(05-15-2014 12:47 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 12:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  4 games per year in basketball on a rotating basis, with two of those each year at an SBC venue. In a 3 year period, every SBC team must be played.

In any event, the Sunbelt picks the schools, not UMass, but I'd still make it those Sunbelt schools who put their hand up.

And, yes, home and home doesn't have to be over two years ... if 10 schools want in, it could be over three-four years.

(05-15-2014 12:37 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 12:22 PM)Colonels12 Wrote:  What you guys think of SEMO being the 12th team? According to someone on Flame Fans it will be either Liberty or Southeast Missouri State.

SEMO?

Don't know nothing about SEMO, lessee ...
In Sagarin BBall, they are 218th, 2nd best in the OVC, itself 29th out of 32 Division 1 conferences.
In Sagarin FB, they are 200th, 8th place in the 9 team OVC, behind Eastern Illinois, Jax, Tennessee State, Tennessee-Martin, EKU, Murray State and Tennessee Tech.

For those who like to point to UMass's current low position in FBS football, in 2014 Sagarin ranked UMass seven spots ahead of SEMO.

Oh, wait, Wikipedia says that longer term, SEMO FB has had 3 winning seasons since they moved up to FCS (it was I-AA back then) in 1991. Whoever suggested, SEMO, man, they got a sense of humor.

Maybe they are still thinking Missouri State and not SEMO. Either way, I think it will be UMASS or no one this year. Probably no one.

I'm hoping for the two great American traditions, compromise and kick it down the road. Perhaps compromise with SBC, UMass, and NMSU.

Kick it all down the road for future teams and conference shake-ups.

(05-15-2014 12:47 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 12:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  4 games per year in basketball on a rotating basis, with two of those each year at an SBC venue. In a 3 year period, every SBC team must be played.

In any event, the Sunbelt picks the schools, not UMass, but I'd still make it those Sunbelt schools who put their hand up.

And, yes, home and home doesn't have to be over two years ... if 10 schools want in, it could be over three-four years.

(05-15-2014 12:37 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 12:22 PM)Colonels12 Wrote:  What you guys think of SEMO being the 12th team? According to someone on Flame Fans it will be either Liberty or Southeast Missouri State.

SEMO?

Don't know nothing about SEMO, lessee ...
In Sagarin BBall, they are 218th, 2nd best in the OVC, itself 29th out of 32 Division 1 conferences.
In Sagarin FB, they are 200th, 8th place in the 9 team OVC, behind Eastern Illinois, Jax, Tennessee State, Tennessee-Martin, EKU, Murray State and Tennessee Tech.

For those who like to point to UMass's current low position in FBS football, in 2014 Sagarin ranked UMass seven spots ahead of SEMO.

Oh, wait, Wikipedia says that longer term, SEMO FB has had 3 winning seasons since they moved up to FCS (it was I-AA back then) in 1991. Whoever suggested, SEMO, man, they got a sense of humor.

SEMO would be only one of two FBS teams in Missouri. SEMO football and Mo State football arent too far apart. SEMO would pull ahead in a hurry if FBS.

(05-15-2014 02:08 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  I'm hoping for the two great American traditions, compromise and kick it down the road. Perhaps compromise with SBC, UMass, and NMSU.

Kick it all down the road for future teams and conference shake-ups.

Compromise is very simple, if UMASS only wants to be a football member early, then best of luck as an Indy or in another conference. Your football brings no more greater value than another FCS program like Jacksonville State or SEMO.

(05-15-2014 02:19 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 02:08 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  I'm hoping for the two great American traditions, compromise and kick it down the road. Perhaps compromise with SBC, UMass, and NMSU.

Kick it all down the road for future teams and conference shake-ups.

Compromise is very simple, if UMASS only wants to be a football member early, then best of luck as an Indy or in another conference. Your football brings no more greater value than another FCS program like Jacksonville State or SEMO.

This is why I wished the vote was Thanksgiving time. You based that comment on our last two coaches, not or normal average. Just like Ark State we did have a bumpy beginning to FBS and were not prepared.

