(06-03-2014 02:43 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  The SEC should try to have some events in Kansas City. Maybe a game in Arrowhead early in the year or MU could put some kind of invitational BB tournament on there. MU has lost a lot of exposure there since leaving the B12. It would help them to have some events there. Kansas City is still solidly B12 country because of it. The B12 still has it's BB tournament there every year to help maintain that presence.

Hell, what am I doing giving suggestions to our old rival .

STL is of course an easier sell for the SEC than KCMO. Whatever penetration Mizzou lost in that market seems tied to actually being a B12 member. I don't think a couple of SEC games at Arrowhead would really did. Restarting the KU/Mizzou game might do the trick, but of course there's still too much bad blood between the schools.

(06-03-2014 07:06 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 02:43 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  The SEC should try to have some events in Kansas City. Maybe a game in Arrowhead early in the year or MU could put some kind of invitational BB tournament on there. MU has lost a lot of exposure there since leaving the B12. It would help them to have some events there. Kansas City is still solidly B12 country because of it. The B12 still has it's BB tournament there every year to help maintain that presence.

Hell, what am I doing giving suggestions to our old rival .

STL is of course an easier sell for the SEC than KCMO. Whatever penetration Mizzou lost in that market seems tied to actually being a B12 member. I don't think a couple of SEC games at Arrowhead would really did. Restarting the KU/Mizzou game might do the trick, but of course there's still too much bad blood between the schools.

I do not think Missouri has lost any KC exposure. In the end, the KC metro area is mainly on the Missouri side of the state line. No one is going to throw away their flag ship school to follow the Big XII. KU fans will always follow KU, and Mizzou folks will follow Mizzou ...wherever they go. Additionally, I think the Big XII BB Tourney will wind up OKC or Dallas. They will not continue to provide the huge economic boost to a city not even located in the Big XII. That doesn't even make good business sense.

(06-03-2014 12:54 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 07:06 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 02:43 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  The SEC should try to have some events in Kansas City. Maybe a game in Arrowhead early in the year or MU could put some kind of invitational BB tournament on there. MU has lost a lot of exposure there since leaving the B12. It would help them to have some events there. Kansas City is still solidly B12 country because of it. The B12 still has it's BB tournament there every year to help maintain that presence.

Hell, what am I doing giving suggestions to our old rival .

STL is of course an easier sell for the SEC than KCMO. Whatever penetration Mizzou lost in that market seems tied to actually being a B12 member. I don't think a couple of SEC games at Arrowhead would really did. Restarting the KU/Mizzou game might do the trick, but of course there's still too much bad blood between the schools.

I do not think Missouri has lost any KC exposure. In the end, the KC metro area is mainly on the Missouri side of the state line. No one is going to throw away their flag ship school to follow the Big XII. KU fans will always follow KU, and Mizzou folks will follow Mizzou ...wherever they go. Additionally, I think the Big XII BB Tourney will wind up OKC or Dallas. They will not continue to provide the huge economic boost to a city not even located in the Big XII. That doesn't even make good business sense.

In direct terms, it is true that a great deal of revenue from the Big 12 tournament goes to the state of Missouri, which is no longer in the Big 12 footprint. However, the health of the overall Kansas City economy is of definite interest directly to KU and KSU. As for fan interest, Iowa State travels extremely well to the tournament when it's in KC, and it's still convenient enough to OU and OSU fans to make it work for them as well (although Dallas would be similar, and of course OKC would be preferable). Fan engagement for hoops seems higher in KC than in Dallas, and having the tournament in KC does help keep the Big 12 "flag" planted there in a conference with a limited number of significant markets.

Personally, since St. Louis would be much more convenient for SEC fans' travel I tend to think that they'd remain the only Missouri city to host the SEC tournament, although I second some of the thoughts above that it would be smart for MU to schedule an annual basketball game at the Sprint Center on their own like KU does. If there were more football games in a season I'd think an Arrowhead game would be smart, too, although I'm sure Columbia businesses wouldn't be keen on that. There are enough basketball games to go around to allow for one to be away from the true home base.

(06-04-2014 10:15 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 12:54 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 07:06 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 02:43 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  The SEC should try to have some events in Kansas City. Maybe a game in Arrowhead early in the year or MU could put some kind of invitational BB tournament on there. MU has lost a lot of exposure there since leaving the B12. It would help them to have some events there. Kansas City is still solidly B12 country because of it. The B12 still has it's BB tournament there every year to help maintain that presence.

Hell, what am I doing giving suggestions to our old rival .

STL is of course an easier sell for the SEC than KCMO. Whatever penetration Mizzou lost in that market seems tied to actually being a B12 member. I don't think a couple of SEC games at Arrowhead would really did. Restarting the KU/Mizzou game might do the trick, but of course there's still too much bad blood between the schools.

