(06-03-2014 06:03 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  You sir deserve an applaus for overlooking how bad CUSA is

His measuring tape is a mobius strip. It's only got one side.

(06-03-2014 06:34 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 05:48 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 05:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 04:41 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Haha, This thread still going on?

Yeah WKU fans are getting pissy because we aren't offering CUSA and the 'Toppers sufficient respect.

Looks to me like a bunch of ASU fans are the ones getting pissy. Seems like a few want to spew anything they want and don't like the answers they got back.

Quote:Newbie's, no one that even remotely follows college football would swap AppSt or GaSo for any of the schools joining CUSA when it comes to football(and I'm not convinced CUSA added any better than GaSt or TxSt) . I expect Idaho and NMSU to be very decent teams, going forward.You are the worse FBS football conference for a reason, and for whatever reasons, the people putting together the new CUSA are fine with that.

You have 2 teams that's never played a down in FBS football and 3 other teams that's won a total of 3 FBS games in the last two years COMBINED! But that doesn't tell the whole story...

two of those wins came against each other Idaho and NMST each beat the other. The only FBS win in 72 combined games over the last two ....

yes let me repeat that...other than beating each other once each the only other FBS win in 72 combined game...again IN 72 COMBINED GAME. I DON'T THINK I MADE MYSELF CLEAR.....

IN 72 COMBINED GAMES over the last two seasons..Idaho, NMST, and GST won 1 game against FBS teams Idaho beat a 2-10 Temple team.

He says "the last two years combined!" but earlier he said we couldn't judge FIU or FAU on "just the last three years!". And of course what ASU and ULL have done in the last few years don't mean anything because after all, they could fall back.

And we have teams who "haven't played a down" of FBS football, but of course Charlotte doesn't count.

And a lot of talk about Idaho...but not much in comparison to UAB's last 10 years.

And I'm going THROW IN SOME ALL CAPS in case he misunderstands or I didn't MAKE MYSELF CLEAR.

Last time I checked Charlotte is not part of 2014 CUSA in football...

You can throw them in next year.

(06-03-2014 06:03 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 05:48 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 05:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 04:41 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Haha, This thread still going on?

Yeah WKU fans are getting pissy because we aren't offering CUSA and the 'Toppers sufficient respect.

Looks to me like a bunch of ASU fans are the ones getting pissy. Seems like a few want to spew anything they want and don't like the answers they got back.

Quote:Newbie's, no one that even remotely follows college football would swap AppSt or GaSo for any of the schools joining CUSA when it comes to football(and I'm not convinced CUSA added any better than GaSt or TxSt) . I expect Idaho and NMSU to be very decent teams, going forward.You are the worse FBS football conference for a reason, and for whatever reasons, the people putting together the new CUSA are fine with that.

You have 2 teams that's never played a down in FBS football and 3 other teams that's won a total of 3 FBS games in the last two years COMBINED! But that doesn't tell the whole story...

two of those wins came against each other Idaho and NMST each beat the other. The only FBS win in 72 combined games over the last two ....

yes let me repeat that...other than beating each other once each the only other FBS win in 72 combined game...again IN 72 COMBINED GAME. I DON'T THINK I MADE MYSELF CLEAR.....

IN 72 COMBINED GAMES over the last two seasons..Idaho, NMST, and GST won 1 game against FBS teams Idaho beat a 2-10 Temple team.

Georgia state is WKU south so they get a pass for a few years like WKU got.. Your right in 1 aspect Idaho and NMSU don't belong in FBS outside of those 3 sun belt is okay..don't forget to look at CUSA bottom 4 and their very bad record funny one of those is previous belt teams ROFL

Southern miss 1 win in 2 years!
FIU 4 wins in 2 years!
UAB, UTEP 5 wins in 2 years

You sir deserve an applaus for overlooking how bad CUSA is

GST doesn't get a pass in the context of what this topic turned into....

how close the SBC has came to CUSA and the new addition are better than the ones who left.

Nothing you said changes the below numbers...NOTHING

We don't need any guessing, or opinions the numbers speak for them self the bottom is bad in both conferences but a conference is judged by the top...

AND CLEARLY

(06-03-2014 06:49 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Last time I checked Charlotte is not part of 2014 CUSA in football...

You can throw them in next year.

I thought we were talking about the comparative quality of CUSA and SBC and their relative future prospects?

That would seem to include Charlotte to me...and the future would seem to include 2015...but hey...the WKU judge has ruled that they are inadmissible until next year.

there is an FCS board where there is an indivional who will never, ever quit arguing with you, and trying to piss you off (alot of Georgia Southern fans know who Im talking about), he just keeps going, and going, and going, to the point where you just have to close down the topic or he will just about drive you crazy. Kinda get that feeling we are at that point now, this topic just needs to end, its going no place fast.

(06-03-2014 06:53 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  but a conference is judged by the top...

Let me get this straight.

The SBC is judged by how its bottom teams performed over the last 72 games but CUSA is judged by its top teams.