In fact it was publically stated when Coach Brown left, UMass was not looking to transition to FBS period. Then we had a change of Chancellors. We also share a bowl game in the Tangerine bowl way back and lost 13-14 to ECU.

It's natural to judge us on the immediate past, but we will surprise you with Whip's connections. We have Marshall's Blake Frohnapel quarterback with 2 years of eligibility. We will also have some speed. We need to recruit some big linemen and just received a verbal on the defense side.

Getting reunited in BB would be good. Hopefully a vote can be swayed.

(05-15-2014 02:19 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 02:08 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  I'm hoping for the two great American traditions, compromise and kick it down the road. Perhaps compromise with SBC, UMass, and NMSU.

Kick it all down the road for future teams and conference shake-ups.

Compromise is very simple, if UMASS only wants to be a football member early, then best of luck as an Indy or in another conference. Your football brings no more greater value than another FCS program like Jacksonville State or SEMO.

Love it!!!!

(05-15-2014 02:51 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 02:19 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 02:08 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  I'm hoping for the two great American traditions, compromise and kick it down the road. Perhaps compromise with SBC, UMass, and NMSU.

Kick it all down the road for future teams and conference shake-ups.

Compromise is very simple, if UMASS only wants to be a football member early, then best of luck as an Indy or in another conference. Your football brings no more greater value than another FCS program like Jacksonville State or SEMO.

This is why I wished the vote was Thanksgiving time. You based that comment on our last two coaches, not or normal average. Just like Ark State we did have a bumpy beginning to FBS and were not prepared.

In fact it was publically stated when Coach Brown left, UMass was not looking to transition to FBS period. Then we had a change of Chancellors. We also share a bowl game in the Tangerine bowl way back and lost 13-14 to ECU.

It's natural to judge us on the immediate past, but we will surprise you with Whip's connections. We have Marshall's Blake Frohnapel quarterback with 2 years of eligibility. We will also have some speed. We need to recruit some big linemen and just received a verbal on the defense side.

Getting reunited in BB would be good. Hopefully a vote can be swayed.

I made that statement based upon the value that your football currently brings to the conference today. At this time it brings nothing other than becoming the 12th football program in the conference and helping Benson achieve his goal of creating a championship game.

Here is the problem, as we stand today we are dividing the revenue pie by 11 programs. Adding UMass now changes that dynamic to 12 programs, adding a program that has yet to attend a bowl. And it would be creating a Sun Belt Championship game that has no corporate sponsor lined up. So adding Umass to the football lineup in the Sun Belt Conference will cost us money at this point.

Now, should UMass be willing to bring MBB and WBB to the Sun Belt then there is potential for more revenue from a very good program and eases the pain of adding UMass football right now. That is your compromise. I see no need in helping Umass find an FBS resting place to grow your football program without reaping some of the benefits of your basketball programs in return.

CrazyCajun, understand your point of view. Here is a small point and this makes the assumption you want NMSU to be all sports. You are gaining an all sports member you want in exchange for a Football-only program that you control.

UMass will have value in 2015. Think we could be middle of the pack team, which would not be taking a bowl game away from anybody. We need to prove it again but, we will bring a top 50 BB or whatever team to your home arena.

My aunt is a Cajun and now lives in Shreveport. If we get in it would be nice to meet several people from this board. If your gut tells you we will bring no more value than a mediocre FCS team, I have to accept that, it's your point of view.

Take care.

I just don't see how other people will take us seriously when we don't take ourselves seriously.The days SHOULD BE OVER when we allow schools to be partially committed to our conference.

No more Football only,no more Olympic only.

Take nobody now then take Liberty and Missouri State in a few years.

(05-15-2014 03:24 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 02:51 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 02:19 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 02:08 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  I'm hoping for the two great American traditions, compromise and kick it down the road. Perhaps compromise with SBC, UMass, and NMSU.

Kick it all down the road for future teams and conference shake-ups.

Compromise is very simple, if UMASS only wants to be a football member early, then best of luck as an Indy or in another conference. Your football brings no more greater value than another FCS program like Jacksonville State or SEMO.

This is why I wished the vote was Thanksgiving time. You based that comment on our last two coaches, not or normal average. Just like Ark State we did have a bumpy beginning to FBS and were not prepared.