I do not think Missouri has lost any KC exposure. In the end, the KC metro area is mainly on the Missouri side of the state line. No one is going to throw away their flag ship school to follow the Big XII. KU fans will always follow KU, and Mizzou folks will follow Mizzou ...wherever they go. Additionally, I think the Big XII BB Tourney will wind up OKC or Dallas. They will not continue to provide the huge economic boost to a city not even located in the Big XII. That doesn't even make good business sense.

In direct terms, it is true that a great deal of revenue from the Big 12 tournament goes to the state of Missouri, which is no longer in the Big 12 footprint. However, the health of the overall Kansas City economy is of definite interest directly to KU and KSU. As for fan interest, Iowa State travels extremely well to the tournament when it's in KC, and it's still convenient enough to OU and OSU fans to make it work for them as well (although Dallas would be similar, and of course OKC would be preferable). Fan engagement for hoops seems higher in KC than in Dallas, and having the tournament in KC does help keep the Big 12 "flag" planted there in a conference with a limited number of significant markets.

Personally, since St. Louis would be much more convenient for SEC fans' travel I tend to think that they'd remain the only Missouri city to host the SEC tournament, although I second some of the thoughts above that it would be smart for MU to schedule an annual basketball game at the Sprint Center on their own like KU does. If there were more football games in a season I'd think an Arrowhead game would be smart, too, although I'm sure Columbia businesses wouldn't be keen on that. There are enough basketball games to go around to allow for one to be away from the true home base.

Great points BTP. I guess a lot of Kansas folks do work in the KC area. What do the rest of the Big XII schools think about KC as the site? Just curious, as it is kind of out of the way for the Texas schools. Not so much for the Okie schools.

(06-04-2014 11:51 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 10:15 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 12:54 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 07:06 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 02:43 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  The SEC should try to have some events in Kansas City. Maybe a game in Arrowhead early in the year or MU could put some kind of invitational BB tournament on there. MU has lost a lot of exposure there since leaving the B12. It would help them to have some events there. Kansas City is still solidly B12 country because of it. The B12 still has it's BB tournament there every year to help maintain that presence.

Hell, what am I doing giving suggestions to our old rival .

STL is of course an easier sell for the SEC than KCMO. Whatever penetration Mizzou lost in that market seems tied to actually being a B12 member. I don't think a couple of SEC games at Arrowhead would really did. Restarting the KU/Mizzou game might do the trick, but of course there's still too much bad blood between the schools.

I do not think Missouri has lost any KC exposure. In the end, the KC metro area is mainly on the Missouri side of the state line. No one is going to throw away their flag ship school to follow the Big XII. KU fans will always follow KU, and Mizzou folks will follow Mizzou ...wherever they go. Additionally, I think the Big XII BB Tourney will wind up OKC or Dallas. They will not continue to provide the huge economic boost to a city not even located in the Big XII. That doesn't even make good business sense.

In direct terms, it is true that a great deal of revenue from the Big 12 tournament goes to the state of Missouri, which is no longer in the Big 12 footprint. However, the health of the overall Kansas City economy is of definite interest directly to KU and KSU. As for fan interest, Iowa State travels extremely well to the tournament when it's in KC, and it's still convenient enough to OU and OSU fans to make it work for them as well (although Dallas would be similar, and of course OKC would be preferable). Fan engagement for hoops seems higher in KC than in Dallas, and having the tournament in KC does help keep the Big 12 "flag" planted there in a conference with a limited number of significant markets.

Personally, since St. Louis would be much more convenient for SEC fans' travel I tend to think that they'd remain the only Missouri city to host the SEC tournament, although I second some of the thoughts above that it would be smart for MU to schedule an annual basketball game at the Sprint Center on their own like KU does. If there were more football games in a season I'd think an Arrowhead game would be smart, too, although I'm sure Columbia businesses wouldn't be keen on that. There are enough basketball games to go around to allow for one to be away from the true home base.

Great points BTP. I guess a lot of Kansas folks do work in the KC area. What do the rest of the Big XII schools think about KC as the site? Just curious, as it is kind of out of the way for the Texas schools. Not so much for the Okie schools.

Medic, as you may recall (whether you were living in the area or not) the old Big 8/12 tournament did pretty well in KC. It certainly helped to have the immediate trifecta of KU, KSU, and MU, plus the nearby Iowa State contingent and even the half-dozen Nebraska basketball fans.

(Hell, I'm old enough to have once been a ballboy at the old Big 8 Holiday tournament, which was done around Christmas and which was a prelude to the conference season and was a time for all the schools to meet as well, with the tournament playing out full winners and losers brackets.) The Oklahoma schools aren't too far away, and even Colorado was (while a longer trip) a straight shot across I-70. Both tradition and geography worked very well back then.

