the regional syndications going away? What will happen with the MAC regional syndication package and will CUSA and Sun Belt retain another syndication package or regional deal now that CSS is done?

No, you are wrong, junior.

(07-05-2014 11:03 AM)TARDledo Wrote:  No, you are wrong,

Why is this a cause for animosity? The guy posted numbers to back up his claim. Address those.

(07-07-2014 12:31 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 11:03 AM)TARDledo Wrote:  No, you are wrong,

Why is this a cause for animosity? The guy posted numbers to back up his claim. Address those.

because logic and reason are his kryptonite, he is powerless to respond to it in kind.

The "average viewers" number listed is worthless because the channel the game appears on has much more to do with the number of views than the two teams playing. For instance, a game on ESPNU always gets less viewers than a game on ESPN2, etc. The MAC gets relegated to ESPNews a couple of times and- BOOM-, the avg is tanked.

The only way for it to be fair is to break it down by conference by channel.

(07-07-2014 12:31 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 11:03 AM)TARDledo Wrote:  No, you are wrong, junior.

Why is this a cause for animosity? The guy posted numbers to back up his claim. Address those.

No animosity, the guy is full of ****.

Yeah, he posted numbers, so what? I could just post numbers. Didn't you notice that he did not source those numbers with a link?

Maybe because he just made them up or he knows that the "source" has dubious data and that providing the source would lead to everyone discovering that flawed data.

For example, some of the "AAC numbers" are OOC games vs the SEC on CBS while the MAC plays many Big Ten teams on BTN, which IS NOT INCLUDED in the "numbers" out there.

Comparing apples to apples, MAC vs MAC on ESPN channel against AAC vs AAC on ESPN will show that the MAC routinely outdrew them in ratings. And not even by a little bit.

There were AAC conference games that "mattered" in the standings for a BCS slot that drew flies while two teams already out of contention in the MAC did better.

Example: Central Florida vs Houston on Saturday, November 9 on ESPN2 did 431K. Buffalo vs Ohio on Tuesday, November 5 did 559K. Also, Cent. Michigan vs Ball State on Wednesday, November 6 on ESPN2 did 592K. Now look at two MAC teams in contention (like Cent. Florida vs Houston late season), NIU vs Ball State on Wednesday, November 13 on ESPN2 did 1.04 MILLION.

This FCS my-school-hasn't-even-played-a-snap-of-football troll is full of ****.

(07-07-2014 02:43 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  

(07-07-2014 12:31 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 11:03 AM)TARDledo Wrote:  No, you are wrong, junior.

Why is this a cause for animosity? The guy posted numbers to back up his claim. Address those.

No animosity, the guy is full of ****.

Yeah, he posted numbers, so what? I could just post numbers. Didn't you notice that he did not source those numbers with a link?

Maybe because he just made them up or he knows that the "source" has dubious data and that providing the source would lead to everyone discovering that flawed data.

For example, some of the "AAC numbers" are OOC games vs the SEC on CBS while the MAC plays many Big Ten teams on BTN, which IS NOT INCLUDED in the "numbers" out there.

Comparing apples to apples, MAC vs MAC on ESPN channel against AAC vs AAC on ESPN will show that the MAC routinely outdrew them in ratings. And not even by a little bit.

There were AAC conference games that "mattered" in the standings for a BCS slot that drew flies while two teams already out of contention in the MAC did better.

Example: Central Florida vs Houston on Saturday, November 9 on ESPN2 did 431K. Buffalo vs Ohio on Tuesday, November 5 did 559K. Also, Cent. Michigan vs Ball State on Wednesday, November 6 on ESPN2 did 592K. Now look at two MAC teams in contention (like Cent. Florida vs Houston late season), NIU vs Ball State on Wednesday, November 13 on ESPN2 did 1.04 MILLION.

This FCS my-school-hasn't-even-played-a-snap-of-football troll is full of ****.

Here is the source. You are correct the games on BTN are not included and neither are our MAC game of the week as these are not considered "nationally televised". However as the article says those typically have lower ratings than the ones listed.

http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/12/1...-final-sec

Tone aside: comparing late season, in-conference games (week 12 to 14) the MAC /AAC /MWC have similar numbers. So, I get Tards' point.
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/

(07-09-2014 11:14 AM)masttg Wrote:  Tone aside: comparing late season, in-conference games (week 12 to 14) the MAC /AAC /MWC have similar numbers. So, I get Tards' point.
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/

LOL...what was the question again? Is this about being the tallest midget?

(07-09-2014 11:14 AM)masttg Wrote:  Tone aside: comparing late season, in-conference games (week 12 to 14) the MAC /AAC /MWC have similar numbers. So, I get Tards' point.
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/

You can see that some MAC vs MAC games on ESPN2 had better ratings than many AAC vs AAC games on ESPN.

Put those MAC games on ESPN, and the MAC would wax that (AAC) ass by even more.

Oh brother... seriously? LOL

Anyone can nitpick a few games and sure you can show some MAC games had better numbers, because some do, but in a CONFERENCE media deal, there are more than just a couple games, and the average of the whole isn't close.

The American has twice as many games rated, meaning they have more games thrown into the average, that means not only are the good matchups included, but more of the less desirable bottom feeder games are averaged in too.

I'm not trying to bash the MAC, I don't have a pony in this pissing match, I am just adding some facts to the argument.

(07-05-2014 11:00 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Being that Charlotte is your listed location - Did you work for Raycom or ESPN Plus? Are all the regional syndications going away? What will happen with the MAC regional syndication package and will CUSA and Sun Belt retain another syndication package or regional deal now that CSS is done?

I worked in New York - I came to North Carolina when my better half took a transfer with Bank of America and made my schooling decisions based on that change. That said, Fox Sports studios are just around the corner from my gated community. :-)

(07-09-2014 05:57 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Anyone can nitpick a few games...

F*ck you a**hole. You're the one cherry-picking flawed data to get your spin across. You brought no facts to the discussion.

You have employed this same tactic before.

Stay the f*ck off of the MAC board. All you ever do is take shots and then make false arguments that you cannot backup and when you get called out on your sh*t you try to pass your bullsh*t as facts and when you get called out on that you say "you have no horse, blah, blah, blah" -- yet, you have done this EXACT SAME THING, time and time again.