And the performance of the top teams in the SBC don't really matter because they could fall back and have three year losing streaks in both football and basketball...just like that.

(06-03-2014 07:36 PM)moehler Wrote:  there is an FCS board where there is an indivional who will never, ever quit arguing with you, and trying to piss you off (alot of Georgia Southern fans know who Im talking about), he just keeps going, and going, and going, to the point where you just have to close down the topic or he will just about drive you crazy. Kinda get that feeling we are at that point now, this topic just needs to end, its going no place fast.

It's worse than you think. You have TWO of those people in this thread. Me and WKUYG.

that's funny, atleast you have a sense of humor about it, the other guy, not so sure, seems to be taking this a bit too serious, with the charts, numbers, and all the work he has done to... I think, prove some kind of point, not really sure what it is yet.

Why would I move the thread if someone will just start another one anyway?

(06-03-2014 07:10 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 06:49 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Last time I checked Charlotte is not part of 2014 CUSA in football...

You can throw them in next year.

I thought we were talking about the comparative quality of CUSA and SBC and their relative future prospects?

That would seem to include Charlotte to me...and the future would seem to include 2015...but hey...the WKU judge has ruled that they are inadmissible until next year.

(06-03-2014 07:57 PM)moehler Wrote:  that's funny, atleast you have a sense of humor about it, the other guy, not so sure, seems to be taking this a bit too serious, with the charts, numbers, and all the work he has done to... I think, prove some kind of point, not really sure what it is yet.

Some things are not meant for everyone to understand... ark30inf gets it even if this topic has went in about 4 or 5 different directions.

Lets really look at how much the SBC narrowed the gap last year and compare both conferences with all members that's playing this year in it.
By my count you have 2, 10 win teams in CUSA vs 0 for the SBC
By my count you have 3, 9 win teams in CUSA vs 1 for the SBC
By my count you have 6...8 or more win teams in CUSA vs 2 for the SBC
By my count you have 7, 7 or more wins teams in CUSA vs 3 for the SBC
By my count you have 8, 6 wins or more teams in CUSA vs 7 for the SBC

Now if you count a .500 season as narrowing the gap...well you did that other wise all you have to do is look at the above numbers. Old Dominion's numbers are better than both of the SBC move ups.


Below are the records for each school over the last two seasons....

just the facts with ZERO guess work and ZERO seeing the future... I don't think ark30inf can misunderstand numbers.. Reading this topic I seen people trying to be Nostradamus and predict the future but that's almost impossible when you can't even read the past. That's what I love about cold, hard numbers...once you put them on paper most of the time...what's real jumps right out at you. And when you take away teams leaving and add in the teams being added....

get down to the bare facts this silly argument is completely shut down. But then again we can all ignore the numbers and go back to ...

being Nostradamus





ark30inf it's your board so I will let you get in the last shot! I'm sure in the coming months we will have a few more of these.

I'm not pissy, I ALWAYS USE CAPITAL LETTERS!!!!!

This has turned into comic relief thank you WKUfan.

(06-03-2014 05:10 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 02:36 PM)asuwon Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 02:08 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Last year the co-champs both should have gone to bowls first before anyone else. WKU at 7-5 also deserved a bowl. The Sun Belt just had no spot for them but more Sun Belt tie ins will take care of that in the future.

Has anybody thought that maybe Western getting snubbed last bowl season was based in the bowl's perception of the WKU program and fan base, rather than any perception of the Sun Belt?

In the final game of the season last year, with a bowl bid still in play, WKU was only able to muster up 14,417 fans, with many of those being stAte fans.

What bowl, dependent on traveling fans to make their bowl a success, invites a program with so little support? If WKU football could draw more than flies to a football game, they probably would have received an invite last year.

In seeking to determine a cause for WKU's bowl snub, I would suggest one look no further than the WKU attendance numbers.

AD AState's AD sent a text to the director of a photo showing the thousands of AState fans on the parade route the year before.

Bowls are businesses...

and they have determined that, at this time, the WKU fan base is not a good investment with which to hitch their wagon.

WKU needs to build their football fan base and increase attendance, without the help of University of Kentucky fans at neutral sites, before they become a player in the football postseason on a regular basis. WKU is a young program, though. With a little luck and hard work, I believe they can do it.

(06-03-2014 08:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 07:57 PM)moehler Wrote:  that's funny, atleast you have a sense of humor about it, the other guy, not so sure, seems to be taking this a bit too serious, with the charts, numbers, and all the work he has done to... I think, prove some kind of point, not really sure what it is yet.

Some things are not meant for everyone to understand... ark30inf gets it even if this topic has went in about 4 or 5 different directions.

Lets really look at how much the SBC narrowed the gap last year and compare both conferences with all members that's playing this year in it.
By my count you have 2, 10 win teams in CUSA vs 0 for the SBC
By my count you have 3, 9 win teams in CUSA vs 1 for the SBC
By my count you have 6...8 or more win teams in CUSA vs 2 for the SBC
By my count you have 7, 7 or more wins teams in CUSA vs 3 for the SBC
By my count you have 8, 6 wins or more teams in CUSA vs 7 for the SBC

Now if you count a .500 season as narrowing the gap...well you did that other wise all you have to do is look at the above numbers. Old Dominion's numbers are better than both of the SBC move ups.