In fact it was publically stated when Coach Brown left, UMass was not looking to transition to FBS period. Then we had a change of Chancellors. We also share a bowl game in the Tangerine bowl way back and lost 13-14 to ECU.

It's natural to judge us on the immediate past, but we will surprise you with Whip's connections. We have Marshall's Blake Frohnapel quarterback with 2 years of eligibility. We will also have some speed. We need to recruit some big linemen and just received a verbal on the defense side.

Getting reunited in BB would be good. Hopefully a vote can be swayed.

I made that statement based upon the value that your football currently brings to the conference today. At this time it brings nothing other than becoming the 12th football program in the conference and helping Benson achieve his goal of creating a championship game.

Here is the problem, as we stand today we are dividing the revenue pie by 11 programs. Adding UMass now changes that dynamic to 12 programs, adding a program that has yet to attend a bowl. And it would be creating a Sun Belt Championship game that has no corporate sponsor lined up. So adding Umass to the football lineup in the Sun Belt Conference will cost us money at this point.

Now, should UMass be willing to bring MBB and WBB to the Sun Belt then there is potential for more revenue from a very good program and eases the pain of adding UMass football right now. That is your compromise. I see no need in helping Umass find an FBS resting place to grow your football program without reaping some of the benefits of your basketball programs in return.

+1 CrazyCajun.

What UMASS fans need to understand is that Football drives the bus. Not basketball or any other sport. In the southern football fans mind all sports should be in the same conference as your football team period. The only reason a sport should be in another conference is because your home conference does not offer that sport. When UMASS made there decision not to join the MAC in all sports they showed that football is not important to them. In the South football is King. Football drives the Bus.

Now UMASS you can take your fooball team an try and make a go of it as a Indy or just drop back down to FCS either way the Sun Belt does not owe you a handout for making the decision to take your football team out of the MAC which is what your school has done.


For UMASS Football does not drive the Bus so therefor UMASS is not a good fit for the Sun Belt.

(05-15-2014 03:53 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 03:24 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 02:51 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 02:19 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 02:08 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  I'm hoping for the two great American traditions, compromise and kick it down the road. Perhaps compromise with SBC, UMass, and NMSU.

Kick it all down the road for future teams and conference shake-ups.

Compromise is very simple, if UMASS only wants to be a football member early, then best of luck as an Indy or in another conference. Your football brings no more greater value than another FCS program like Jacksonville State or SEMO.

This is why I wished the vote was Thanksgiving time. You based that comment on our last two coaches, not or normal average. Just like Ark State we did have a bumpy beginning to FBS and were not prepared.

In fact it was publically stated when Coach Brown left, UMass was not looking to transition to FBS period. Then we had a change of Chancellors. We also share a bowl game in the Tangerine bowl way back and lost 13-14 to ECU.

It's natural to judge us on the immediate past, but we will surprise you with Whip's connections. We have Marshall's Blake Frohnapel quarterback with 2 years of eligibility. We will also have some speed. We need to recruit some big linemen and just received a verbal on the defense side.

Getting reunited in BB would be good. Hopefully a vote can be swayed.

I made that statement based upon the value that your football currently brings to the conference today. At this time it brings nothing other than becoming the 12th football program in the conference and helping Benson achieve his goal of creating a championship game.

Here is the problem, as we stand today we are dividing the revenue pie by 11 programs. Adding UMass now changes that dynamic to 12 programs, adding a program that has yet to attend a bowl. And it would be creating a Sun Belt Championship game that has no corporate sponsor lined up. So adding Umass to the football lineup in the Sun Belt Conference will cost us money at this point.

Now, should UMass be willing to bring MBB and WBB to the Sun Belt then there is potential for more revenue from a very good program and eases the pain of adding UMass football right now. That is your compromise. I see no need in helping Umass find an FBS resting place to grow your football program without reaping some of the benefits of your basketball programs in return.

+1 CrazyCajun.

What UMASS fans need to understand is that Football drives the bus. Not basketball or any other sport. In the southern football fans mind all sports should be in the same conference as your football team period. The only reason a sport should be in another conference is because your home conference does not offer that sport. When UMASS made there decision not to join the MAC in all sports they showed how they showed that football is not important to them.