I think that the Oklahoma fans are still used to this trip, and have done well supporting it. I remember getting to go a while back, and OSU in particular was well represented. As for the Texas schools, I don't think that you'd be surprised that there's just still not that much energy around basketball. Texas had some momentum going but had a few down years, and while Baylor has had some good recruits they've been up-and-down, Texas Tech couldn't sustain the slight momentum from the Knight years, and of course TCU needs a lot of work. I think that if the conference ever changed back to having a football championship game and it was primarily in TX (and I'd have to think that JerryWorld would have a significant edge as home base) few Texas fans would be too upset for the hoops tournament to usually be up here as long as football was usually down there.

There was actually a decent WVU contingent here last time out - of course, while they love their football they like their hoops a lot as well, and anywhere within our base footprint represents a significant trip for them in any case.

I think Kansas City still makes some sense for the Big 12. You want the tournament a) in area close to a lot of fanbases (especially the biggest fanbases) and b) in a place that will truly embrace it.

Loosing Missouri hurts, but Kansas City is still close to the schools with the biggest basketball fanbases (outside of Texas and West Virginia, but you the latter is far away no matter what). Oklahoma City would work too though.

Edit: For the SEC, I'm not sure Kansas City makes as much sense. St. Louis is on the outer layer of the conference, but Kansas City is truly close to no one except Missouri.

(06-04-2014 02:17 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I think Kansas City still makes some sense for the Big 12. You want the tournament a) in area close to a lot of fanbases (especially the biggest fanbases) and b) in a place that will truly embrace it.

Loosing Missouri hurts, but Kansas City is still close to the schools with the biggest basketball fanbases (outside of Texas and West Virginia, but you the latter is far away no matter what). Oklahoma City would work too though.

Edit: For the SEC, I'm not sure Kansas City makes as much sense. St. Louis is on the outer layer of the conference, but Kansas City is truly close to no one except Missouri.

All great comments here. I also feel that St Louis is the obvious choice for the SEC. It is 256 miles closer to the other SEC schools. I guess a real economic win-win for Missouri would be a venue in KC as well as St Louis.

SEC should have the tourney in Memphis, and think about adding University Of Memphis into the SEC.

(09-09-2014 08:51 PM)rc0213 Wrote:  SEC should have the tourney in Memphis, and think about adding University Of Memphis into the SEC.

What does the SEC get out of adding Memphis?

(09-10-2014 12:50 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 08:51 PM)rc0213 Wrote:  SEC should have the tourney in Memphis, and think about adding University Of Memphis into the SEC.

What does the SEC get out of adding Memphis?

The epicenter of the next New Madrid quake.

(09-10-2014 05:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 12:50 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 08:51 PM)rc0213 Wrote:  SEC should have the tourney in Memphis, and think about adding University Of Memphis into the SEC.

What does the SEC get out of adding Memphis?

The epicenter of the next New Madrid quake.

(09-10-2014 12:50 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 08:51 PM)rc0213 Wrote:  SEC should have the tourney in Memphis, and think about adding University Of Memphis into the SEC.

What does the SEC get out of adding Memphis?

SEC gets a great basketball program. Memphis' basketball program has consistently been in the NCAA Tourney since the 70's. The football program has a coach now that is bringing Memphis national respect. Memphis almost won against Top 20 UCLA this week. And, the team will only improve from there. Their racquetball, handball and other sports team always make national tourneys and capture titles.

Memphis has a football stadium for 60,000, was made for a NFL team, and still one of the better stadiums around. The FedEx Forum has the Memphis Grizzlies and the Tigers playing in it. It holds 18,000.

These facilities are worthy of SEC attention. Memphis will add to the TV market, it is just as big, if not bigger than most SEC teams. Memphis is the center of attention of SEC recruiters, which naturally means most players in Memphis either end up in the SEC or at Memphis. So, if they end up in Memphis, why not have Memphis in the SEC and be able to have more SEC presence in a talented HS area?

Memphis is not a place to overlook for the SEC. Tennessee, Ole Miss, Miss St., Alabama, Auburn and Arkansas are natural local rivalries if Memphis is part of SEC. Memphis fans travel all over to see Tigers play already. If Memphis plays in SEC towns, you will be guaranteed a lot of Tigers fan coming to town to spend money.

These are just a few things Memphis brings. Memphis and SEC are a relationship waiting to happen. It is one of those things where Memphis will never be a cellar team. If so, not for long. Fans of Memphis take sports very serious, so Memphis never is allowed to allow the programs to not improve. So, SEC would always be have a competitive team with Memphis.

(09-11-2014 12:30 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 05:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 12:50 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 08:51 PM)rc0213 Wrote:  SEC should have the tourney in Memphis, and think about adding University Of Memphis into the SEC.

What does the SEC get out of adding Memphis?

The epicenter of the next New Madrid quake.

LOL, nice! It is, also the epic center of basketball, and in the short future, football.