Below are the records for each school over the last two seasons....

just the facts with ZERO guess work and ZERO seeing the future... I don't think ark30inf can misunderstand numbers.. Reading this topic I seen people trying to be Nostradamus and predict the future but that's almost impossible when you can't even read the past. That's what I love about cold, hard numbers...once you put them on paper most of the time...what's real jumps right out at you. And when you take away teams leaving and add in the teams being added....

get down to the bare facts this silly argument is completely shut down. But then again we can all ignore the numbers and go back to ...

being Nostradamus





ark30inf it's your board so I will let you get in the last shot! I'm sure in the coming months we will have a few more of these.

http://www.colleyrankings.com/curconf.html

(06-03-2014 08:39 PM)asuwon Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 05:10 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 02:36 PM)asuwon Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 02:08 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Last year the co-champs both should have gone to bowls first before anyone else. WKU at 7-5 also deserved a bowl. The Sun Belt just had no spot for them but more Sun Belt tie ins will take care of that in the future.

Has anybody thought that maybe Western getting snubbed last bowl season was based in the bowl's perception of the WKU program and fan base, rather than any perception of the Sun Belt?

In the final game of the season last year, with a bowl bid still in play, WKU was only able to muster up 14,417 fans, with many of those being stAte fans.

What bowl, dependent on traveling fans to make their bowl a success, invites a program with so little support? If WKU football could draw more than flies to a football game, they probably would have received an invite last year.

In seeking to determine a cause for WKU's bowl snub, I would suggest one look no further than the WKU attendance numbers.

AD AState's AD sent a text to the director of a photo showing the thousands of AState fans on the parade route the year before.

Bowls are businesses...

and they have determined that, at this time, the WKU fan base is not a good investment with which to hitch their wagon.

WKU needs to build their football fan base and increase attendance, without the help of University of Kentucky fans at neutral sites, before they become a player in the football postseason on a regular basis. WKU is a young program, though. With a little luck and hard work, I believe they can do it.

Not even sure why I responding to this crap, but clearly you are here to rile up WKU fans and be a troll.....You barely have posted on this message board before, but now every post takes a shot at WKU.... You mad? Not rehashing the bowl mess last season its over, moved on but had nothing to do with the "tiny fan base" you claim WKU Has or would "invest" in..Simply Sun Belt got outworked in previous seasons with bowls and only had 2 spots while the MAC somehow had back up deals everywhere...Not enough spots for 75 teams, 5 teams left out and we were one of them..SO lay off on the shots at WKU fans, you clearly have no clue and the attendance at the UK game did not even count towards WKU season average which has gone up every season the last 5 seasons....UK fans have had nothing to do with WKU season attendance totals....Congrats to powerhouse Ark. St. football and your rich history of attendance and incredible fan base you have there....Good luck in future as we all strive to match Arkansas St's fan base and incredible investment you have with Mobile and their bowl game that you guys go to every season...

nah.... its not that I don't get it...I just stop reading, and more importantly, caring, about 40 posts ago, Im just having fun making smart ass remarks.

(06-03-2014 07:36 PM)moehler Wrote:  there is an FCS board where there is an indivional who will never, ever quit arguing with you, and trying to piss you off (alot of Georgia Southern fans know who Im talking about), he just keeps going, and going, and going, to the point where you just have to close down the topic or he will just about drive you crazy. Kinda get that feeling we are at that point now, this topic just needs to end, its going no place fast.

This is turning into the thread of the girl who broke up with you then gets mad because you don't keep her picture on your desk and unfriend her on Facebook.

(06-03-2014 09:51 PM)moehler Wrote:  nah.... its not that I don't get it...I just stop reading, and more importantly, caring, about 40 posts ago, Im just having fun making smart ass remarks.

We kind of knew where this one was going when it started with CUSA and SunBelt.....being on the same level.....but heck what do we do with the off season if you can not P off a few of your old girl friends (or boyfriends) when they leave you for someone else who they THINK IS BETTER but that guy or girl winds up working for you in the future.....CUSA is not who they were nor are we.....But I would rather be us then stuck in some go no where spread the heck out bunch of guys that think they have the biggest D on the play ground when really its just a sock they got out of their daddy's drawer.....I am just sayin...

Some SB fans reminds me of the Dave Chappelle Show and their "True Hollywood Stories" with Charlie Murphy. You know, that scene were Rick James gets his butt kicked yet keeps yelling "f$ck yo couch!!" Lol CUSA just cherry picked all the teams they wanted from the Sun Belt. Just recently negotiated their bowls and ended up in a much better position than the SB. Their current TV deal is worth literally 20X more than that of the SB. Yet you guys claim superiority? Makes no sense.

I cannot tell the future like some of you claim. Hence, I can only speak of the current state of both leagues.

Enjoy the next two years FIU, winter is coming even for people in Miami.