Now UMASS you can take your fooball team an try and make a go of it as a Indy or just drop back down to FCS either way the Sun Belt does not owe you a handout for making the decision to take your football team out of the MAC which is what your school has done.

We are founding members of the A10 conference, which does not have Football. You may muse over this old thread from 2008.

A10 Football: : Coming Soon to a Stadium Near You!

(05-15-2014 02:17 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  SEMO would be only one of two FBS teams in Missouri. SEMO football and Mo State football arent too far apart. SEMO would pull ahead in a hurry if FBS.

MoSt is the only Missouri school worth mentioning.

If we are really down to mentioning SEMO I would prefer trying to bribe someone in Carbondale or Murray first.

(05-14-2014 11:29 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:27 AM)knucklehead Wrote:  So the vote will come down to Liberty or UMass. All this does is confirm that there is another school to bring up to vote alongside Liberty. I still believe there will be more opposition to UMass being on the moon, but who knows at this point.

I thought the SBC commish already said it would be an FBS school that they take. Doesn't that rule Liberty out?

Yes it does.

(05-15-2014 04:02 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 03:53 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 03:24 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 02:51 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 02:19 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  Compromise is very simple, if UMASS only wants to be a football member early, then best of luck as an Indy or in another conference. Your football brings no more greater value than another FCS program like Jacksonville State or SEMO.

This is why I wished the vote was Thanksgiving time. You based that comment on our last two coaches, not or normal average. Just like Ark State we did have a bumpy beginning to FBS and were not prepared.

In fact it was publically stated when Coach Brown left, UMass was not looking to transition to FBS period. Then we had a change of Chancellors. We also share a bowl game in the Tangerine bowl way back and lost 13-14 to ECU.

It's natural to judge us on the immediate past, but we will surprise you with Whip's connections. We have Marshall's Blake Frohnapel quarterback with 2 years of eligibility. We will also have some speed. We need to recruit some big linemen and just received a verbal on the defense side.

Getting reunited in BB would be good. Hopefully a vote can be swayed.

I made that statement based upon the value that your football currently brings to the conference today. At this time it brings nothing other than becoming the 12th football program in the conference and helping Benson achieve his goal of creating a championship game.

Here is the problem, as we stand today we are dividing the revenue pie by 11 programs. Adding UMass now changes that dynamic to 12 programs, adding a program that has yet to attend a bowl. And it would be creating a Sun Belt Championship game that has no corporate sponsor lined up. So adding Umass to the football lineup in the Sun Belt Conference will cost us money at this point.

Now, should UMass be willing to bring MBB and WBB to the Sun Belt then there is potential for more revenue from a very good program and eases the pain of adding UMass football right now. That is your compromise. I see no need in helping Umass find an FBS resting place to grow your football program without reaping some of the benefits of your basketball programs in return.

+1 CrazyCajun.

What UMASS fans need to understand is that Football drives the bus. Not basketball or any other sport. In the southern football fans mind all sports should be in the same conference as your football team period. The only reason a sport should be in another conference is because your home conference does not offer that sport. When UMASS made there decision not to join the MAC in all sports they showed how they showed that football is not important to them.

Now UMASS you can take your fooball team an try and make a go of it as a Indy or just drop back down to FCS either way the Sun Belt does not owe you a handout for making the decision to take your football team out of the MAC which is what your school has done.

We are founding members of the A10 conference, which does not have Football. You may muse over this old thread from 2008.

A10 Football: : Coming Soon to a Stadium Near You!

Just proves my point a founding member of a basketball conference. Just move your football team to the A-10 since you only want to pretend that football is important to UMASS. UMASS is nothing like Idaho or NMSU who had they been in the same position as ya'll would have joined the MAC in all sports in a heart beat.

(05-15-2014 04:13 PM)southernwolf Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:29 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:27 AM)knucklehead Wrote:  So the vote will come down to Liberty or UMass. All this does is confirm that there is another school to bring up to vote alongside Liberty. I still believe there will be more opposition to UMass being on the moon, but who knows at this point.

I thought the SBC commish already said it would be an FBS school that they take. Doesn't that rule Liberty out?

Yes it does.

it was not commish benson who said that it was EKU president benson who said that

ValleyBoy, never thought we'd go FBS. It has altered my perspective and spend more time on Football Forums than I ever did on Basketball.

The unofficial word is MAC 2016 and then Independent. You'd rather all sports and I'd rather not be a lame duck in the MAC. Even thou there is more money and exposure for that last year.

On page 3 there are links to the 1.2 million on field turf 2006, which is being replaced this year.
The 1.8 Mill on HD lighting. We also spent 36.5 million, which is a lot of money to pretend.
The practice bubble heard as low as 1.2 million to probably 2 million. Think end zone seating is around 15 million for another of 8k seating. (I'm speculating on the cost and actual number of seats, but think it is somewhat in the ball park.) Think 25k would be acceptable to the Sun Belt.

Think about it, for UMass to fire Charlie Molnar with 3 years left in his contract, everybody is committed to FBS Football. That's the Chancellor, President, Board of Directors, and AD.

To bad they don't tape the Sun Belt meeting and we could all watch it on youtube. (-:

(05-15-2014 04:16 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Just proves my point a founding member of a basketball conference. Just move your football team to the A-10 since you only want to pretend that football is important to UMASS. UMASS is nothing like Idaho or NMSU who had they been in the same position as ya'll would have joined the MAC in all sports in a heart beat.

Point is kind of dis-proven when you take into account NMSU not being allowed as an all sports addition. If it were so important to have all sports in the same conference, we would have just taken them in the first place.

(05-15-2014 04:07 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 02:17 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  SEMO would be only one of two FBS teams in Missouri. SEMO football and Mo State football arent too far apart. SEMO would pull ahead in a hurry if FBS.

MoSt is the only Missouri school worth mentioning.

If we are really down to mentioning SEMO I would prefer trying to bribe someone in Carbondale or Murray first.

Murray State's stadium is a bit small at 16,800, but that is passable at the FBS level if it stays at or near capacity. Their basketball is a proven commodity. In terms of coverage, Murray is not UK or UofL, but they do get respectable press throughout the state, even in the Lexington market.

Personally if the SBC wants SIU, I say try to land SIU, Missouri State, and Murray State as a group. This rips the heart out of the Missouri Valley Conference, and probably makes it possible to pick up Wichita State as the 15th member, and then making NMSU a full member would be the 16th member in basketball.

West - WSU, Texas State, UTA, NMSU
North - Ark St, Murray St, Missoui St, SIU
South - USA, Louisiana, ULM, UALR
East - Troy, Georgia So, Georgia St, App St

(05-15-2014 04:07 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 02:17 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  SEMO would be only one of two FBS teams in Missouri. SEMO football and Mo State football arent too far apart. SEMO would pull ahead in a hurry if FBS.

MoSt is the only Missouri school worth mentioning.

If we are really down to mentioning SEMO I would prefer trying to bribe someone in Carbondale or Murray first.

Sludge at the bottom of the barrel

(05-14-2014 08:32 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  For what its worth, from talking to who I know...There is nothing imminent with UMass, and its entirely likely they will never be invited at all. What did happen this week is UMass made their final pitch to the SBC before the Spring Meetings about why they should be considered for SBC Membership.

This is no different than Liberty's president jumping on a plane and flying to Monroe, Statesboro, Little Rock, and Jonesboro like he did a couple weeks ago. They both badly want spots and are both doing whatever they can to get that spot.

In fact, Reading between the lines, I don't think any of these national writers actually expect the SBC to invite UMass.

That is my sense of the situation too.

Keep in mind, UMass to the SBC for 2015 is on a completely different schedule than the FCS schools.

The year's notice mark for UMass is July 1st. Truthfully the SBC could wait until the winter meetings to announce UMass for 2015 season with only 9-10 months of advance notice.

Leaving with 2 years notice UMass owes nothing to the MAC. With 1 full year its 250,000. Without a year's notice its 500,000. If UMass can't persuade the SBC by July 1st it will cost them an extra 250k in the winter time. That is the thinking they are looking at here.